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I read the bible and found the passages on same sex relationship people. But from what I gathered, it states only the sexually immoral gay people are condemned. I need to know if anybody can shed some light on this. Because I believe in this very much.

Being gay and those wanting to be in a relationship. Also, marriage is and should be for a man and woman only. But there can be another union for them.

Whether you believe it is right or wrong doesn't matter at all. We are still called to pray for them. We are still called to love them, are we not? God's love and forgiveness is not exclusive. It doesn't not include a certain group. It doesn't push anyone away.



It's written all throughout the Bible. No one is off of God's mailing list to receive the invitation to Heaven. Everyone is invited, so it's our job as Christians to make sure they get the invitation regardless of what they say, do or believe. We need to love them the way that God loves them.

And in all seriousness, are you no better? Am I no better? Who are we to judge? We can't! We're sinners saved by grace, no more deserving the gift of salvation than anyone else. We can't judge, we can't condemn. Instead we hand out invitations, to experience God and His love and salvation.

I, personally, am a big fan of Gay Christian Network's "Side A" argument in favor of homosexual acceptance. Justin is an openly gay Bible scholar and lays out really fantastic counters to common rhetoric presented in anti-gay arguments, making a case for homosexuality being approvable under specific circumstances.

There is a "Side B" argument published there also. The man who wrote it is also an openly gay Bible scholar who believes that Jesus' silence on the subject cannot be taken as consent given that He upholds male/female marriage so strongly. The writer believes that God calls those of us with attraction to the same sex to a life of celibacy.

Both articles make good points, but unfortunately fail to address third gender folks, trans folks, polyamory, power exchange or any other folks who aren't L's and G's in the LGBTQ spectrum. confused One victory at a time I suppose.

Being gay is a sin. Christians live with all kinds of sins. I could be some compulsive liar and you wouldn't know it. I think being Gay intimidates us as Christians because the sin is so visible and in your face. They should be treated the same as anyone else who is in sin(which we all are)

A church in my area recently turned away a gay couple. It really confused me for a little bit. I highly respected this church, but they made a wrong decision. Paraphrasing but "turn away the least of these, and you turn away Christ" She made a pivotal mistake. I think gay's should be allowed in church most definitely. I also believe if the church is preaching the truth they won't want to stay. Gay people should not be pastors. They need to realize they aren't going to heaven if they are Gay, even if they proclaim themselves Christians. most churches don't preach the truth.

As far as marriage, i'm still battling with my heart. Half of me thinks yeah they should be able to get equal rights just like me and a future husband. They are people too, and they do love each other. They are deeply in sin and I do not like the idea of them "dirtying" marriage when it was a idea originally from the bible. I don't even understand why they want to be married when the whole idea is from a God who most of them think hates them..

Okay, I know I said I don't debate this anymore, but....

Marriage is not originally from the Bible. Marriage is not a Christian invention. The concept of legal marriage existed before the Bible, and before Christianity. In fact, some very common modern marriage traditions stem from Roman and Greek pagan marriage rituals (like wearing a wedding ring on your left ring finger; the Romans believed that finger had a vein that went directly to the heart, which is how and why that tradition that still survives today came about, and the groom carrying the bride over the threshold of their new, shared home also has its roots in Roman pagan wedding tradition).

Christianity does not, nor has it ever, had any sort of monopoly on the institution of marriage. I have no idea why this piece of blatant misinformation seems to be so widely professed.

And I wanted to get married (and got married) for exactly the same reason most heterosexual couples get married: because I fell in love with someone and wanted to spend the rest of my life with that person. You see, homosexuals are actually shockingly similar to real people. We bleed red and everything, no joke.

And for the record, no, I do not think that God hates me.



...wow, I'm usually not this grumpy. Please forgive me, I've had a very long day.

You didn't offend me, don't worry. I was just in a really bad mood when I posted that, so please don't take my bad attitude personally. You're not the first, nor will you be the last, to think that Christianity invented marriage.

If marriage was a purely Christian institution, only Christians would ever get married. Jews wouldn't get married, Muslims wouldn't get married, Hindus wouldn't get married, atheists and agnostics wouldn't get married...you get the picture. Christianity has been around for about 2000 years, give or take, and people were getting married long before that. Mary, mother of Jesus, was married to Joseph, was she not? And they were Jews. Jesus was Jewish, and believed that he was fulfilling Jewish prophecy of the coming of the Messiah, although obviously many Jews disagreed. It was the Jews who did believe that Jesus was their Messiah that went on to write the Bible and found Christianity.

Obviously the Bible is very important to us as Christians, but it's also important to remember that a lot of human history took place before the coming of Christ, and a lot of that history still survives in modern-day society and traditions.

There's a third documentary film dealing with gays and religion, a Jihad of Love, dealing with gay Muslims, as well as a British miniseries simply titled Gay Muslims. I have not seen either, but they seem like they have similar premises.