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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:31 pm
I'm sure some of you have read this, but i came across this again, and it just made my love and appreciation of all Sakuraba has done, grow somehow. (wow that sounded gay).
Before I start, I want to publicly apologize for last week's column. I didn't say anything offensive, or anything in that vein, but I just felt it was a horribly written piece and cringe, yes CRINGE, every time I re-read it. Save this too, because it's very rare that writers will actually admit that something they wrote sucked. But what I wrote was HORRIBLE and I should have put forth a better effort. The readers at wrestlingobserver.com, as well as Dave, Bryan, and everyone who works here, are the best wrestling and MMA fans in the world. Sorry. I also want to encourage everyone to Email me with comments about anything I've written, and to specifically ask everyone is there's anything they'd like to see me write about. I know that as a fan, when I visit other websites for non-wrestling related information, I sometimes think, "Why doesn't anything ever write about this?" So, if there's anything you'd like to see tackled, I'd love to hear about it. Now then, on to business.
After years of complete dominance over the Mixed Martial Arts world, Kazushi "Saku" Sakuraba has been in a bit of a downfall, to understate it. Newer fans may be watching him for the first time and, after hearing all the hype from people like me, find themselves saying, "What's the big deal? This guy keeps on losing." And long time fans, who jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, which isn't anything new as it's a phenomenon that one can track across all sports, not just MMA, now like to say that Saku was over rated. Not only is Sakuraba not over rated, simple put, he's the greatest fighter in the history of MMA. And not just the greatest fighter by a little bit, but by such a wide margin that his skill level may never actually be met by another competitor for generations, if ever.
In order to explain why I've made what appears to be such a definitive statement, which I do not make lightly and fully comprehend the weight said assertion carries, one must understand and take into account a very widespread concept in MMA: weight cutting. Those who have competed in boxing or wrestling will in all likely-hood understand just what those two little words mean. However, most people don't really know just how important a factor this practice is, and how much it can effect the outcome of a fight.
There are those who feel that, "Size doesn't matter." In short, these people believe that the best skilled fighter will win out, and as a result MMA does not need weight classes. Yet the fact that there are weight classes is an indication that those within the MMA community, from the promoters to the athletic commissions, realize that weight does matter. In August of 2002, the best heavyweight fighter in the world, Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera fought Bob "The Beast" Sapp. Sapp had previously fought in exactly two MMA fights, while Noguiera was the Pride Heavyweight champion, a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt, and had 19 fights in his career. Bob Sapp, the very definition of a novice, quite literally almost killed Noguiera during that match, and gave Rodrigo all he could handle for almost 12:00. The reason Sapp was able to do this? Size. Anyone who says that size doesn't matter in MMA is quite honestly ignorant of the realities of fighting. If a man who had trained less than a year, and who had 2 prior fights, can almost beat the #1 fighter in the world, then size matters. In MMA, there are weight classes every, roughly, 15 pounds. In pro boxing, there are weight classes every SIX pounds! In fact, in boxing, if a man moves from 120 to 126, experts often wonder if he can handle the added weight. They wonder if a boxer can handle SIX extra pounds. SIX!!!
Now then, back to weight cutting and just how it proves Saku's skill. For starters, one has to ignore the Sakuraba that currently exists. He's a shell of his former self, though even then still dangerous, and has been plagued with injuries. He has added considerable weight, though it mostly appears to be fat, as opposed to muscle. To get a picture of Sakuraba's true weight, one has to look at Saku in his prime. Sherdog.com officially lists Saku at 183 lbs, and that's what his weight was, in general, reported to be for his fights with Royce Gracie, Vitor Belfort, and all the rest. In the regular, non "combat sports", world 183 lbs is a big person. In MMA, that's incredibly small. I can best illustrate how small this is by comparing him to B.J. Penn. Penn is universally considered a top 5, and by most accounts #1, lightweight MMArtist. Lightweight means 155 lbs and below. Of the major shows, that is the smallest a competitor can fight at. (In the Shooto organization, I believe they go as low as 145 lbs.) B.J. Penn is reported to walk around at 182 lbs. Yes, the number one LW fighter in the world weighs one pound less than Kazushi Sakuraba. Give that a moments thought: if Sakuraba properly cut weight, and being a former college wrestling star, there's no doubt he could, like roughly 85% of today's MMArtists do, Saku would be a lightweight. Also, keep in mind that at 183 lbs, Saku's body was still far from "ripped". In fact, at that weight, he still had enough fat on him that he had no visible abs.
Kazushi Sakuraba is a lightweight. With that in mind, when one now takes a look at who Saku has defeated, it's not just incredible, it's basically impossible. Impossible except for the fact that Saku did it. Currently, Saku holds victories over TWO top 10 Light HeavyWeight fighters, one former UFC HEAVYWEIGHT champion, a former UFC Welterweight champion (one weight class above LW), and four members of the legendary Gracie family. His only losses, except for the very weird fluke loss to Nino Schembri, are against either the number 2 (or one in some circles) LHW, and current Pride MW (just another term for LHW) champion Wanderlei Silva. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (the twin brother of the Pride HW champion) who is a top 10 LHW. The man who was universally recognized as a top 5 HW and who just challenged for the HW title, Mirko CroCop, or the man who was THE #1 HW in the world, Igor Vovchanchyn, and that was a fight during which Saku was clearly winning for the first 10 minutes, before he finally lost all his energy (which was the result of having fought for 90 minutes earlier in the night). What is truly scary is that by most accounts, Saku was competitive with "Lil Nog", was firmly in control of CroCop until suffering an unfortunate eye injury, and actually had Silva in a choke during the 2nd fight. In fact, probably the only reason Silva was able to escape the choke was because he had such a weight advantage over Saku.
Sakuraba has fought and beat people who realistically outweigh him by anywhere from 30-50 pounds and has beaten most of them, or was at least very competitive against them. To truly put how amazing Sakuraba is into clear focus, consider this: when he is slated to fight people who are a weight class above him, he is somewhat expected to "find a way to win". If B.J. Penn was scheduled to face Randy Couture, there is not a single person on the planet who would give Penn a chance. In fact, in less than a month, at UFC 46, Penn will be moving up ONE weight class, and most are expecting that to be to great of a jump.
Kazushi Sakuraba is a man who could realistically fight at 155 lbs, but who has fought and beaten some of the best in the world at 205 pounds, and who almost beat some of the best in the world at around 225 lbs. And not only beat people 50+ lbs bigger, but beat the most skilled people on earth at those higher weights. There will never be a man whose skill level is so great that he could routinely negate 50+ pounds. In the history of mixed martial arts, there is Kazushi Sakuraba, and then there is everyone else.
Truely, There is Sakuraba, and then there is everyone else.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:40 pm
...but how do you explain being beaten 3 times by one person? I mean weight advantage or not, I would think by the 3rd match you'd learn to deal with the agressiveness of Silva.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:45 pm
You realize, that the 2nd time was a fluke, the 3rd time was more of him just making a mistake getting hit on the button. Plus come on, with all of his injuries? Oh and if you ask about the Schembri match, he lost because there was a headbutt, and he didn't even complain. Also you have to take into consideration how sakuraba trains. He doesn't really weight train, now look at silva and you tell me the same thing. Most of Sakuraba's strength comes from Sparring. I doubt you can say the same of Silva. Anyway, Sakuraba was out of his prime after the 2nd he just had too many injuries. In the first fight he had the flu! So the first and 2nd fight were kinda unfair. The 2nd not really being unfair, but just being really unlucky. I mean if silva hadn't slammed and broken saku's arm (Which he still used amazingly) silva would have been choked out.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:57 pm
Mirko_Filipovic You realize, that the 2nd time was a fluke, the 3rd time was more of him just making a mistake getting hit on the button. Plus come on, with all of his injuries? Oh and if you ask about the Schembri match, he lost because there was a headbutt, and he didn't even complain. Also you have to take into consideration how sakuraba trains. He doesn't really weight train, now look at silva and you tell me the same thing. Most of Sakuraba's strength comes from Sparring. I doubt you can say the same of Silva. Anyway, Sakuraba was out of his prime after the first silva fight. IN WHICH HE HAD THE FLU! So the first and 2nd fight were kinda unfair. The 2nd not really being unfair, but just being really unlucky. I mean if silva hadn't slammed and broken saku's arm (Which he still used amazingly) silva would have been choked out. I dunno man....I just think Silva has a different mentality than most fighters. While the rest are there to win, he's there to rip heads off. How does Silva lack sparring strength exactly? Don't get me wrong, though, Saku is the man...I just think Silva is too agressive for most fighters. Hell, even Royce was trying to avoid answering Steven Quadros' question on whether or not he'd like to fight him. Plus, there's too many woulda, shoulda, coulda's in the 3 matches between sak and wanderlei. Sak had the flu, then he shouldn't have fought. Sak was almost choking him out but got slammed, he probably shoulda pulled guard and locked it in better. And match three....a mistake is when you accidently let someone out of a submission or throw a haymaker and fail to commit to a combo. Gettin' KO'd, however, just means you done ******** up. Silva is far from perfect either seeing as how he had been rocked a bit by sak as well as dan henderson. Still, though, Silva is a man to be feared.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:04 am
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Mirko_Filipovic You realize, that the 2nd time was a fluke, the 3rd time was more of him just making a mistake getting hit on the button. Plus come on, with all of his injuries? Oh and if you ask about the Schembri match, he lost because there was a headbutt, and he didn't even complain. Also you have to take into consideration how sakuraba trains. He doesn't really weight train, now look at silva and you tell me the same thing. Most of Sakuraba's strength comes from Sparring. I doubt you can say the same of Silva. Anyway, Sakuraba was out of his prime after the first silva fight. IN WHICH HE HAD THE FLU! So the first and 2nd fight were kinda unfair. The 2nd not really being unfair, but just being really unlucky. I mean if silva hadn't slammed and broken saku's arm (Which he still used amazingly) silva would have been choked out. I dunno man....I just think Silva has a different mentality than most fighters. While the rest are there to win, he's there to rip heads off. How does Silva lack sparring strength exactly? Don't get me wrong, though, Saku is the man...I just think Silva is too agressive for most fighters. Hell, even Royce was trying to avoid answering Steven Quadros' question on whether or not he'd like to fight him. Plus, there's too many woulda, shoulda, coulda's in the 3 matches between sak and wanderlei. Sak had the flu, then he shouldn't have fought. Sak was almost choking him out but got slammed, he probably shoulda pulled guard and locked it in better. And match three....a mistake is when you accidently let someone out of a submission or throw a haymaker and fail to commit to a combo. Gettin' KO'd, however, just means you done ******** up. Silva is far from perfect either seeing as how he had been rocked a bit by sak as well as dan henderson. Still, though, Silva is a man to be feared. His mistake was throwing a low kick and not keeping his hands up. And yeah his mentality is different, but still. Think about it, Saku is not one to back out of a fight unless absolutely forced to. yeah saku should have pulled guard. But he didn't. And Sparring strength Silva has that, but i'm saying, all Saku really does is Spar. I mean, if you think about it, Saku is probably the humblest fighter in the sport, he had the flu while considered the Champ, and he doesn't back down from a fight that alot of people thought he might lose. He didn't complain about an illegal Headbutt that knocked him out. I mean s**t dude. He doesn't make ANY excuses/complaints. Even when they are acceptable. And if you really think about it. Silva has 8-9 years on Saku. Saku is/was a heavy smoker/drinker. Now you get a perfect health Saku, with a perfect health Silva. I'd put my money on Saku. Even looking at it objectively Saku would be the better bet.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:19 am
Mirko_Filipovic Bruce-Ganked-Lee Mirko_Filipovic You realize, that the 2nd time was a fluke, the 3rd time was more of him just making a mistake getting hit on the button. Plus come on, with all of his injuries? Oh and if you ask about the Schembri match, he lost because there was a headbutt, and he didn't even complain. Also you have to take into consideration how sakuraba trains. He doesn't really weight train, now look at silva and you tell me the same thing. Most of Sakuraba's strength comes from Sparring. I doubt you can say the same of Silva. Anyway, Sakuraba was out of his prime after the first silva fight. IN WHICH HE HAD THE FLU! So the first and 2nd fight were kinda unfair. The 2nd not really being unfair, but just being really unlucky. I mean if silva hadn't slammed and broken saku's arm (Which he still used amazingly) silva would have been choked out. I dunno man....I just think Silva has a different mentality than most fighters. While the rest are there to win, he's there to rip heads off. How does Silva lack sparring strength exactly? Don't get me wrong, though, Saku is the man...I just think Silva is too agressive for most fighters. Hell, even Royce was trying to avoid answering Steven Quadros' question on whether or not he'd like to fight him. Plus, there's too many woulda, shoulda, coulda's in the 3 matches between sak and wanderlei. Sak had the flu, then he shouldn't have fought. Sak was almost choking him out but got slammed, he probably shoulda pulled guard and locked it in better. And match three....a mistake is when you accidently let someone out of a submission or throw a haymaker and fail to commit to a combo. Gettin' KO'd, however, just means you done ******** up. Silva is far from perfect either seeing as how he had been rocked a bit by sak as well as dan henderson. Still, though, Silva is a man to be feared. His mistake was throwing a low kick and not keeping his hands up. And yeah his mentality is different, but still. Think about it, Saku is not one to back out of a fight unless absolutely forced to. yeah saku should have pulled guard. But he didn't. And Sparring strength Silva has that, but i'm saying, all Saku really does is Spar. I mean, if you think about it, Saku is probably the humblest fighter in the sport, he had the flu while considered the Champ, and he doesn't back down from a fight that alot of people thought he might lose. He didn't complain about an illegal Headbutt that knocked him out. I mean s**t dude. He doesn't make ANY excuses/complaints. Even when they are acceptable. And if you really think about it. Silva has 8-9 years on Saku. Saku is/was a heavy smoker/drinker. Now you get a perfect health Saku, with a perfect health Silva. I'd put my money on Saku. Even looking at it objectively Saku would be the better bet. Too many what ifs. The fact of the matter is, Silva's beat him 3 times. You can make excuses all you want, but he still lost to Silva 3 times. I'm still confident that Silva will continue to reign over Saku, even if Sak started getting more fit. The thing that Sak needs to change the most is his ability to deal with Silva's aggressiveness. That's one of the things that most fighters aren't able to handle right now.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:19 pm
He has 9 years over him, and too many injuries. I don't think he can beat Silva right now. If Saku got meaner, and actually GnP'd he'd annihilate. Like if you noticed in the 2nd fight, Saku should have continued to GnP, but that's not his style. If you noticed.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:40 pm
Mirko_Filipovic He has 9 years over him, and too many injuries. I don't think he can beat Silva right now. If Saku got meaner, and actually GnP'd he'd annihilate. Like if you noticed in the 2nd fight, Saku should have continued to GnP, but that's not his style. If you noticed. Then I guess he's always gonna get beat by Silva unless he switches his style. Until he succesfully does that, I'm gonna consider Silva as the greatest.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:13 pm
I don't know much about either fighter really... I only know who Giant Silva is (He looks like a neandrethal) and I have heard Sakuraba's name a lot but never really seen anything from him.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:20 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Mirko_Filipovic He has 9 years over him, and too many injuries. I don't think he can beat Silva right now. If Saku got meaner, and actually GnP'd he'd annihilate. Like if you noticed in the 2nd fight, Saku should have continued to GnP, but that's not his style. If you noticed. Then I guess he's always gonna get beat by Silva unless he switches his style. Until he succesfully does that, I'm gonna consider Silva as the greatest. I'm talking about Sakuraba in his PRIME! Silva is currently in his prime, but you watch, once he gets to saku's age, he's going to have the s**t beat out of him all over the place. I mean really, if you put him in a fight with Nog, he'd be subbed so fast. And honestly, alot of fights he did have the upper hand, considering he actually walks around at the weight a Heavyweight should. But hey, IGOR! dropped down, so silva's about to lose his crown. The rhymed. lol. I'll post the Greatest Highlight ever just for you Jazbo. It shows, Saku's rise, and his Fall. And it'll show his BULLSHIT, loss to Schembri, in which he is Clearly headbutted.
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:48 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:21 am
Mirko_Filipovic Bruce-Ganked-Lee Mirko_Filipovic He has 9 years over him, and too many injuries. I don't think he can beat Silva right now. If Saku got meaner, and actually GnP'd he'd annihilate. Like if you noticed in the 2nd fight, Saku should have continued to GnP, but that's not his style. If you noticed. Then I guess he's always gonna get beat by Silva unless he switches his style. Until he succesfully does that, I'm gonna consider Silva as the greatest. I'm talking about Sakuraba in his PRIME! Silva is currently in his prime, but you watch, once he gets to saku's age, he's going to have the s**t beat out of him all over the place. I mean really, if you put him in a fight with Nog, he'd be subbed so fast. And honestly, alot of fights he did have the upper hand, considering he actually walks around at the weight a Heavyweight should. But hey, IGOR! dropped down, so silva's about to lose his crown. The rhymed. lol. I'll post the Greatest Highlight ever just for you Jazbo. It shows, Saku's rise, and his Fall. And it'll show his BULLSHIT, loss to Schembri, in which he is Clearly headbutted. Silva doesn't really look all that big. Plus I would think that with all the fights he's endured(30+), his body would be a bit more abused than Sakuraba's, especially with the fighting he's done in Brazil and what not.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:12 pm
Dude. I'm like a Sakuphile. lol. He has taken WAY more punishment that Silva. I mean Saku was a Pro-Wrestler. But it was more Submission wrestling than what we have here in the States. And it explains why his knee is so messed up. His eye isn't all that good either. He has alot of problems. Plus Silva, he doesn't look that big, but he is. I mean s**t, When i Saw Sak for the first time, I didn't think he was 6'0.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:35 pm
Dude, I had the video loading overnight, it woke me up at 3AM, love the intros though.
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:43 pm
Showed his Rise, and his fall. Yeah. MattBae makes the best Highlights. And I mean s**t. Saku is the greatest. just imagine if he won the GP. Or if he went to UFC he might dominate. Depending how rusty he is with the Cage. He has fought in UFC before. You must remember that.
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