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"Superhero" IS a trade mark!

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Strideo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:57 am


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:53 pm


This'll go over about as well as Paris Hilton's attempt to trademark the phrase "that's hot".

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:21 pm


Well see here's the thing. They don't just "claim" ownership.

They DO own it. Marvel and DC have had a joint trademark on the word since 1981.

Taken from the US Patent and Trademark website:

Word Mark SUPER HEROES
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: PUBLICATIONS, PARTICULARLY COMIC BOOKS AND MAGAZINES AND STORIES IN ILLUSTRATED FORM [(( ; CARDBOARD STAND-UP FIGURES; PLAYING CARDS; PAPER IRON-ON TRANSFER; ERASERS; PENCIL SHARPENERS; PENCILS; GLUE FOR OFFICE AND HOME USE, SUCH AS IS SOLD AS STATIONERY SUPPLY;] NOTEBOOKS AND STAMP ALBUMS )). FIRST USE: 19661000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19661000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 73222079
Filing Date July 3, 1979
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition June 9, 1981
Registration Number 1179067
Registration Date November 24, 1981
Owner (REGISTRANT) Cadence Industries Corporation a.k.a. Marvel Comics Group and DC Comics Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 575 Madison Ave. New York NEW YORK 10022

(LAST LISTED OWNER) DC COMICS PARTNERSHIP BY ASSIGNMENT NEW YORK 1700 BROADWAY NEW YORK NEW YORK 10019

(LAST LISTED OWNER) MARVEL CHARACTERS, INC. CORPORATION BY ASSIGNMENT DELAWARE 10474 SANTA MONICA BOULEVARD SUITE 206 LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA 90025
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record JONATHAN D. REICHMAN
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20020819.
Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 20020819
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


PS - As far as I know DC Comics pretty much did invent/popularize the concept with Superman back in 1938.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:23 pm


Damn... owned.

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magnumT

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:11 am


If in need of using the term 'superhero' in any of your work, you can always use Supers/Capes/Metahumans/Superhumans/Mutants/Underwear Perverts instead!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:01 am


NeoBlue

They DO own it. Marvel and DC have had a joint trademark on the word since 1981.

PS - As far as I know DC Comics pretty much did invent/popularize the concept with Superman back in 1938.


" . . . but the first appearance of Superman is widely considered the point at which the superhero genre truly began." -Wikipedia

Geez, shows what I know. xp

I see. DC comics did do more to popularize the term than anyone else so I'll admit then that they should take credit for popularizing the term. As to whether or not they invented the term I'm not really sure but it seems posible, can anyone name a pre-Super Man character commonly refered to as a superhero? I can't think of any.

I suppose the only queston then would be: should DC and Marvel have been allowed to claim ownership of the term in 1981 after it had been in common use for over 40 years, even in common use by other media companies? Or has the term not been commonly used by other media companies? I was under the impression that it was.

Strideo


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:04 pm


So wait: if DC and Marvel OWN the word "superhero" then does that mean Image is in trouble for creating "superhero" comics? And does that also mean that other "superhero" comics cannot be made unless it's under the watchful Big Brother-esque eyes of DC or Marvel?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:57 pm


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So wait: if DC and Marvel OWN the word "superhero" then does that mean Image is in trouble for creating "superhero" comics? And does that also mean that other "superhero" comics cannot be made unless it's under the watchful Big Brother-esque eyes of DC or Marvel?


That is so totally not how coypright/trademark works.

Them having a trademark on the word Super-Hero means you cannot have a product or character called Super-Hero, the "concept" of a super-hero cannot be trademarked or copyrighted.

For example: If I wanted I could create a book about a guy with Spider-Powers. Marvel does not own the concept. However, if I were to make it about a high school kid who got his powers from a radioactivity experiment whos parents are dead and he lives with his aunt and uncle and he uses his powers inapporpriately untill his uncle is killed as a result? Then Marvel could sue my a** up and down. Because that concept is copyrighted.

Now, say I come up with a totally original concept for the book, and call it "The Spider-Man From Mars" Marvel could totally sue me because the word "Spider-Man" is trademarked by them, and I cannot use it in the title of my product.

Super Hero Happy Hour had to change its name to Hero Happy Hour, not because the book dealt with super-heroes, but because the word "Super Hero" was in the title of their book.

Marvel and DC do not own the concept of a super-hero. That is far too broad an idea to be copyrighted. They do however, own the trademark, which is basically the words "Super" and "Hero" when used together as the name/title of a character or product.

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Strideo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:39 pm


It still doesn't seem right that they could trademark the term in 1981 after it was already so widely used stare

So, does this mean if I'm watching a non-DC/Marvel movie and a character says "Who do you think you are!? Some kinda superhero?" that they would have to licence that word for the line? confused I guess so . . .
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:57 pm


Strideo
It still doesn't seem right that they could trademark the term in 1981 after it was already so widely used stare

So, does this mean if I'm watching a non-DC/Marvel movie and a character says "Who do you think you are!? Some kinda superhero?" that they would have to licence that word for the line? confused I guess so . . .


No. It doesn't. Not at all.

I'm tired of trying to explain this.

Google trademark law and educate yourself.

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Yujiko-chan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:38 pm


magnumT
If in need of using the term 'superhero' in any of your work, you can always use Supers/Capes/Metahumans/Superhumans/Mutants/Underwear Perverts instead!


The funny part is that Justice League Unlimited has been using the term "Metahumans" lately . . .

Quite honestly though, I get the feeling sometimes that not even copyright lawyers totally understand copyright laws . . .
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:46 pm


Actually DC primarily uses "Meta" because Marvel's got a lock on "Mutant"

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magnumT

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:10 am


I'm sure DC used the term 'mutant' a few times - certainly in Grant Morrisson's run on JLA - even in the DC Encyclopaedia. However 'Meta' is a nicer blanket term that covers all superpowered beings, as opposed to Marvel's use of 'mutants' meaning 'OH HAY GUYS A MINORITY GROUP (even if the majority of them look like movie stars and supermodels only with cool superpowers) LOOK AT THEM BEING OPPRESSED WE ARE MAKING A VALID SOCIAL POINT LOL'.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:58 am


To be fair, the concept was created back in the day when it actually WAS a new social point to be made.

And well, there ARE movie stars and supermodels who belong to minority groups.

But yeah, that Not-Hulk military guy in that episode of JLU was using "Metahuman" to cover just about everyone with superpowers that didn't come from a magic stick or whatever.

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