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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:59 pm
many people take everything in the bible literally, some including myself, believe in more of a mixture between the bible and science, for instance, some people believe the bible is true when it says god created everything in 6 days, others might say that it was 6 million years, or something like that, and to just look at the general picture, what do you believe
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:26 pm
I believe that the bible is the living word of God and is without error or flaw. I believe that every word in the bible was chosen by God, and He wouldn't let His holy Word be corrupted. I take everything literally in the bible (except when it is obvious, like when Jesus is using a parable). biggrin
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:53 pm
the priest who was our confirmation teacher, had more flexible interpritations of the bible, and he was just such a great priest, which is why i believe that there could have been some exxagerations used to simplify things, like the first example
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:09 pm
But would it really take God 6 million years to create the universe? I mean, come on, He's God! Time means nothing to Him, He lives outside of time (as C.S. Lewis says so very clearly in Mere Christianity). He could have made the whole universe in 6 seconds if He wanted because He is outside of time. So I guess He could have taken 6 million years, but seeing as how I don't believe in the whole "dinosuars lived 64 million years ago" thing, I have no reason to believe that. (I believe that dinosaurs lived with man, and just became extinct like the many other species that have....like the wooly mammoth and the siberian tiger and the passanger pigeon and the dodo bird... And I believe that since the word "dinosaur" was made up in the 1800's, it is very likely that the word "dragon" is the exact same thing. I could find a source if you want....but you can make another thread for that whole thing) (oh and yeah, science is for examining, not setting up time-lines. They just make guesses, build theories on those guesses, and when they think they've got a nice story, they feed it into textbooks at schools.)
So basically, the six days might have been six million years, but I have not reason to believe that. I think it's fine to believe it, and it really doesn't matter. It doesn't decide whether you inherit the kingdom of God or not. biggrin
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:22 am
flyingemu27 But would it really take God 6 million years to create the universe? I mean, come on, He's God! Time means nothing to Him, He lives outside of time (as C.S. Lewis says so very clearly in Mere Christianity). He could have made the whole universe in 6 seconds if He wanted because He is outside of time. So I guess He could have taken 6 million years, but seeing as how I don't believe in the whole "dinosuars lived 64 million years ago" thing, I have no reason to believe that. (I believe that dinosaurs lived with man, and just became extinct like the many other species that have....like the wooly mammoth and the siberian tiger and the passanger pigeon and the dodo bird... And I believe that since the word "dinosaur" was made up in the 1800's, it is very likely that the word "dragon" is the exact same thing. I could find a source if you want....but you can make another thread for that whole thing) (oh and yeah, science is for examining, not setting up time-lines. They just make guesses, build theories on those guesses, and when they think they've got a nice story, they feed it into textbooks at schools.) So basically, the six days might have been six million years, but I have not reason to believe that. I think it's fine to believe it, and it really doesn't matter. It doesn't decide whether you inherit the kingdom of God or not. biggrin well 6 million, was just a number i randomly thought of, but what the thinking behind that is, is that, we trust the bible, but there is the whole evolution thing, and so what that is saying, is that there is a mixture between, what we believe as christians, and what we know through science, but it could have been 6 million years, billion years, thousand year, it might not have even involved the number 6, but thats the thinking behind it
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:47 pm
Meh... I don't think there is so much a mixture as there is a differene between christianity and science. I can trust science up to a point. I can trust when they say things like "If you add a proton to a hydrogen atom, then it becomes a helium atom" and "Temperature increases the reaction rate in a chemical reaction." Those sort of things are observations, which is what science is and should be about. But when science starts stating stuff they never observed, and just basically carefully made up, that is where I draw the line in my trust. I personally believe that the world is only tens of thousands of years old, and not billions of years old. I believe that all creation was created together, within the six days that genesis explains. I believe that dinosaurs (which were called different names back then, since the word "dinosaur" was a modern invention) roamed the earth with men, and that they just died out. I don't trust a system where they think up "logical" situations, tweak them up and make them nearly flawless, then feed them to us. Evolution? Nuh-uh, never happened. Well, that's what I believe anyway.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:30 pm
I think that the Bible was written literally but that some of it no longer applies (ex. "speaking in tongues" is no longer necessary to spread the gospel). But it really doesn't matter what I think, because I don't pretend to understand anything God does anymore. I got to thinking, "If the intellect of the Creator of the Universe is equal to mine, we are in a world of hurts." I don't want to be able to understand everything my God does or why he does it. Why would he create the mosquito? I don't know, I don't care. I won't know until I get to heaven. That's how I think about the Bible. I will know once I get to heaven if every part was to be taken literally, but until then, unless I come upon something that was obviously not meant to be taken as such, I will try to abide by what it says.
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:36 pm
To the entire evolution thing. It's all about how you interpret the information provided. You think hmmmm these look similiar therefore they must have once had a common ancestor. Or you can think hmmm these look similiar therefore they have the same Maker.
There are no transitionary fossils. This means that there is no evidence of speices changing into others. All speices show up in the fossil record fully formed.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:49 pm
i now take this post back, because neither one of us can use the bible to prove the point, and you don't believe science, and my evidence is all science, so pretty much you have no evidence, and wouldn't consider scientific evidence, so this is an endless debate, no matter how many people agree with either side
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:18 pm
flyingemu27 I believe that the bible is the living word of God and is without error or flaw. I believe that every word in the bible was chosen by God, and He wouldn't let His holy Word be corrupted. I take everything literally in the bible (except when it is obvious, like when Jesus is using a parable). biggrin Exactly. That's all I have to say. Exactly. rofl Actually, I have an incredible book I think everyone in the world should take a look at that talks about this very subject. It's really interesting, references everything it says, and is very strengthening. ^^ Mainly just the first few chapters are about this, the rest compares Christianity and Mormonism--so you don't have to read that part. But you should. 4laugh This is the title: God's Word, final, infallible, and forever: Compelling evidence for the Bible's inspiration and preservation by Floyd C. McElveen
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:24 pm
sean.co.uk I think that the Bible was written literally but that some of it no longer applies (ex. "speaking in tongues" is no longer necessary to spread the gospel). Actually, it is. If we only printed the bible in english, and christians only talked in english, how would spanish and chinese and african and all those people hear the word? I also think that everything in the Bible was written for our benefit right now. God is all-knowing. He knew what would be happening in the world at this moment, and knew what we'd need in a book that would be our guide. So he gave it to us.
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:45 pm
In it's original Hebrew/Greek, I belive in most of the Bible, leaving room for human error. In it's translated English versions, I take very little of it at face value.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:53 pm
flyingemu27 But would it really take God 6 million years to create the universe? I mean, come on, He's God! Time means nothing to Him, He lives outside of time (as C.S. Lewis says so very clearly in Mere Christianity). He could have made the whole universe in 6 seconds if He wanted because He is outside of time. So I guess He could have taken 6 million years, but seeing as how I don't believe in the whole "dinosuars lived 64 million years ago" thing, I have no reason to believe that. (I believe that dinosaurs lived with man, and just became extinct like the many other species that have....like the wooly mammoth and the siberian tiger and the passanger pigeon and the dodo bird... And I believe that since the word "dinosaur" was made up in the 1800's, it is very likely that the word "dragon" is the exact same thing. I could find a source if you want....but you can make another thread for that whole thing) (oh and yeah, science is for examining, not setting up time-lines. They just make guesses, build theories on those guesses, and when they think they've got a nice story, they feed it into textbooks at schools.) So basically, the six days might have been six million years, but I have not reason to believe that. I think it's fine to believe it, and it really doesn't matter. It doesn't decide whether you inherit the kingdom of God or not. biggrin I have to point something out ..... u guys r assuming that God like us humans are bound by time, but He created it ..... so isn't reasonable that He isn't bound by time? Oh there is a documentary video that proves scientificlly that the world(earth) is young (maybe a few thousand years old but not billions), not billions of years old. And Jesus was NOT a priest or just a prophet He was and is THE SON OF GOD.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:40 pm
OutkasTeen i now take this post back, because neither one of us can use the bible to prove the point, and you don't believe science, and my evidence is all science, so pretty much you have no evidence, and wouldn't consider scientific evidence, so this is an endless debate, no matter how many people agree with either side I am willing to accept evidence, but remember that any theory is not scientific evidence. And it's all the theories that I have problems with. Everyone can agree that work = force x distance. Everyone can believe that the Actual Mechanical Advantage of a machine is always less than it's Ideal Mechanical Advantage due to friction. These things are solid facts that were observed, tested, and proven. Not everybody can believe that nothing one day exploded and formed the universe trillions of years ago. Why? Because it's a theory, and it is not proven. The job of science is to observe facts in nature, not write the history of the universe using two or three small facts that slightly back it up. That's all that I was saying. If you have any evidence, go ahead and share it. But if it's a theory, just please don't use it because it proves nothing. 3nodding
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:08 pm
flyingemu27 OutkasTeen i now take this post back, because neither one of us can use the bible to prove the point, and you don't believe science, and my evidence is all science, so pretty much you have no evidence, and wouldn't consider scientific evidence, so this is an endless debate, no matter how many people agree with either side I am willing to accept evidence, but remember that any theory is not scientific evidence. And it's all the theories that I have problems with. Everyone can agree that work = force x distance. Everyone can believe that the Actual Mechanical Advantage of a machine is always less than it's Ideal Mechanical Advantage due to friction. These things are solid facts that were observed, tested, and proven. Not everybody can believe that nothing one day exploded and formed the universe trillions of years ago. Why? Because it's a theory, and it is not proven. The job of science is to observe facts in nature, not write the history of the universe using two or three small facts that slightly back it up. That's all that I was saying. If you have any evidence, go ahead and share it. But if it's a theory, just please don't use it because it proves nothing. 3nodding ya, but what i say is scientif proof could be "theory" to you, and that does make this argument useful, all i'm saying is that maybe and attempt to put what you learn in school and what you know from the bible together isn't bad
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