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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:54 pm


New Pledge of Allegiance!
Keep this going.. It's really a good one.



Since the Pledge of Allegiance and
The Lord's Prayer are not allowed in most public schools anymore
Because the word "God" is mentioned....
A kid in Arizona wrote the attached
NEW School prayer.
I liked it....


Now I sit me down in school

Where praying is against the rule

For this great nation under God

Finds mention of Him very odd.






If Scripture now the class recites,

It violates the Bill of Rights.

And anytime my head I bow

Becomes a Federal matter now.




Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

The law is specific, the law is precise.

Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.




For praying in a public hall

Might offend someone with no faith at all.

In silence alone we must meditate,

God's name is prohibited by the state.




We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.

They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.

It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,

We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.




We can get our condoms and birth controls,

Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

No word of God must reach this crowd.




It's scary here I must confess,

When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen



If you aren't ashamed to do this,

please pass this on.


Jesus said,

"If you are ashamed of me,

I will be ashamed of you before my Father."





Not ashamed. Passing this on


now, this is an extremely bad one, first of all, i looked up the verse on the end on google, and it just gave links to other chain letter, so i looked it up at bible.com, and i looked it up multiple times, with and without quotations and in all the english forms of the bible they had, and it doesn't exist. secondly, i don't know where this kid goes to school, but most public schools in america, if not all, say the pledge, at my school they get offended if you don't. now i put this in the debate section because it might get controversial, and heres why: i support taking out under god in the pledge, and the reason why is for 2 reasons. i believe in god, but not everyone does, and that is because god gave people the choice. if you read mere christianity by C.L. Lewis (who is one of the greatest writers ever), talked about how god gave people a choice, that because if we didn't have choice than everyone would act like robots, and i think that people should have the choice. but that still doesn't make it wrong, so heres my next point. god, like i said gave us a choice, and america, the founding fathers, made the choice to allow people to have freedom of religion, and putting under god in the pledge takes that away to people who don't believe or worship god. now why would i defend that, it all goes back to the first part, god gave us a choice to follow him or not. but that gets off the point, i neither believe this post is any good, or that under god should be in the pledge. now if this all seems confusing all i am saying, i believe in god, and that god gave us choices, and that these choices are to be only governed by god. i expect to get alot of negative feed back from people about what i said, so please try to see that i am not trying to critisize god. and also, i ask that noone pull the are you ashamed of god card. this passage shows why that would be wrong:

5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

what it is saying is not to brag about god, or be hypocritical about him or praise him to show off, and that is why i usually skip under god in the pledge, but after we say the pledge in my head so noone can hear me, i say the lords prayer, which is also in that verse, i don't draw attention to myself, sometimes i close my eyes, sometimes i look down, but i never let anyone know what i am doing. so please critisize, i am ready to be butchered

CORRECTION: I am sorry, but i made a mistake and someone did find that verse, but in my defense, the verse was not worded correctly in the post and the originial poster of the chain should have atleast found the right words
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:42 pm


Mark 8:38 (NIV)

"If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."


However your point is correct. God gave us a choice. I am not American. I'm Canadian. No pledge to take. What I think is that people should be allowed to say it if they want. But if not they don't have to.

Luphstorm


flyingemu27
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:29 pm


Yeah I think I kinda agree. It should be people's choice. You can't just go around telling the athiests, witches, pagans, etc. to believe in God! It's something that they have to decide themselves (possibly with your help later on....)

Also, I've heard that we originally didn't have "Under God" in the pledge, and we just added it in during the whole anti-russia-because-it's-communist movement. Since the majority of Russia was athiest, we just put that in there just so we could prove we were different than them and that...I don't know...for some reason. I don't feel like researching it now because it's late... sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:17 pm


Jakal Saba Naor
Mark 8:38 (NIV)

"If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."


However your point is correct. God gave us a choice. I am not American. I'm Canadian. No pledge to take. What I think is that people should be allowed to say it if they want. But if not they don't have to.


thank you for finding that, i looked using the exact words from the post, i stand corrected about that

LearningtoBreath63
Vice Captain


LearningtoBreath63
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:22 pm


flyingemu27
Yeah I think I kinda agree. It should be people's choice. You can't just go around telling the athiests, witches, pagans, etc. to believe in God! It's something that they have to decide themselves (possibly with your help later on....)

Also, I've heard that we originally didn't have "Under God" in the pledge, and we just added it in during the whole anti-russia-because-it's-communist movement. Since the majority of Russia was athiest, we just put that in there just so we could prove we were different than them and that...I don't know...for some reason. I don't feel like researching it now because it's late... sweatdrop


i do know we didn't have it in the pledge before the 1950's, so assuming that is right, than did we add it in for the right reason, to fight a war against russia.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:45 pm


2 more points i would like to make about the american pledge and that verse, number one, there are other ways to show your proud of god without having under god there. for instance, at my church we get lots of shirts from events like camps and mission trips, with words and symbols that definetedly show i'm christian, and i have been asked about them before when wearing them (in places such as school), but i'm not forcing them to ask about my religion, i'm just showing people my faith, and they can ask if they want. now that gets to my next point. i know atheists who say that they do say under god in the pledge, and the only reason they do it is because, the schools tell them to, but they never tell them why, and whats worse, saying something without knowing, or not saying it at all. its like this, if the government put under satan in the constitution, would you say it. i compare under god in the pledge to sex ed. our religion says no sex, but if we applied that to school with out teaching about birth control and condoms, then there would be wide spread std's and a bunch of 14 year olds with babies. i'm not saying go try to get it (under god) removed, but to think about whos saying it

LearningtoBreath63
Vice Captain


flyingemu27
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:31 pm


Yeah, I guess it really isn't fair for all those other people. And I guess there are plenty of better ways to show your fervor for God. A lot of bigger things...like helping out with people's needs and stuff. 3nodding
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:36 pm


flyingemu27
Yeah, I guess it really isn't fair for all those other people. And I guess there are plenty of better ways to show your fervor for God. A lot of bigger things...like helping out with people's needs and stuff. 3nodding
and what would happen if someone decided to teach a kindergardner not only the pledge and what it means, and the teacher got to under god, if s/he says that its because we're christian, then how do you think the muslims hindus jews and yes, even atheists would feel. put yourself in that position and then ask if under god in the pledge is right

LearningtoBreath63
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Imotoku

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:57 pm


Well i think you have to remember that the Bible says to grlorify God in everything. They should keep it in there for the christians. If the other faiths choose not to say it then it is their problem. They shouldn't protest they should just not say it if theu dont believe it. It wouldnt be fair to the people that believe it.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:18 pm


I think a nation under God is a prophetic thing. Because in the bible it mentions all nations will bow down. SO we will be a nation under God. But at the same time if they don't want to say it they don't have to. I don't really have a view whether it should be out or in. I like that it is in but would it personally hurt me if it was taken out? No. It could even do the church a favor. Because then the people wouldn't view so many Christians on trying to force their faith upon people and the world. I dunno but thats my two cents.

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LearningtoBreath63
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:40 pm


SaraRenee
I think a nation under God is a prophetic thing. Because in the bible it mentions all nations will bow down. SO we will be a nation under God. But at the same time if they don't want to say it they don't have to. I don't really have a view whether it should be out or in. I like that it is in but would it personally hurt me if it was taken out? No. It could even do the church a favor. Because then the people wouldn't view so many Christians on trying to force their faith upon people and the world. I dunno but thats my two cents.
yes, but in the constitution it says that america will have a seperation of church and state, and that breaks all principals of the constitution
PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:00 pm


And that is why I said I don't really have a view whether it should stay in it or get taken out. If it gets taken out it's because the law is there and I'm ok with that because I'm a law abiding citizen. And if it stays in then I'm fine with that too because like I said I think it's prophetic. Either way it doesn't hurt me but one way it's encouraging.

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Se Ga Takai

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:12 pm


Quote:
CORRECTION: I am sorry, but i made a mistake and someone did find that verse, but in my defense, the verse was not worded correctly in the post and the originial poster of the chain should have atleast found the right words
How many English Translations are there, and how many did you bother to look in before you proclaimed it was teh wrong words?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:10 pm


i'm just going to say right now, i disagree, when our school says under god in the pledge, i say it loud, to where everyone can here that this country is UNDER GOD!!! we were based of christian beliefs and i am going to say loud and PROUD what i believe, they can take it out, but i will always say it. and now alot of my other classmates say under god louder to, we erupt like a volcano on that part, b/c it is true where would we be without him?!? if someone doesn't want to say it, they don't have to! but i don't think we should ever take it out...

and about the whole, don't show where you pray, i agree, don't pray to be noticed, but if that is where you were called to pray, bow down on the floor for all anyone cares! god says to bow to him, and when you worship, do whatever! dance, yell, bow, clap, who cares? PRAISE GOD!!!

BandFreakJo


LearningtoBreath63
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:11 pm


BandFreakJo
i'm just going to say right now, i disagree, when our school says under god in the pledge, i say it loud, to where everyone can here that this country is UNDER GOD!!! we were based of christian beliefs and i am going to say loud and PROUD what i believe, they can take it out, but i will always say it. and now alot of my other classmates say under god louder to, we erupt like a volcano on that part, b/c it is true where would we be without him?!? if someone doesn't want to say it, they don't have to! but i don't think we should ever take it out...

and about the whole, don't show where you pray, i agree, don't pray to be noticed, but if that is where you were called to pray, bow down on the floor for all anyone cares! god says to bow to him, and when you worship, do whatever! dance, yell, bow, clap, who cares? PRAISE GOD!!!

Here's the issue though. Religion in Politics leads to a corrupt government. Politics in Religion lead to a corrupt Church. If you don't believe me I will show historical examples. Also, think of the people who don't believe in the Christian God.
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