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Marjuari_the_elemental

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:10 pm


What is the definition of Faith? Is it believing God exsists? Is it really believing in your religion? What is faith?  
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:39 am


i think it's really the belief in something without evidence. the more evidence, the less the faith. that's my personal definition.

Kalorn
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Starlock
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:51 pm


Gods, I hate it when people define faith synonymously with blind faith, no offense Kalorn. Often the people who use that sort of definition do so as a justification to demean or bash religion/spirituality; quite obviously this is against the ideal of tolerance. Every person alive has faith in something every day; faith itself is about belief and trust, only blind faith is about belief without evidence. Faith, for instance, can be trusting that the sun will rise again tomorrow or that you won't die in some car accident on the way to work tomorrow morning. It's something held with a strong conviction or trust... scientists have great faith in the scientific method just as the Christian has great faith in their omnibenevolent God.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:10 am


Starlock
Gods, I hate it when people define faith synonymously with blind faith, no offense Kalorn. Often the people who use that sort of definition do so as a justification to demean or bash religion/spirituality; quite obviously this is against the ideal of tolerance. Every person alive has faith in something every day; faith itself is about belief and trust, only blind faith is about belief without evidence. Faith, for instance, can be trusting that the sun will rise again tomorrow or that you won't die in some car accident on the way to work tomorrow morning. It's something held with a strong conviction or trust... scientists have great faith in the scientific method just as the Christian has great faith in their omnibenevolent God.
no offense taken. i didn't say evidence=no faith, but just less faith. but there is always a faith in an objective world if one wants to believe evidence.

Kalorn
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~ Jade Samadhi ~

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:48 pm


I got this from Wikipedia, but it sounded about right to me:

Quote:
In religious contexts, "faith" has several different meanings. Sometimes, it means loyalty to one's religion. It is in this sense in which one can speak of, for example, "the Catholic faith" or "the Islamic faith." For creedal religions, faith also means that one accepts the religious tenets of the religion as true. For non-creedal religions,often means that one is loyal to a particular religious community. In general, faith means being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see with your physical (as opposed to spiritual) eyes.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:30 am


Faith is the confident assurance that something can and will happen.

Fai_the_airheaded_genius


Naomi Tinuveil

PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:46 am


Faith is classified as "Believing in something blindly" Not a bad thing, it just means that you can believe in something, you know that something is there, or that it existed. Without actually having to be there and have scene it yourself.

~Asha
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:09 am


Faith is synomous with belief, for the reason that faith is belief. Belief is something held with little or no evidence.

The only things that are not beliefs are truths, of which there are only two: most Mathematics, and 'cogito ergo sum'. Nothing else is truth, it is but mere supposition, belief, faith.

chaoticpuppet
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Son of Axeman
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:51 pm


chaoticpuppet: Out of my mind, you.

I agree. Faith is belief without evidence. Simple as that.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:06 pm


I disagree, you can have faith based on evidence, incomplete or not. People have faith in evolution.

Spiritual faith to me has always been more about commitment, and less about whether or not something has been proved.

Dogmeat


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:33 pm


Faith is belief, even when it seems like you shouldn't, even when there are no physical or manifested backings for what you believe. But, hoo boy, can those backings help!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:10 am


It's the belief in something that cannot be proven. It's also trust. When I have faith in God I'm trusting that he's gonna take care of me.

freelance lover


Son of Axeman
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:31 am


Dogmeat
I disagree, you can have faith based on evidence, incomplete or not. People have faith in evolution.

Spiritual faith to me has always been more about commitment, and less about whether or not something has been proved.


If something has been proven (more or less), then you can't have faith in it, as it has been proven. That contradicts the definition of faith: belief without evidence. There is evidence, therefore you cannot have faith in it.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:28 am


Son of Axeman
Dogmeat
I disagree, you can have faith based on evidence, incomplete or not. People have faith in evolution.

Spiritual faith to me has always been more about commitment, and less about whether or not something has been proved.


If something has been proven (more or less), then you can't have faith in it, as it has been proven. That contradicts the definition of faith: belief without evidence. There is evidence, therefore you cannot have faith in it.


That is only *one* definition of faith and one that I happen to disagree with. Faith =/= blind faith. Blind faith is a type of faith, and it is unfair to define faith synonymously with only one specific type of faith. But I've commented on this earlier in the thread... go back and read my earlier post.

Other definitions of faith include (From Merriam-Webster Online):
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs

Note that only ONE Of these involves belief in something for which there is no proof. And then, what consistutes proof? Just scientific proof? That's stacking the question right there, for there are *many* kinds of proof.

Starlock
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chaoticpuppet
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:02 pm


Starlock
Other definitions of faith include (From Merriam-Webster Online):
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs

Note that only ONE Of these involves belief in something for which there is no proof. And then, what consistutes proof? Just scientific proof? That's stacking the question right there, for there are *many* kinds of proof.

Really, this is a game of semantics; one that I shall partake in.

First, definitions 2 and 3 rely entirely on belief. Definition 1 is partially applicable - the part that is applicable is dependent, again, solely on belief.

Now, we can say that if there is proof of something, it cannot be believed because it is known. To say it is believed is wrong for the reason that we have a term specifically defined for such an event. This term is knowledge. To know something means that thing has been proven. To believe something means that thing has not been proven... Again, this is a simple game of semantics.

As far as proof goes, only scientific proof is accepted. Then again, any objectively researched inquiry into the workings of some mechanism is science.
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