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 Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:43 am
I've been reading around here, and I've been told by some people who have left that there were many arguements in this guild. Now, it amazes me as to why this is a Christian guild, yet the members can not get along. What sort of example are we setting if we, as members of the same religion, can not get along? Now, I'm new here, and you all might be thinking that I don't know anything about what happened here, and you're right. But that's not the point, the point is that people have left this guild because of people who are supposed to treat everyone with the same respect. And if they didn't treat you with respect first, then do what Jesus said, and turn the other cheek. And obviously this isn't directed toward everyone in the guild, just those who were doing this sort of thing. If you're here to honestly learn from other Christians and fellowship with one another then that's great. But if you're here only to cause trouble and start arguements that need not be started, then maybe you should leave..or at least stop. Now I'm not a mod or crew member, but that's just what I think needs to happen. I mean honestly, does it make you feel good about yourself to make others frustrated and leave guilds where they are supposed to be welcomed? You really should be ashamed of yourselves...((again this is not directed toward everyone, just the people who were doing this.))
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:28 pm
Yeah I know dude. . . confused
I am friends with people on both sides of the argument and honestly all I can say is that no matter how I tried I could not get the two sides of the argument to try and get along. Some people who left came to me and said "Please ban so-and-so because they are mean to me, blah, blah,etc." and I did that but those people who complained left anyway.
Then they told me, in a nutshell, "I am not coming back because others don't think/view things about God the way I do" which is ridiculous to think. After all God made us all different for a reason.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:23 pm
yeah...I mean seriously...we're Christians. We all believe Jesus was and is the son of God and the redeemer of mankind. We all believe he is our personal lord and savior....why should we care about the minor differences in denomonation or personal conviction???
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:11 pm
They even banned me... and well, you can tell I don't post that often. I have a simple reason for that: I write a thoughtful post, it's a waste of my time. No one responds. Start an argument, and the post count goes through the roof.
I guess I just don't understand, but it's pretty pointless, I mean, I am a heretic afterall, and am going straight to hell.
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Broken Black Shackles Crew
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:48 pm
It was really crazy. We had people pming us, Pepper and I, arguing about how we were trying to stop the arguing. Some saying we were running a witch den and so on. Crazy I tell you. I just gave up. Started banning those people who made the most problems, then I got them pming me saying I was 'bitching' and so on.
Sorry about banning you by the way, sistergoldenhair. I was just doing the last thing I could to see the fighting stop. Banning people, then letting in again people who wouldn't try to start arguments. But don't say I'm abusing my power of being a mod, the fighting did stop, ne?
But yeah. It was crazy.
To bad the leader ditched the guild. The arguing probably wouldn't have gotten so bad then.
~Tai heart
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:01 pm
Broken Black Shackles It was really crazy. We had people pming us, Pepper and I, arguing about how we were trying to stop the arguing. Some saying we were running a witch den and so on. Crazy I tell you. I just gave up. Started banning those people who made the most problems, then I got them pming me saying I was 'bitching' and so on.
Sorry about banning you by the way, sistergoldenhair. I was just doing the last thing I could to see the fighting stop. Banning people, then letting in again people who wouldn't try to start arguments. But don't say I'm abusing my power of being a mod, the fighting did stop, ne?
But yeah. It was crazy.
To bad the leader ditched the guild. The arguing probably wouldn't have gotten so bad then.
~Tai heart The last thing you could do? Wow...no wonder I've stopped bothering with this place lately. I guess it's back to business as usual. See, I was lured in by that word "Alternative" in the guild heading....and promises that being "different" was acceptable. I guess it was only as "different" as people wanted to be and only their kind of "different". If I had pm'd you first would you have banned the Almighty GothPunk who is gone now anyway? I mean, really? That guy was a terror. I'd have killfiled him on usenet and banned him from my guild the first time he even showed SIGNS of being like that. I was sitting there being ATTACKED and defending myself... I know I got a little nasty, but I would have felt better if there had been a few others going down with me, you know? If you're going to put up with that sort of thing and sanction it, I suggest you change your billing. Your heading and description leads people to believe this is actually a safe place to discuss being gay, being different, or actually having a real alternative lifestyle. Not that I really do, I'm a breeder (straight person) myself, I've just spent enough time in the gay community to have seen the effect false hope has on people. I'm done ranting now. Delete this post (and me) if you want. I needed to get that off my chest. I tried to come back and play nice, but I was rewarded with one person actually voting for me to go to hell on my poll, and only one response to it. I don't think anyone here wants to think about that sort of thing.. Which is fine, if you don't want to go any farther on your spiritual journey than age 10 or so.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:17 pm
Wow more arguing. To tell you the truth I was probably going to ban Gothpunk. He just left to soon. And yes, it was the last thing I could do. Last thing I cared to do really, I didn't want anyone else to start fighting with me. So I just took action. Action is more my thing then words anyway. But! Yes. What else was there to do, that would make both sides stop fighting, and work quick?
And we can't change the heading and description either so you know.
Amazing really, I apologize nicely, and get more bashing.
Suppose that's how the world works, ne?
~Tai heart
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:01 am
Ya know...I didn't make this thread to turn it into an arguement. Anyway...sistergoldenhair...I'm sorry if people said things to you that were wrong. I wasn't really hear before so I don't know why people would call you a heretic ((if that's what you were refering to in your other post))...but I've been called "oh ye of little faith" before...in a christian guild...by people who thought that the bible needed to be taken word for word and i said that not everything was literal....((especially revelation)).
People who misrepresent God and Christianity by not accepting people for who they are ((when Jesus clearly says to "come as you are")) or by stating pure falsehoods or even half truths are the people who others think of when they think of Christians...those people aren't the real christians. The real christians are accepting of everyone and don't care how you dress or what music you listen to or who you choose to love. They can't judge you, because they haven't walked in your shoes. And until they have, which they more than likely never will, then they have nothing to say about your lifestyle. And anyone that tells you otherwise is full of it because Jesus even says:
"How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."~Luke 6:42
Which I think means that we cannot judge others until we can fully see what they are going through.
Even Jesus didn't come to judge people. "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it."~John 12:47
If Jesus, the son of God, did not come to judge the world, then who the heck are we to do it????
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:27 am
Bravo, Bravo. Well put indeed. There was a lot of "You can't be a Christian cause you don't agree with so and so" and A whole lot of "there is no sin greater that homosexuality" (which all sin are equal), and just too much junk going on. I even had one PM me because he said I was wrong for learning about other religions. Even when I was using that info to bring others to Christ (makes it easier when you can use someone's own religion against them). I was even able to convert a Muslim inside a prison, where he could be killed for doing so (they had to move him to another prison because of threats). And what had impressed him the most was that I did know about his religion. It was bad here for a while, real bad. I almost quit myself, but decided to go on hiatus for a while (couldn't stay away a week xd ). But here's to keeping it that way for a longggggg time.
And Goldenhair, hope you don't leave again. maybe you should try that post again, this time while there's not so much "BS" happening. Just a thought.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:15 am
I can't stand the people who think that any sin is greater than any other sin. I also can't stand it when people say that you can't be a Christian if you're homosexual, because homosexuality is a sin. ((I'm not debating on whether it is or not...my opinion on this subject is my own and I will keep it to myself..)) And going on the premiss that they call it a sin...then that means anyone that sins can not be a Christian. Which is totally full of crap because everyone sins and struggles with sin...EVEN CHRISTIANS. And if any Christian tells you they don't sin then not only are they lying to you, but they are lying to themselves and Satan has blinded them to the truth. And some people might say, "oh well they are living in sin, so that makes it worse." BALOGNA!!!! ((that's pronounced baloney...idk if I spelled that right..lol)) Everyone lives in sin...we're people....it's impossible not to sin. But that doesn't mean that it's impossible to ask for redemption. Most people only read the parts of the Bible that someone tells them about, but they completely exclude the surrounding verses. So many people turn away from Christianity because we don't welcome them. The world welcomes them, the world has something for everyone, it doesn't turn anyone away. But we, as Christians, and as the church need to welcome people of all nationalities, backgrounds, lifestyles, personal convictions, heritage, genders, gender attractions, etc. We can't turn people away simply because they are different. And we can't tell people they are "evil" or "heretics" because they disagree with us. That's not the way to bring people to God.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:11 pm
My opinion, is that you can be a homosexual and a Christian, s'just God doesn't like it anymore then any other sin. All sins are the same in God's eyes. They should be the same in ours, as well. So in the sense, we're no better.
That's my opinion, to sum it up.
~Tai heart
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:41 pm
All sins are equal . . . that I agree on.
Bravo to Admirable_Mention for summing things up so nicely. 3nodding
Anyhow . . . banning people may not have been the last thing we could have done but it was all we could come up with at that time . . . Tai and I are sorry if we hurt anyone's feelings . . . let's put this crap in the past and move on . . . ok?
We hope that you do forgive us sistergoldenhair . . . heart and I believe you will because you are nice like that right? Or am I wrong about this? I try to give everyone the benefit of a doubt after all . . . and really there is no reason for any of us to hold any grudges . . . since we are all brothers and sisters in Christ right?
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:48 am
It was really interesting.
I went to my Grandma's church this weekend (it's a really old little Southern Baptist church. ) And they have a pastor that's kinda new. And he speaks very well. And this particular Sunday, he had his sermon typed out because he wanted to speak about clearing up some confusions and arguments about what he believed, and he wanted everyone to be able to read it. And I've been to churches where they print it out before, but I don't think they've ever done this at my Grandma's church.
But yeah, this pastor's been there for a while and apparently some people were upset/confused about his doctrine.
But he said something I really admired and liked - he said that he had no problem that they'd brought it up at the Deacon's meeting ( i think it was that ) with him and that he thought that was a perfect place to discuss it, but what he said that really made me admire him was that even though somebody's doctrine "might not be perfect in accordance with the Bible," that didn't mean that their faith wasn't just as strong or just as, I guess, good as somebody whose doctrine was in accordance with the Bible. And I think that's true. I mean, I think even if you don't agree with the whole Bible, that doesn't mean that you won't have faith just as good as somebody else's.
But yeah, I was just kinda tying that in with what you had to say. Sorry.
redface sweatdrop biggrin heart
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:53 am
Admirable_Mention I can't stand the people who think that any sin is greater than any other sin. I also can't stand it when people say that you can't be a Christian if you're homosexual, because homosexuality is a sin. ((I'm not debating on whether it is or not...my opinion on this subject is my own and I will keep it to myself..)) And going on the premiss that they call it a sin...then that means anyone that sins can not be a Christian. Which is totally full of crap because everyone sins and struggles with sin...EVEN CHRISTIANS. And if any Christian tells you they don't sin then not only are they lying to you, but they are lying to themselves and Satan has blinded them to the truth. And some people might say, "oh well they are living in sin, so that makes it worse." BALOGNA!!!! ((that's pronounced baloney...idk if I spelled that right..lol)) Everyone lives in sin...we're people....it's impossible not to sin. But that doesn't mean that it's impossible to ask for redemption. Most people only read the parts of the Bible that someone tells them about, but they completely exclude the surrounding verses. So many people turn away from Christianity because we don't welcome them. The world welcomes them, the world has something for everyone, it doesn't turn anyone away. But we, as Christians, and as the church need to welcome people of all nationalities, backgrounds, lifestyles, personal convictions, heritage, genders, gender attractions, etc. We can't turn people away simply because they are different. And we can't tell people they are "evil" or "heretics" because they disagree with us. That's not the way to bring people to God. I agree with you. I used to believe that people couldn't be gay and a Christian and I would fervently argue that when given the chance. I mean, I didn't hate gays, but I believed that it was wrong and that you coudln't be a gay Christian. But now I believe you can always be a Christian, no matter what you've done or what you do. I believe that faith counts more than actions, though you should still repent when you sin. (Now I'm bi, by the way. ) xd ... bi the way...
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:30 pm
Broken Black Shackles
Suppose that's how the world works, ne?
~Tai heart Well, it's definitely how Gaia works, in any case... But yes, I'm new as well, and was looking for a place that would be excepting and understanding of my being gay and Christian. As I mentioned in... er... another post (can't remember if it was my intro post or another one), those are two parts of me that can never change, and I need to learn to live with both. I got a little freaked out when I saw all the arguing going on, but I like the idea behind this guild too much to run away because of a little fighting. Like I said, arguing seems to be the way Gaia works... Also, going a bit off topic to say that fabifly, I LOVE YOUR SIG!!! heart Animorphs-loff!
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