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 Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:21 pm
So, even all through 2004 (and possibly earlier than that), to the early 2010s, to even now, in 2018, we're still having this conversation or rather "debate" between "reals" and "created wrestlers". Before we get into that, I'd just like to point out the word "Role-play". The definition? it means what it says. You're playing a role. This guild is heavily influenced off the use of real wrestlers, because most of us just simply like to play a role, and we're doing just that.
The dice system? completely optional. People like to criticize it by only seeing what they see, and not actually taking a proper look around. There's been plenty of matches executed without the use of dice. Both in terms of performing moves, or executing the finish to a match. The only time dice isn't used is when there's storytelling to get something specific across. When there is dice, it's just an exhibition match to let things take on a life of it's own from there and we follow through with what's decided. Overall, the dice? completely optional.
Some prefer to just play the role of a created wrestler. Some prefer to play the role of a created wrestler who thinks they know everything and anything about wrestling in general when they're really just a huge mark for the art in general, and that's okay. At the end of the day, it's all for fun. Certain individuals declare any guilds with reals as "instant noob guilds", when again, it's all for fun. Just a hobby. It is taken seriously but not to a point where we'd literally get mad and think someone can't be realistic. I mean come on, from what I've seen--some created wrestlers aren't even humans, which isn't very realistic. But who cares right? again, just for fun.
And for one, created wrestlers are definitely allowed here. If anything, they probably get pushed the most in terms of character development and direction. We teach them a few things before they go off elsewhere.
Some say to respect your favorite wrestler by not playing them, but it's basically the same as having your favorite wrestler as your profile picture on whatever social media site. Obviously you're not them, but you're showing respects by representing them. As far as role-playing a dead wrestler, some say that's disrespectful too. In my opinion, no, it's not. It's the same thing as representing them. I'd say the only time it's disrespecting them is if you're just being completely silly and trashing their name, but if you're roleplaying as a dead wrestler and wrestling exactly as they would if they were alive still, then go ahead and HAVE FUN with it.
Remember guys. Don't take roleplay too seriously. It's just a hobby, and it's not like when you're going to apply for a job, you're gonna put on a resume that you were the heavyweight champion in a roleplaying guild, on the computer, on a dress-up kids game.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:58 pm
The created wrestlers community, well, mostly Chrono, who's the most expressive of them, likes to bash us because we "only post entrances and gifs, have incoherent matches, and roll dice".
Back in 2015, a "member" of our community by the name of Wansel or "Joseph Korklan" decided to go to the G-fedder's wrestling RP social guild and was eaten alive by their community. To clarify, Wansel has never really been part of us, he's never achieved anything in either TNWF, TNW:R or CWF. Wansel does NOT represent us in anyway, not even close. Wansel was a noob who was very immature and delusional, and it's a good thing he's gone, most likely for good. He wanted to unite both communities by creating a single entity in which reals and created wrestlers all lived in peace. An ambitious idea, but alas, very unlikely.
Now, on to the main topic.
"Post entrances and gifs": I understand very well that roleplaying is heavily text-based. It tests your creativity to the limit as you have you to come up with ideas and stories that would best suit the role you are playing. Both storytelling and creativity are not optional in roleplay, or atleast GOOD roleplaying, all of this through text. Now, text is a form of communication. You're communicating what your character is doing, feeling, and thinking, along with the environment surrounding him. Now, there are other ways of communicating what you want to transmit to the receiver. I see nothing wrong with wanting to complement what you're communicating through text with images, graphics or gifs. It's just another way of enhancing your roleplay, as it adds to what you've written and could clear doubts on the receiver's end. I don't see WHY it would deteriorate the message sent through text. Of course, if we were to only post the entrances through gifs, with scarce text, I see why it'd merit bashing, but this isn't the case. Since some of us play reals, we have so many existing visual resources to choose from, and if we play created wrestlers, we also create them. There is no way adding images and/or gifs can NOT enhance roleplaying.
"have incoherent matches": Sure, in the past, some community members have had badly written matches due to them not understanding the art of pro wrestling thoroughly. Since a few years back, though, this hasn't been the case. We understand wrestling well, and how they're supposed to be paced as if they were taking place in real life instead of a video game. We no longer have members roleplaying as if they were completely fresh in their singles match while the match has reached it's 10th page. It's something we've been able to correct and is no longer a problem.
"roll dice": I understand well that the G-fedders have been able to execute their matches without the need of dice and will continue to do so until the community's inevitable death. The dice system, in my opinion, should not be bashed on. It adds the surprise factor to roleplaying and no one knows exactly what will happen if a match isn't story-driven. During story-driven matches, the dice is not needed and is mostly left out so both RPers can flesh out the story that they choose to write. If the G-fedders are going to bash the dice, why don't they bash OG roleplaying games like Dungeons & Dragons? Or board games like Monopoly, where your success depends on what you roll and the decisions you make? To me, the dice is innovative, dynamic, and it's exciting, and we made wrestling roleplay even more game-like, I mean, if it weren't fun, I don't see why we'd continue to use it after 8+ years. The dice does not let subjective human intervention ruin the finishes of matches. Instead, lady luck takes care of it and guides us to a result that no one can negate. Let's compare two events: WWFG's Royal Rumble and CWF's Royal Rumble. As of now, April 22nd, 2018, the Royal Rumble in WWFG has not been completed despite having 10 competitors less than CWF's, and when it will reach the end of the match, it will be a big, convoluted mess like past years. CWF's Royal Rumble? Played smoothly, had a clean finish without any controversy, and with an impressive number of pages and posts (1000+ in less than a week). We're comparing the G-fedder's BIGGEST (statistically) and oldest fed vs. a 'noob' guild that plays reals. But, why? Aren't 'you', the bigger, better, more organized, more 'mature' community? I'd like for Chrono or anyone else that bashes our fed to answer this objectively.
I'd like to clarify, I am not trying to bash the G-fedders, or cause beef with them. I just want to show them once and for all, that despite us playing our favorite reals, we can roleplay and are not 'noobs'. We refuse to be considered less than you. You like to claim that we 'have no respect', but that isn't true. We respect your craft, but we will not openly express it if you decide to bash ours. This cold war isn't necessary since we all have a common interest, and that's a love for pro wrestling roleplay.
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:24 pm
And just to add on, the only reason why we even USE gifs in our posts is to showcase that the character we're playing actually did the move in case there's doubts and someone is ready to call something "unrealistic" as if the wrestler did not do the move. For example, if someone were to post Brock Lesnar going for a shooting star press, well, here's a gif of him actually doing the move so you can't say he doesn't do it or never did.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:20 pm
Different strokes for different folks! cool
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:17 pm
You're correct, Cart, not everyone thinks the same, hence, an alternative will always exist. For example, our community was made specifically to cater to what we wanted, to what we desired. I see nothing wrong with preferring to do what you want to do, what makes you happy; but unfortunately, a certain so-called God thinks this is like comparing capitalism against communism, where he believes one system is better and the other is an evil virus of Satan. In reality, it's like comparing two cultures. You can't say a culture is perfect, as a culture is created by a group of humans, and by default, a culture is imperfect. Each and every culture has their positives and negatives. It'd be absolutely absurd to state one is better, when in the grand scheme of things, both were born with the same interest and purpose: virtually stepping into the squared circle and have fun while doing it. Now, don't get it twisted, I am not saying we HAVE to unite, but I don't see why we should brand eachother as 'noobs'. I do not seek unification, what I do seek is something even better, mutual respect.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:49 am
Pugilistic Prowess You're correct, Cart, not everyone thinks the same, hence, an alternative will always exist. For example, our community was made specifically to cater to what we wanted, to what we desired. I see nothing wrong with preferring to do what you want to do, what makes you happy; but unfortunately, a certain so-called God thinks this is like comparing capitalism against communism, where he believes one system is better and the other is an evil virus of Satan. In reality, it's like comparing two cultures. You can't say a culture is perfect, as a culture is created by a group of humans, and by default, a culture is imperfect. Each and every culture has their positives and negatives. It'd be absolutely absurd to state one is better, when in the grand scheme of things, both were born with the same interest and purpose: virtually stepping into the squared circle and have fun while doing it. Now, don't get it twisted, I am not saying we HAVE to unite, but I don't see why we should brand eachother as 'noobs'. I do not seek unification, what I do seek is something even better, mutual respect. All it boils down to is are you having fun doing it this way?! If so, that's all that matters! cool I personally prefer having as many options available to tell stories as possible, the dice roll random element can make the flow of writing matches go all over the place in past experience! Your D&D analogy for it is a good example though of why others may choose to use it! A fed where promo/storyline direction was decided by dice roll could probably result in some surprising/funny results based on who's writing!
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:22 pm
I find it humorous that 'some' people are constantly throwing shade at OPINIONS that were stated many, many years ago. Opinions change, just because someone said something years ago doesn't mean they say the same thing now. Perhaps you should take account of THE POST DATE before you get butthurt. Somethings were said ages ago.
Of course 'some' people like to constantly be butthurt because their feelings were hurt when they were what 7? I digress
Apparently 'age' is an issue right? Like what does it matter what age people who roleplay are? It doesn't evidently it does to some people.
News flash kiddos SOME people are older than I am RPing here, the creators of gaia themselves are in their late 40s...
But hey you gotta have your dignity and go Oh RPIng is for people in high school or younger.
Or throwing shade for no reason, but they want what was it? 'Mutual respect'
Yes mutual respect
Remember, 'I' came to 'your' community because I asked if a specific member who personally attacked ours was a representative of your side and if that is how YOU chose to represent yourselves.
Because that path would deter people away from expanding the communities.
Not once did I say ban this person, not once did I say do any kind of action towards this person.
Some of you denied it (that being a representative to your community), some of you decided to troll.
Obviously we know where some of those people stand (and that individual's account was banned by the way and I suspect that if 'some' people continue on, more will come.)
Or let's insult someone's guild on their main page, when you do it?
Lol it's fine
but when 'we' do it? Yeah some people get butthurt.
But wah waaaah mutual respect.
What about making fake profiles mocking our characters
Get a ******** life
and what character's do in their personal life has absolutely nothing to do in the ring. It enhances their stories, their characters.
If people have problems with it, then obviously they can go back to copying bios from wikipedia.
Like I stated earlier IN THIS VERY GUILD
I do not give a ******** what you guys do, I told the guild owner who recruited me
this guild is not for me because I didn't like the style and stated why.
Wasn't throwing shade, wasn't insulting people.
I even said 'you be you, I'll be me. You do your own thing, and I'll do it mine.'
SOME people informed their own opinion based on that
because they got butt hurt by s**t that was said years ago
OVER
FIVE
YEARS
AGO
So again before some t**t, and yes I fully expect some t**t to edit my posts
I do not care what you guys do
I really do not, you be you.
We'll do things our way, you do it whatever you want.
But if you're basing everything you do off of one person's opinion
and if you're constantly making threads insulting, and mocking and all of those things to try and justify your actions....
You're only proving that one individual right
Because I mean you spend all your time mocking, insulting and all of that s**t
but you do nothing to prove that person wrong, or the doubters.
You're so focused on being hypocritical to the path that you seek.
'Mutual respect'
No one can respect you when you're acting like a c**t.
So again
I do not give a ******** how, what or who you RP as, and how you do it.
Neither should you with what I do.
s**t was said years ago, deal with it.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:14 pm
Chrono Q Clepsydra I find it humorous that 'some' people are constantly throwing shade at OPINIONS that were stated many, many years ago. Opinions change, just because someone said something years ago doesn't mean they say the same thing now. Perhaps you should take account of THE POST DATE before you get butthurt. Somethings were said ages ago. These opinions were stated "many" years ago, but they're still relevant today, are they not? I'd assume so. And even if someone's way of thinking may have changed, it would've certainly not been as much compared to then. Chrono Q Clepsydra Of course 'some' people like to constantly be butthurt because their feelings were hurt when they were what 7? I digress Apparently 'age' is an issue right? Like what does it matter what age people who roleplay are? It doesn't evidently it does to some people. News flash kiddos SOME people are older than I am RPing here, the creators of gaia themselves are in their late 40s... But hey you gotta have your dignity and go Oh RPIng is for people in high school or younger. Just erase this. This whole point right here holds no validation. It really doesn't matter what age people started roleplaying, or how old they are now doing it. And I didn't see where, or how this was even brought about. But overall, yeah, no one cares about that. Chrono Q Clepsydra Or throwing shade for no reason, but they want what was it? 'Mutual respect' Yes mutual respect There's a reason behind everything. People talk. And people continue to talk, and act as if no one here is watching. And just a newsflash, it doesn't just revolve around you, or what any of your people do. There's other people out there. Chrono Q Clepsydra Remember, 'I' came to 'your' community because I asked if a specific member who personally attacked ours was a representative of your side and if that is how YOU chose to represent yourselves. Because that path would deter people away from expanding the communities. Not once did I say ban this person, not once did I say do any kind of action towards this person.= Some of you denied it (that being a representative to your community), some of you decided to troll. Obviously we know where some of those people stand (and that individual's account was banned by the way and I suspect that if 'some' people continue on, more will come.) There's..... another guild... that does what we do too.... TNW:R, I'm sure you've heard of it.... that guy belonged to them... that place has nothing to do with this one...... this place has completely separate people... TNW:R is a disgrace.... and yeah, his account was banned, but it did nothing anyways.. he just made a new one with the same items again because it's just.... roleplay... and it's just a roleplay account.. which holds no real value, compared to an account like yours. Chrono Q Clepsydra Or let's insult someone's guild on their main page, when you do it? Lol it's fine but when 'we' do it? Yeah some people get butthurt. But wah waaaah mutual respect. What about making fake profiles mocking our characters Get a ******** life If you're talking about Bruce's "quote" on our homepage, we let people put whatever they want on their opinion of our guild. Your guild isn't the only one that was compared, or insulted, as you can see. As for the fake profile skeleton, oh well. I'd say just trade in that paper-thin skin for some tough leather. At the end of the day, that's just forgotten about anyways. If it's a big deal to you, then I'm sorry. Chrono Q Clepsydra and what character's do in their personal life has absolutely nothing to do in the ring. It enhances their stories, their characters. If people have problems with it, then obviously they can go back to copying bios from wikipedia. Again, another invalidated point right here. No idea where you're even getting at here. Nobody.. here does that.. lol.. Chrono Q Clepsydra Like I stated earlier IN THIS VERY GUILD I do not give a ******** what you guys do, I told the guild owner who recruited me this guild is not for me because I didn't like the style and stated why. Wasn't throwing shade, wasn't insulting people. I even said 'you be you, I'll be me. You do your own thing, and I'll do it mine." You're more than welcome to leave. Chrono Q Clepsydra SOME people informed their own opinion based on that because they got butt hurt by s**t that was said years ago OVER FIVE YEARS AGO Again, these opinions are still relevant today, and these opinions have not changed by certain members of your community. Chrono Q Clepsydra So again before some t**t, and yes I fully expect some t**t to edit my posts No, your posts will NOT be edited. Chrono Q Clepsydra I do not care what you guys do I really do not, you be you. We'll do things our way, you do it whatever you want. But if you're basing everything you do off of one person's opinion and if you're constantly making threads insulting, and mocking and all of those things to try and justify your actions.... The world doesn't revolve around you. You're not the only one who holds these opinions. Chrono Q Clepsydra You're only proving that one individual right Because I mean you spend all your time mocking, insulting and all of that s**t but you do nothing to prove that person wrong, or the doubters. You're so focused on being hypocritical to the path that you seek. 'Mutual respect' No one can respect you when you're acting like a c**t. So again I do not give a ******** how, what or who you RP as, and how you do it. Neither should you with what I do. s**t was said years ago, deal with it. There just isn't mutual respect for you. But there definitely is for other people of the other community, since they've actually.. took part in matches here, and other guilds like this one, and actually gave it a try, with more than one match. But yeah. Again, this doesn't revolve around just you. You're just the only one who head on takes it on.
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The Game TripIe H Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:39 pm
My name was dropped I responded accordingly to the points that were addressed based on this thread, that lead to this thread https://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=25243851&page=lastAs far as 'I' know, if those opinions are still 'valid' today does it really matter? If one person thinks you're s**t, and one person thinks you're the s**t, you're certainly going to (and hopefully) dwell on the later and not the former. The age thing? It's constantly being brought up with the 'What are you 30?' lines. Shouldn't matter like you stated. If no one cared it wouldn't be brought up, simple as that. That was a point I addressed, simply put. Let people talk, that means they're giving you attention. What they do shouldn't matter. If what 'our' people do doesn't bother you, and what other people do, do. Why through shade at the former, not the later. Regardless I don't care. Just again addressing that point. If the guild does what you do, then one can certainly think that you're all together. Whether it's a disgrace or not, I simply asked if he represented yours, and if that's how you want to represent yourself 'IF" he did. Again like I stated, some denied it, some trolled. It was an inquiry, not a witch hunt. I stated my concerns, and moved on. As far as the quote goes or the profile. It's not about me, I deleted the later and shrugged my shoulders at what waste of time it was to make it. As far as the quote goes, he's never been in my guild and has no basis to judge. But he certainly got insulted when someone did to him what he did to us no? Yep, else he wouldn't be making more and more shots. Again if he wants 'Mutual Respect' then he wouldn't be doing those things. I'm merely pointing out the hypocritical nature of that. The what the characters do outside of the ring, obviously is an 'invalid' point but it was once again brought up. Some of our side does outside RPs outside of the ring, not sure why it's a problem for some of yours. Regardless moving on As far as what opinions of others have Again, why do you care? Example: I think Roman Reigns is a piece of garbage and I want to take a huge s**t in 'his yard' Other people like him. I don't think the world revolves around me, BUT my name (and as far as I can see in these threads) no one else's name was mentioned. So I'm only addressing 'my' opinion and my thoughts on the matter. Simple as that.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:47 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:12 pm
That's what I'm curious about! xd I didn't even know that division existed!
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:58 pm
Like I said, some t**t editing threads.
and I can't edit it back or anything. I suppose I'll have to get gaia moderators to take a look at it and delete it.
It's not about 'thick skin' or whatever, it's ******** stupid as hell and simply proves right what 'Those people' says about you guys, you know that reputation that you so desperately are trying to increase.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:03 am
Chrono Q Clepsydra Like I said, some t**t editing threads. and I can't edit it back or anything. I suppose I'll have to get gaia moderators to take a look at it and delete it. It's not about 'thick skin' or whatever, it's ******** stupid as hell and simply proves right what 'Those people' says about you guys, you know that reputation that you so desperately are trying to increase. For someone who's not bothered, you're doing a lot of cursing there, Mr. Professional!
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:21 am
Renee Young For someone who's not bothered, you're doing a lot of cursing there, Mr. Professional!
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