Welcome to Gaia! ::

Guild of Vegans and Vegetarians

Back to Guilds

Join vegetarians and supporters for discussion on health, cooking, and ethical issues! 

Tags: Food, Vegan, Vegetarian, Animal, Cooking 

Reply Extended Debate
I'm new Goto Page: 1 2 [>] [»|]

Quick Reply

Enter both words below, separated by a space:

Can't read the text? Click here

Submit

Aeggie

8,250 Points
  • Friendly 100
  • Invisibility 100
  • Nudist Colony 200
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:14 pm


First off, I am very shocked I was let in. I eat meat. But I expressed that in the app form. Before the carrots start flying toward me. I have to express I agree with vegans to a point. That being said, I want to have CIVIL debate about the problem with meat. Not saying like 'it smells like crap.' "It's bad karma' or "It sucks!" I want REAL reasons why it is bad for you. I do have a very healthy eatting life style but meat isn't so bad that it will kill me. At least if it is prepared properly.

So, if you want to have a FRIENDLY debate. Join me, but please. PLEASE keep things civil.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:14 am


    Okay. Here's my friendly debate.

    Being vegetarian decreases the chances of colon cancer, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, and high cholesterol.

    Also, most people would never dream of cramming 11 egg-laying hens in a file drawer-sized cage, ripping the testicles out of a screaming piglet, or cutting the throat of a cow as it stares back at you with it's big brown eyes. But it happens, and you're eating the animals that go through this.

    Did you know what happens in a slaughterhouse? Well, the cows that don't die after traveling miles and miles through any weather - being starved the whole way - are shot in the head with a bolt gun, hung up by their legs, and taken onto the killing floor, where their throats are cut and they are skinned. Many cows remain conscious through the whole process. A man was quoted saying, "They are slaughtered piece by piece."

    By eating meat you're supporting this. The end.

The Hoodlumish Panda


Sh3d0w

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:28 pm


Be healthy!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:32 pm


It's cool. I am too. Shhhh.
As for health reasons? Um, um...
Lots of major epidemics have come from our meat eating?
Like, the Spanish Influenza was a type of bird flu.
By not chilling with the chickens, we probably won't get it.

Afflaetus


realt

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:58 pm


people arent really made to digest meat. like dogs cant eat carrots. the average middle aged male has like 10lbs of rotting meat in his colon. nice.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:46 pm


realt
people arent really made to digest meat. like dogs cant eat carrots. the average middle aged male has like 10lbs of rotting meat in his colon. nice.
Then why do they put carrots in nearly every type of dog food? confused

Ailinea
Vice Captain


Nicky McCloud

PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:05 pm


realt
people arent really made to digest meat. like dogs cant eat carrots. the average middle aged male has like 10lbs of rotting meat in his colon. nice.

...actually, people are physiologically omnivorous. Thus our dentral structures (incisors for tearing flesh, molars for grinding vegetation) and the size of our appendices. True herbivores have much larger veriform appendices (the little bit of tubing that hangs off the cecum) than omnivores such as humans (who have only a vestigial appendix) and true carnivores (who have almost no appendix). Granted, this last bit about the appendix is sometimes disputed, but it's generally accepted in the biological community that the veriform appendix is a vestigial (meaning useless leftover) of our herbivorous ancestors.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:57 pm


I don't think I could say it any better than Panda did.
Well, here's a bit more.
There's a type of beef or steak or some kind of dead cow meat, where the calves are put into cages where they can't move at all the minute they are born. They are force-fed. They develop no muscle because they have never moved in their lives. All this to make your dead cow extra-tender.
Chickens are put in cages too small for them to turn around in. They are stacked on top of each other. They live in their own, and each other's, excrement. Their beaks are cut off to prevent fighting. All male chickens are killed. Their lights are left on all day so they will lay more eggs.
Also, rainforests are being cut down to make grazing land for cows owned by the suppliers of hamburger chains. It's likely that Chico Mendez, an advocate for the Amazon, was murdered by an assassin sent by one of these suppliers, although the crime has never been solved.

La Violetta


Nicky McCloud

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:49 am


La Violetta
I don't think I could say it any better than Panda did.
Well, here's a bit more.
There's a type of beef or steak or some kind of dead cow meat, where the calves are put into cages where they can't move at all the minute they are born. They are force-fed. They develop no muscle because they have never moved in their lives. All this to make your dead cow extra-tender.

S'called veal. Welcome to the primary reason I won't eat it.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:09 am


When is it good for you to have something
rotting inside of you?
It takes 3 days for you to start digesting meat
I don't know about anyone else but i've only been sick once in 3 year
and befor I'd get sick about 4 times a year
Which means my immune system is up

..lil minx 3..


Henbane
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:19 pm


I had to look this up because it sounds a little weird that a food will stay undigested for up to 3 days. this was just a quick search...

http://www.teenhealthfx.com/answers/1386.html
"The answer is, it depends. Everyone?s GI (gastrointestinal) track is different. So meat could take anywhere from a few hours to a day to digest."

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may97/860192168.An.r.html
"The time for food to travel from one end to the other probably ranges from about 20 to 30 hours. I hazard a guess that it is unlikely that meat will hang around for a week given that the gastrointestinal tract is very effective in breaking it down with various enzymes and acidity of the stomach. Foods high in protein and fats probably would probably take a little longer to pass through than if it were carbohydrate."

http://www.dmturner.org/Teacher/Library/4thText/FoodPart2.html
"This whole process of digestion might take as long as 24 hours. In other words, when you are eating supper, you are still digesting your breakfast."

Maybe for someone who never eats the stuff it would take longer?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:26 pm


Quote:
realt Wrote:
people arent really made to digest meat. like dogs cant eat carrots. the average middle aged male has like 10lbs of rotting meat in his colon. nice.
Ailinea Wrote:
Quote:

Then why do they put carrots in nearly every type of dog food?


Dogs like humans are omnivores too. They can digest carrots. My dog loves them. Of course he also likes my cats poop so I guess that doesn't say too much lol.

Henbane
Vice Captain


realt

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:37 pm


Henbane
Quote:
realt Wrote:
people arent really made to digest meat. like dogs cant eat carrots. the average middle aged male has like 10lbs of rotting meat in his colon. nice.
Ailinea Wrote:
Quote:

Then why do they put carrots in nearly every type of dog food?


Dogs like humans are omnivores too. They can digest carrots. My dog loves them. Of course he also likes my cats poop so I guess that doesn't say too much lol.


wtf!! thats nice!! ok, sorry folk, MY dog doesnt ever eat carrot, and i went for the good old asssumption that there was a good reason for it, not that she was being picky!!
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:55 pm


realt
Henbane
Quote:
realt Wrote:
people arent really made to digest meat. like dogs cant eat carrots. the average middle aged male has like 10lbs of rotting meat in his colon. nice.
Ailinea Wrote:
Quote:

Then why do they put carrots in nearly every type of dog food?


Dogs like humans are omnivores too. They can digest carrots. My dog loves them. Of course he also likes my cats poop so I guess that doesn't say too much lol.


wtf!! thats nice!! ok, sorry folk, MY dog doesnt ever eat carrot, and i went for the good old asssumption that there was a good reason for it, not that she was being picky!!


If you look at contents on many dry and canned dog foods, its just not made up of meat. There is rice, carroots, grains, and other stuff. It just depends on what you buy. On the eating random foods, my dog also pulls apples off of our apple tree and eats them. A book I read a while ago explained that a dogs tounge has less taste buds then a human does but many of the taste buds help the dog taste sweet. That might also explain why my dog pulled all of the lollypops out of the Easter basket I had, unwrapped them, ate the candy, and then left the wrappers and sticks all over the floor. But I suppose, like some humans have individual eating behaviors, so do dogs. Just don't feed your dog canned corn because it comes out the same way it does for humans. I know this because a dumb lady that brought her dog for boarding asked to put that in her dogs food. And lucky me I got to clean up the mess afterwards. sweatdrop

Oh and even if the dog just chews apples and carrots, it makes a good alternate chewie. Instead of nasty rawhides. It can help keep their teeth clean. Just let them outside with it though so you don't have to clean up the bits of food on the floor.

Henbane
Vice Captain


Castilleja

Sparkly Combatant

10,000 Points
  • Statustician 100
  • Tested Practitioner 250
  • Timid 100
PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 9:03 pm


^Actually, many herbivores will reingest their digested food, since their appendices are long and, usually, food needs a second ingestion.

Carnivores and omnivores usually don't need to do that.
Reply
Extended Debate

Goto Page: 1 2 [>] [»|]
 
Manage Your Items
Other Stuff
Get GCash
Offers
Get Items
More Items
Where Everyone Hangs Out
Other Community Areas
Virtual Spaces
Fun Stuff
Gaia's Games
Mini-Games
Play with GCash
Play with Platinum