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Hey guys one of the guild's favorite discussion topics is back!

Please post to vote for what you (and I mean YOU) think is the best and worst in the series for this round. If you don't vote for best and worst, then I won't count it. This will last for about a week. Your vote will also be thrown out if the FE game it is from is not stated if it is needed (Example if you vote for Ike, Marth, Marcus, or anyone else that has been in more than 1 game then you need to tell me which game you are talking about). This is mainly to avoid confusion. I will then tally the votes and the results will be posted in the next post.

It is ok to have a different opinion from everyone else, but do realize that you probably will get called out on it and have to defend it. I consider Best/Worst to be some parts fact and some parts opinion the sizes of both ends depending on the person. I hope that we continue to stay civil and nice about topics and make me feel like it's worth keeping it going.
Just as a reminder there is a possibility of spoilers so don't complain to me because you got spoiled about something.

This weeks topic is: Best/Worst Game to recommend to a new player.

Best: FE13 Honorable mentions to FE7 and FE8

Worst: FE11

Melethia's Past Picks

Best Picks

FE: FE13
Lord: Hector
Jeigan: Seth
Knight/General: FE10!Gatrie
Final Boss Music: Campaign of Fire from FE7
Dragon (Wyvern) Rider/Lord: FE10 Haar
Units: Levin!Arthur, Seth, FE9 Ike
Fighter/Warrior: Nolan
Final Boss: Fire Dragon
Myrmidon/Swordmaster: Owain
Light Magic user: Lucius
Dark Magic user: Canas
Archer/Sniper: Fe10 Shinon
Pegasus/Falcon Knight: Florina
Mage/Sage/Mage Knight: Levin!Arthur
Thief/Assassin/Rouge/Trickster: Gaius
Story: FE4
Unit of FE7: Pent
Mercenary/Hero: Raven
Nomad/Bow Knight/Ranger/Horseman: FE11 Sedgar
Est: Pellas
Ending: FE7
Cavalier/Paladin/Great Knight: Seth
Unit of 13: Avatar/MU
Red/Green Duo: Sully/Stahl with honorable mentions to Kieran/Oscar and Kent/Sain
Staff user: Safy
Skill: FE5 Wrath Honorable mentions to Galeforce, Aether, and FE13 Renewall
Parent:Greil Honorable mentions to Eliwood and Hector
Fog of War map: FE7 Chapter 18E/19H
Win Conditions: Defend for X turns
Sibling: Oscar to his siblings
Prepromote: Seth
Canon Pairing: Pent/Louise
NPC: 3-13 Archer
Personal Weapon: Parallel Falchion
Refresh Unit: FE10 Reyson
Weapon Type: Anima Magic
Villain: Nergal
Camus: Ishtar
Unit of FE8: Seth
First Boss: Greil
Desert Chapter: FE8
Chapter of FE13: Chapter 18

Worst Picks

FE: FE11
Lord: Roy
Jeigan: FE1 Jeigan
Knight/General: Ardan
Final Boss Music: Applying Justice ~ Veld Battle from FE5
Dragon (Wyvern) Rider/Lord: Zeiss
Units: Worst: Fiona, Meg, Ardan
Fighter/Warrior: Dorcas
Final Boss: Veld
Myrmidon/Swordmaster: Karla
Light Magic user: Renault
Dark Magic user: Sophia
Archer/Sniper: FE9 Shinon
Pegasus/Falcon Knight: Yuuno
Mage/Sage/Mage Knight: Nino
Thief/Assassin/Rouge/Trickster: Cath
Story: FE10
Unit of FE7: Karla
Mercenary/Hero: FE11 Samson
Nomad/Bow Knight/Ranger/Horseman: FE10 Astrid
Est: Nino
Ending: FE10
Cavalier/Paladin/Great Knight: Fiona
Unit of 13: Donnel
Red/Green Duo: Noish/Alec
Staff User: Laura
Skill: Mercy Dishonorable mention to Bane
Parent: Ashnard. Dishonorable mentions to Cuan AND Ethlin for their one big idiot ball moment.
Fog of War map: FE5 Chapter 24x
Win Condition: Defeat Boss
Sibling: Zephiel to Guinevere
Prepromote: Fe3 Arran
Canon Pairing: Victor/Cigyun
NPC: Villagers in Paralogue 3 of Awakening
Personal Weapon: Chrom's initial Falchion
Refresh Unit: Tethys
Weapon Type: Bows
Villain: Veld
Camus: Selena
Unit of FE8: Ewan
First Boss: Damas
Desert Chapter: FE6
Chapter of FE13: Chapter 18

YAY!

Best: I want to go with either FE7 or FE13, since those are the ones that seem the most all-around great. But since FE13 is still relatively new in my head, I think I'm going to have to give this one to FE7. While I do love FE13 and really appreciate its fresh new changes to FE's gameplay, especially the pair-up system and the changes to reclassing, I feel as though FE7 is still the most polished and replayable game, due to the different modes, and how each mode shakes up the game and chapter structure. That, and I love how balanced FE7 is, and how every character can be made useful and be used in a different way. Story is also a deciding fact in which game is best, since gameplay and story should ideally be on an even level and work together. While neither game has my favorite story in the series, FE7 is much more even in terms of quality than FE13 is, I think. While FE13 has some high highs, it also has some lower lows. Overall, FE7 just feels the most balanced to me on all levels. This opinion might eventually change as I play FE13 again, especially since I'm on a sort of hiatus from FE7 at the moment due to having played it so darn much. But FE7 is still my most played FE, and possibly my most played game ever, despite it not being my favorite in the series. Nurp changed my answer to FE13. See later post.

Worst: In contrast to Mel, my opinion on the game actually has grown significantly more positive since the last thread. But still, even though it pains me to say it, and I still adore FE Akaneia, I can't in good conscience give worst to any other FE game than FE11. I don't feel good giving worst to an older title just because it doesn't hold up to the innovations of future games, especially since despite its spit and polish, Shadow Dragon still feels very dated. I'm not just talking about the story either. Even though the story isn't fantastic, it is simple and all it needs to be, and I wouldn't call it bad, plus it has my favorite interpretation of Marth's character in the entire series. Shadow Dragon, however, doesn't do simple and sweet as well as, say Dragon Quest though. The gameplay has been updated to suit the series' growth since the original Dark Dragon, of course. But as was previously mentioned, the gaiden chapters require going against common sense to unlock, the the maps are a bit on the blander side, and they are all samey seize chapters.
On top of that, FE12 was just so much better!
Sure, Mystery of the Emblem on the whole had a lot more to work with than Dark Dragon did, but the other improvements and innovations (some quirks aside) really show off what Shadow Dragon should have been.

Don't have much to say, but I'll give in my two cents.

Best: I'm kinda in the same boat as Tiki since I like both FE7 and FE13. However, like Tiki, I think I'm going with FE7 on this. As much as I love how FE13 has given us (aka: Reclassing, Skills to test out, Pair Up system), there are some of the things that FE13 lacks. For example, it doesn't have different types of weapons or "status condition" for us to deal in the middle of the battle like being poisoned, silenced, or berserked. Another is the sidequests. While Paralouges and DLC contest may consider as "sidequests," what I kinda miss is what we NEED to require in order to unlock the chapter and scenes that "isn't" part of the storyplot. Gods, I know how frustrated it was for me to kill Kishuna to unlock another sidequest, but it was worth it to obtain it. Last but not least is the weather condition. Sure, we have maps that give us different terrains like desert, boat, and such, but we never have fog or rain to make us stay on our toes when going offense or defense. I kinda miss the elements of surprise when having the fog map. Although I love how FE13 is given, FE7 will be my top FE game.

Worst: Although I haven't played or finished the game for years (still can't pass Chapter 2 due to not having the game with me as well as terrible default stats given to me), I have to give it to FE10. Although I like the idea that we can still get support when being two or three spaces apart, it upsets me very terribly about how the support conversation goes. Seeing how lack the support conversation is, it makes me feel that all the characters, including those who came back from FE9, are very generic. In addition, I dislikes how there is no character development for those that were introduced in FE10. The only characters that have depth background in the story are Micaiah, Pelleas, or anyone that has major affect in the storyplot. The rest are like "Herp derp, I'm a generic character but with little bit more background than the generics and I'm a playable character for you to play with. 8B" I mean, seriously? Part of what makes FE games great is the support conversation and the character developments/background of the certain character. D8< In addition, there are some characters that are quite hard to level up *coughMegandFionacough* that even with forged weapons can not help.

And speaking about development, another that I kinda dislike is the storyplot. Even though I haven't finish the game, I know quite well what happened in the storyplot and well... Let's just say, I kinda want to bash my brain out when headdesking just to get some "logical sense" in the game. >>;

Last but not least, hidden treasures. Similar to Event Tiles from FE13, but without the sparkles and pain in the arse to get it. I admit I'm liked a thief. I like to obtain EVERY item I can get within the game, whether the item is good or bad. However obtaining the item is a pain in the arse because it's based on luck to obtain it. It may be hard to locate the items, but even if you use the coordinates from Serenes Forest or others that gives out the location, you still have to base on luck in order to obtain it. I don't know how many times I have to play "Merry-Go-Round" with the Black Knight and Micaiah and with other characters just to obtain an item. 8I

Whichever developers who thought up the ideas for FE10 need to be shot in the heads.

Methink you either skimmed it too fast or you misinterpret what I said. =P

I don't have an issue about them being hidden. After all, Intelligent System did it with Secret Shop throughout the past FE games and it's up for us to try and find it. What I'm annoyed about those hidden items is that you have to land on the SAME spot for God-knows-how-many-turns. Usually, when you land on a spot, you only obtain the item ONCE just like how the previous FE games do. Not so many turns. It's like you're trying to create a support, but instead of an unit, you're trying to support with a map.

Can't remember since it's been so long when I played the GBA version. However, I know I obtained it once with other units if I'm not using the thieves to get it.

Best: FE13

Yes, the plot isn't the greatest ever in the series, but if I was voting for just story, it would go to FE4 without any doubts. And FE13 DOES have some very good points with the story. So I'm kind of neutral to it on that part. On the other hand, the gameplay is just SO good it outweighs FEs with goodish gameplay and arguably better stories enough to get "best" for me. Pair up was inspired. There are more supports to unlock than EVER. You have a totally customizable unit. The musical score is the best in the series by miles. And this is the first FE with a legitimately impressive post-game. Skills, marriages, reclassing, and more are very well handled I thought. I'm still religiously Classic-only, but Classic/Casual plus the varieties of difficulties to choose from make it enjoyable for the widest audience possible. I also considered FE4, 5, and 7 for this position but I really do think 13 has earned it.

Worst: FE11

I just want it to be known I was really torn between FE11 and FE6 for this one. A lot of complaints about FE11 people make do apply to FE6 as well. Weak story? Check. Except Roy may possibly be the worst characterized Lord character ever, and at 15 can do no wrong. I'd go so far as to argue FE6 has a weaker story. Just seize chapters? Check. The sequel (or prequel) that came after was better? Mmhmmm. FE6 has (much more generic) supports and weather conditions. FE11 has reclassing. The more I think about it, the more I feel like I have more fun playing FE11 then FE6 (which feels like it drags to play: I often feel like I have to force myself to play that whenever I do). I'm giving worst to FE11 just on how a**-backwards the gaiden requirements actually are, but I feel like it and FE6 are neck and neck. I've had fun playing both, though, and they both still have their high points. I honestly think FE6 is substantially more tiresome to play through and less fun, but it still arguably has more versatility and positive points that differentiate it.

Best: FE 9.

Worst: FE 11.