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ScreamingVegan

PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 5:01 pm


I don't know about you, but I'm so sick of having the same argument OVER and OVER and OVER again with meaties. They always say: "Well we're meant to eat meat! it's how we evolved!"

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It pisses me off so much. Humans were NOT meant to eat meat, for several reasons.

1. Our teeth. Just because we have like 4 slightly sharp teeth does NOT mean those teeth are for tearing flesh. Our "canines" aren't true canines, they're actually referred to as "semi-canines." If any meatie tries to claim our teeth are for tearing flesh, tell them to try and bite into a dead cow and see how far they get.

2. Along the same line as the teeth thing: our fingers. Notice anything? We don't have claws! So we can't bite into a dead animal, and we can't claw it open either! We have to make tools to do this for us, and we might as well be using our tools to harvest veggies and fruit like our bodies are meant to!

3. Yes, our bodies are meant to eat fruits and veggies. We have a LONG digestive tract, like other herbivores, whereas carnivores have a short digestive tract to get the meat out of their system quicker. Guess what meat does in the human body? ROTS. It sits and rots in your digestive tract because it takes sooooo long to be broken down. Why, because our bodies weren't meant to!

4. Another thing I realized, how come humans are the only animals who have to COOK meat before they eat it, otherwise we'll get sick? Think about that. You can't just bite into a dead animal and eat it, you have to use fire to cook it so it can be eaten. Tell me this doesn't say that humans aren't meant to be eating meat!

5. And last, obviously we aren't exactly able to chase down a deer to kill it, now are we? Again, we had to develop weapons and whatnot to catch animals because our bodies aren't able to do it by themselves.

It's just so obvious. Just because we HAVE developed ways to kill, open up, and eat animals HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING WHAT WE WERE "MEANT" TO DO! I wish people would realize this.

They way are bodies are made should those of peaceful, creative animals who can harvest and build things, not destroy.

Eating meat has made humans blood-thirsty monsters, even turning on eachother. If people didn't kill animals, you can be sure they wouldn't have started killing eachother, either. At least that is my opinion.

Just because we evolved eating meat doesn't mean our bodies ever caught up. It's proven to be unhealthy a thousand times over, and I can only hope more and more people continue to realize this.

Tell me what you think.
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:29 am


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Soymilk_Gun

PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:44 am


humans are fruitivorous (eating mainly fruit) just like our ancestors

our jaw is like that of other herbivours and not hinged for tearing flesh

the acidity of our saliva and the strength of our stomach acid bear out the we are plant eaters


if you really beleive in creationism the diet in the garden of eden was vegan (Gen 1:29 God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.)
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:08 am


Soymilk_Gun
humans are fruitivorous (eating mainly fruit) just like our ancestors

our jaw is like that of other herbivours and not hinged for tearing flesh

the acidity of our saliva and the strength of our stomach acid bear out the we are plant eaters


if you really beleive in creationism the diet in the garden of eden was vegan (Gen 1:29 God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.)


yeah, i definately agree with that. even though I'm an atheist, I've read the bible through and through and I'm convinced that if it was all true, "god" meant for humans to be vegans most definately.

it's so funny because most christians (not trying to stereotype here, its just my experience) think it's like blasphemy not to eat meat. it's crazy.

thanks for the extra facts!

ScreamingVegan


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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:24 am


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Tell me what you think.


I think you need to stop being so judgemental and stop making assumptions.

ScreamingVegan
I don't know about you, but I'm so sick of having the same argument OVER and OVER and OVER again with meaties. They always say: "Well we're meant to eat meat! it's how we evolved!"


First of all, by saying we were "meant" to do anything is like saying that our evolution was predetermined. I don't think humans were "meant" to do anything. But that IS how we evolved. Eating meat, as well as plants. if you have proof that states that our ancestors were all vegetarian, please, feel free to actually provide it.

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1. Our teeth. Just because we have like 4 slightly sharp teeth does NOT mean those teeth are for tearing flesh. Our "canines" aren't true canines, they're actually referred to as "semi-canines." If any meatie tries to claim our teeth are for tearing flesh, tell them to try and bite into a dead cow and see how far they get.


Yet people are capable of eating meat with their teeth. They can still chew it. Again, I'm not saying we were "meant" to do anything, I'm just saying that we're perfectly capable of chewing meat.

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2. Along the same line as the teeth thing: our fingers. Notice anything? We don't have claws! So we can't bite into a dead animal, and we can't claw it open either! We have to make tools to do this for us, and we might as well be using our tools to harvest veggies and fruit like our bodies are meant to!


We don't have the biological weapons (claws), yet we developed a way of thinking that led us to compensate. I'm not saying we're smarter than animals, I'm saying in some ways, we think differently. We trade our claws for a thought process.

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3. Yes, our bodies are meant to eat fruits and veggies. We have a LONG digestive tract, like other herbivores, whereas carnivores have a short digestive tract to get the meat out of their system quicker. Guess what meat does in the human body? ROTS. It sits and rots in your digestive tract because it takes sooooo long to be broken down. Why, because our bodies weren't meant to!

I have no knowledge of how fast various materials digest. Since you're making some pretty wild claims, backing them up would be nice. Because I'm not going to take your word just because you insist "we were meant to!1"

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4. Another thing I realized, how come humans are the only animals who have to COOK meat before they eat it, otherwise we'll get sick? Think about that. You can't just bite into a dead animal and eat it, you have to use fire to cook it so it can be eaten. Tell me this doesn't say that humans aren't meant to be eating meat!


I read something about this, actually. Not all cultures cook(ed) meat. The Inuit people used to eat raw meat all the time. Sushi, anyone? I don't doubt that there are others. You won't necessarily get sick from raw meat; we've discovered with science that there's a good chance of it.

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5. And last, obviously we aren't exactly able to chase down a deer to kill it, now are we? Again, we had to develop weapons and whatnot to catch animals because our bodies aren't able to do it by themselves.
You already used this argument. See my response to #2.

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It's just so obvious. Just because we HAVE developed ways to kill, open up, and eat animals HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING WHAT WE WERE "MEANT" TO DO! I wish people would realize this.

It would be more obvious if you actually used facts to back it up.

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They way are bodies are made should those of peaceful, creative animals who can harvest and build things, not destroy.
We do harvest and build things. All the time.

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Eating meat has made humans blood-thirsty monsters, even turning on eachother. If people didn't kill animals, you can be sure they wouldn't have started killing eachother, either. At least that is my opinion.
I disagree completely. Animals sometimes kill other animals. We are animals. I'm not saying I endorse farming animals for the table, though.

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Just because we evolved eating meat doesn't mean our bodies ever caught up. It's proven to be unhealthy a thousand times over, and I can only hope more and more people continue to realize this.

You know what I wish people would realize? That THEIR way is not always best for everyone. Not everyone who eats meat is unhealthy. Not everyone who is veg is healthy. It's not as clear and concise as you make it out to be.
Not everyone shares your beliefs, and you need to respect that. Shoving this "meant to" stuff at us is annoying, no matter what side it's coming from, be it veg or non-veg.
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:45 am


I think it's pretty widely accepted by anthropologists and biologists that our early human ancestors ate bone marrow from scavenged carcasses and ate insects and mollusks. Homo sapien sapien (our current species) seems to have eaten hunted meat prior to domestication of animals for food.

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:49 pm


totaly agreed, i read pretty much the same thing...well almost the same thing in other places. those "canine" teeth are actually there to help tear off peices of non-meat items.
PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:59 pm


Henbane
So yes biologically we ARE herbavores but like many other hominids we tend to bend the rules. gonk


Actually, what those quotations indicated is that our ancestors became adapted for eating meat after the australopithecines; the australopithecines ate insects and after them more meat was added to the hominid diet. Thus the phrasing that they "were not preadapted for eating meat" and that their diet was "unlike those of...living hominoids."

But I really don't even know if this is that valuable to the discussion, since they're talking about humanoids on the order of Lucy - they're our earliest known ancestors, and humanoids have changed substantially in the intervening millions of years. Australopithecines aren't even the same genus we are.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:33 am


what it really comes down to is animal products are absolutly not needed for survival so regardless of what early humans ate a vegan diet is possible and healthy
PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:35 am


Soymilk_Gun
what it really comes down to is animal products are absolutly not needed for survival so regardless of what early humans ate a vegan diet is possible and healthy


I don't think anybody's arguing against that, but that's a far cry from saying we aren't "meant" or "designed" to eat meat.


AFAIC, people can take whatever position they want...I just hate to see historical, anthropological, or scientific knowledge skewed (consciously or unconsciously) in order to promote an ideology.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:02 am


I could be wrong, but I interpreted his statement as saying it's possible from a biological perspective, and not to mean that every single person has the capacity to switch to veganism. whee
PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 2:33 pm


Tahpenes
I could be wrong, but I interpreted his statement as saying it's possible from a biological perspective, and not to mean that every single person has the capacity to switch to veganism. whee

Yes, you're right, I think I read that wrong. I'll edit it. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 2:44 pm


ScreamingVegan

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4. Another thing I realized, how come humans are the only animals who have to COOK meat before they eat it, otherwise we'll get sick? Think about that. You can't just bite into a dead animal and eat it, you have to use fire to cook it so it can be eaten. Tell me this doesn't say that humans aren't meant to be eating meat!


Point: We used to be able to digest raw meat. Humans have become so used to sterilizations that we are no longer hearty enough to deal with the bacteria and viruses that meat can contain. But if it is treated in a sterile manor, we can consume raw beef and fish.

ScreamingVegan

5. And last, obviously we aren't exactly able to chase down a deer to kill it, now are we? Again, we had to develop weapons and whatnot to catch animals because our bodies aren't able to do it by themselves.

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Actually, even in the state we are now, without weapons or traps, a human could kill and rip open the flesh of almost any rodent or bird. And the appendix used to be used for storing bits of un-digestable things consumed (rock, dirt, fur and feather). So, yeah, a human could hunt and kill like a feral animal if it had/wanted to.

As far as larger animals, humans were designed to be scavengers, similar to hyenas. Its not too hard in the wilderness to find a half-eaten carcas. And, again, we would be able to digest and survie through the various bacteria on raw meat if we weren't so used to sterilization.
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