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 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:05 pm
If anyone's visited the offical Lemony Snicket site recently, he (or she!) may have noticed the '13 Shocking Secrets you'll wish you never knew about Lemony Snicket'. I thought I'd give my thoughts on the first twelve. I'm leaving out the last one because you have to figure it out yourself and I didn't want to spoil it for anyone although once you all do, I'm sure you'll all agree it's not really anything worth discussing. Anyway, here are twelve of the Shocking Secrets:
1) Lemony Snicket is not who you think he is. - Oooo, this could mean so much or so little. Maybe he's really a villan, most of us think he's a good guy. But he often suggests that the general public believes he's a villan, so perhaps he's innocent. Maybe this means he's not the taxi driver (that's who I think he is). Or maybe it just means that he's Daniel Handler. Oh, so many maybe-s.
2) Lemony Snicket is one of three siblings. - No real discussion here. Kit and Jaques, I think we've all figured that out by now.
3) Lemony Snicket's neice is an orphan. - Ok, so this either means that in the next book, Kit gives birth to a girl and then dies -or- Jaques had a daughter whose mother is dead. I was thinking, if we go this route, that maybe it's Fiona. I mean, Widdershins was really her stepfather, right?
4) Lemony Snicket is wanted for arson. - I'm pretty sure this is mentioned at one point in the books. Probably why 'everyone' thinks he's a criminal. Maybe he was framed by Count Olaf?
5) Lemony Snicket grew up with a terrible villain. - Hmmm... Originally I was thinking Count Olaf was his brother, I mean, we don't really know his last name. But then that means either Kit or Jaques isn't his sibling since he is 'one of three' as stated in Shocking Secret #2. He is, however, possibly related somehow if he is represented by 'O' in the family tree in TUA, so maybe they did grow up together...?
6) Lemony Snicket attended boarding school. - I'm going to go with Prufrock Prep on this one. Perhaps this is a stage in VFD training/recruitment?
7) When he was a baby, Lemony Snicket was kidnapped by a secret organization. - I think we can be fairly certain that this is VFD.
8 ) Lemony Snicket was fired from The Daily Punctilio. - We see this in TUA, he was fired for critisizing the 'play' that replaced 'The World is Quiet Here'.
9) Lemony Snicket helped Beatrice commit a serious crime before her death. - I'm thinking it was stealing the sugar bowl from Esme. I was also wondering if she might have somehow been involved in murdering Count Olaf's parents via poisoned darts.
10) Lemony Snicket was disguised as a bullfighter when he was captured. - I believe this incident is described in one of the books (TUA?). It was, if I'm not mistaken, at one of the Duchess of Winnipeg's (yay Winnipeg!) masquarades.
11) Lemony Snicket's work is filled with secret messages for his associates. - This makes me wonder if the message in TPP said by Frank/Ernest/Dewey was meant for an associate or something that was actually said.
12) Lemony Snicket has a tatoo of an eye on his ankle. - Pfft! No Shite Sherlock...
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:20 pm
I just finished them myself. Some of them we already figured out by now but here are my thoughts:
#1: Not sure what to make of it. Did you noticed there was something about the taxi driver in I believe the section on book 2 or 3?
#2: Yeah. Him, K and J.
#3: I was thinking Kit would have a daughter too. Does the definition of orphan mean both parents are dead or can it be that only one is?
#4: It seemed pretty clear that the Daily Punctilo (sp?) was framing him for Olaf's deeds in the books and TUA.
#5: I was curious about this one too. It's hard to tell whether that meant familial relations or something more like a roomate. Which makes it more intriguing since it's on the page discussing Olaf. I had this amusing image of LS and Olaf being roomies in the boarding school. ^^;
#6: Prufrock Prep as well. It's highly suggested that it's a VFD training place in TUA.
#7: Yeah VFD. See TUA.
#8: Yeah see TUA again.
#9: Yeah I'd say the sugar bowl. You can connect that with what he says in one of the books...don't remember which one I think it's either TCC or before that maybe TVV? and then with what Esme says in TEE. It be interesting though if there was any other collaborations.
#10: Yeah he mentions the scene twice in the books and it's at the Duchess' party.
#11: Hm, that's an interesting point. It still amazed me that he spoke it. ^_^;
#12: Eye tattoo. Yeah we figured this out by now.
# 13: I won't post it either, but it intriguied me as well. Like the first one it can say so little or so much. ^^
And the cover for the Beatrice Letters is pretty! ^__^
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:44 pm
rurouni_starchild #3: I was thinking Kit would have a daughter too. Does the definition of orphan mean both parents are dead or can it be that only one is? I was almost certain it had to be both until I looked it up in the dictionary: "n. child whose parents are dead; child whose father or mother is dead. - adj. 1. of such children. 2. without a father or mother or both." So, if Dewy is the father of Kit's child, then maybe she doesn't have to die in the next book. Unless Snicket is using what I consider to be the 'common' definition in which both of the child's parents have died. At one point in the books (THH?) when the Baudelaires discover that one of their parents may be alive, doesn't it say something like 'if they were in fact still orphans'? This leads me to believe that Snicket (like I) uses the definition that both parents must be dead for one to be an orphan.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:52 pm
Mara Mylenne rurouni_starchild #3: I was thinking Kit would have a daughter too. Does the definition of orphan mean both parents are dead or can it be that only one is? I was almost certain it had to be both until I looked it up in the dictionary: "n. child whose parents are dead; child whose father or mother is dead. - adj. 1. of such children. 2. without a father or mother or both." So, if Dewy is the father of Kit's child, then maybe she doesn't have to die in the next book. Unless Snicket is using what I consider to be the 'common' definition in which both of the child's parents have died. At one point in the books (THH?) when the Baudelaires discover that one of their parents may be alive, doesn't it say something like 'if they were in fact still orphans'? This leads me to believe that Snicket (like I) uses the definition that both parents must be dead for one to be an orphan. Yeah I think it said something like that, though I think in that case they were wondering which parent was alive since pg. 13 of the file only mentioned one survivor. But yeah, dunno which definition he's using...oh and I think it makes it clear or alludes strongly that Dewey is the father of Kit's child in TPP (something like "leaving the woman he loved, pregnant and distraught").
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:19 pm
gonk I can't work out the 13th. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:04 pm
Quote: 5) Lemony Snicket grew up with a terrible villain. - Hmmm... Originally I was thinking Count Olaf was his brother, I mean, we don't really know his last name. But then that means either Kit or Jaques isn't his sibling since he is 'one of three' as stated in Shocking Secret #2. He is, however, possibly related somehow if he is represented by 'O' in the family tree in TUA, so maybe they did grow up together...? Well, I thought about this one too sweatdrop
I doubt you have to be related to someone to 'grow up with them'. As in maybe he was a best friend or something along those lines, then again maybe it was his parents xp ( Random.. >.> )
But the family tree kind of confuzzled me ;-_-
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:34 pm
Kawaii-Star gonk I can't work out the 13th. sweatdrop It should be pretty simple if you got all the answers correct. And even if you miss one, you should then have enough letters to figure it out. Search the books if you need a refresher. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:54 am
Gah! The site won't load! gonk
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:21 pm
I think I worked it out,but it doesn't make sense. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:43 pm
Reese_Roper Gah! The site won't load! gonk Make sure you have the Adobe Acrobat Reader, you need it to download the Secrets. Then just wait A LONG TIME. I know on my computer it took a super long time for them to load.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:56 am
More stuff I gathered from thequietworld.com
# 5- People also suggested this might be The Man With No Hair But Beard or The Woman With No Beard But Hair. Might explain why Lemony's so afriad to talk about them or even say their names. And this might be on the Olaf page if we take them (Olaf, MWNHBB, WWHBNB) to be siblings as some people do.
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:21 am
rurouni_starchild More stuff I gathered from thequietworld.com # 5- People also suggested this might be The Man With No Hair But Beard or The Woman With No Beard But Hair. Might explain why Lemony's so afriad to talk about them or even say their names. And this might be on the Olaf page if we take them (Olaf, MWNHBB, WWHBNB) to be siblings as some people do. Ahhh... Good point. I always wondered who Olaf's possible siblings were since, according to the family tree, he has two. BTW: Thanks for voting for my avi Rurouni... Sweet comment 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:54 am
Mara Mylenne rurouni_starchild More stuff I gathered from thequietworld.com # 5- People also suggested this might be The Man With No Hair But Beard or The Woman With No Beard But Hair. Might explain why Lemony's so afriad to talk about them or even say their names. And this might be on the Olaf page if we take them (Olaf, MWNHBB, WWHBNB) to be siblings as some people do. Ahhh... Good point. I always wondered who Olaf's possible siblings were since, according to the family tree, he has two. BTW: Thanks for voting for my avi Rurouni... Sweet comment 3nodding Yeah, I wonder if we'll get the man and woman's real names. And no prob for the voting, I saw your thumbnail and was all "Hey! I know that person!" ^_^ Hope our fellow volunteers bust you out soon! ^_~
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:41 am
rurouni_starchild Yeah, I wonder if we'll get the man and woman's real names. I'm going to go with no. Only because doesn't Lemony Snicket say he cannot bring himself to write the names down, or something like that? So, considering the books are being written by him, it's highly unlikely. Unless Beatrice mentions them in one of her letters, I'm going to guess that we may never know what they're really called.
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:16 am
Mara Mylenne rurouni_starchild Yeah, I wonder if we'll get the man and woman's real names. I'm going to go with no. Only because doesn't Lemony Snicket say he cannot bring himself to write the names down, or something like that? So, considering the books are being written by him, it's highly unlikely. Unless Beatrice mentions them in one of her letters, I'm going to guess that we may never know what they're really called. Yeah, I guess you're right. That's an interesting point about the Beatrice Letters though. Guess we'll have to wait and see. biggrin
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