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 Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:16 am
These are the Prophets Mentioned in the Quran
I'll give their Arabic names on the left and English names on the right
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:27 am
Adam
Idris - Enoch
Nuh - Noah
Hud - Eber
Salih - Saleh
Ibrahim - Abraham
Ishmail - Ishmael
Issaq - Issac
Jacob - Yaqub
Yusuf - Joseph
Lut - Lot
Shuayb - Jethro
Musa - Moses
Harun - Aaron
Ayoub - Job
Shammil - Samuel
Dawud - David
Sulaiman - Solomon
Elias - Elijah
Al Yasa - Elisha
Yunus - Jonah
Sha ya - Isaiah
Aramaya - Jeremiah
Hizqeel - Ezekiel
Zechariyah - Zechariah
Yahya - John the Baptist
Isa - Jesus
Muhammad
May Allah's Peace be upon them All
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:38 am
What prophecies did those before, say, Yahya/John the Baptist make and how do they specifically relate to the Islamic faith?
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:15 am
Rednal What prophecies did those before, say, Yahya/John the Baptist make and how do they specifically relate to the Islamic faith? Prophet Yahya (John the Baptist) is a Honored Prophet in Islam I don't recall any prophecies
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:41 am
It might help to elaborate on those; my knowledge of Islam is very incomplete, but it was something like prophets before Muhammed were incomplete or failed somehow? Or... something like that? It's really not something that's talked about too much...
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:07 am
Rednal It might help to elaborate on those; my knowledge of Islam is very incomplete, but it was something like prophets before Muhammed were incomplete or failed somehow? Or... something like that? It's really not something that's talked about too much...
In Islamic Tradition there were 124,000 Prophets sent to every Nation or Civilization between the Time of Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them both)
God says in the Quran
"We did aforetime send messengers before thee: of them there are some whose story We have related to thee, and some whose story We have not related to thee. ..." Quran 40:78
"For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, ..."
Quran 16:36
Every Prophet Preached the Same Thing "Worship One God"
Monotheism
Some Prophets were accepted, others were killed, some were rejected and driven out
Prophets were Revelations from God such as
The Torah given to Moses
The Psalms given to David
The Gospel given to Jesus
The Quran given to Muhammad
(Peace be upon them All)
All the the Prophets were "Muslims" since they Submitted to the Will of God
All The Prophets Preached Islam "Submission in Peace to God's Will"
"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). (The Noble Quran, 42:13)"
"The Religion before God is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account. (The Noble Quran, 3:19)"
"They say: 'Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).' Say thou: 'Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with God.' (The Noble Quran, 2:135)"
"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to God's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with God. (The Noble Quran, 3:67)"
"Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend. (The Noble Quran, 4:125)"
The "true in Faith" or the "Religion of Abraham" that GOD Almighty accepts is believing in the Absolute One and Living GOD Almighty. This is the main point of Islam, and the belief that would ultimately guide the individual to Salvation.
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:13 am
...I'm not certain that I entirely understand prophecies and how they are related to both Islam and others. If Prophets were given a revelation from God, then we should be able to assume that the revelation is true and correct; anyone who is even capable of being incorrect cannot be a prophet, because any actual prophecy is inherently true. That's the point. I suppose it's always possible for a prophet to lie and say something other than what he was told to... but that just brings up the question "why would God pick a prophet who'd lie?", and Jesus' claim to be God could only be considered blasphemy of the highest order.
Anyway, that aside... if Jesus was a prophet of Allah, then anything he preached should have been in complete accordance with the revelations that Muhammed would later give to the Middle East area (and, okay, the rest of the world over time). There are some rather distinct differences, though; I suppose what I'm getting at is that it sounds like you're telling me that A) Allah's accepted prophets gave different messages to different people (this can be determined rather quickly by looking at the differences in the holy books of different religions), and B) Allah said that these other revelations are not going to save anybody, despite those messages including an explanation of salvation and how to get it. If, say, Christians can't be saved even though Christ (who is rather famously recorded as saying that the only way to God is through him, assuming you believe the basic truth of the gospels, even though they probably did fudge a few details because of when it was all written) was a prophet of Allah, well... yeah.
Also, if it's just that people "got the details wrong", then Allah would have intentionally created a situation where he sent a prophet, people misunderstood what that prophet said (deliberately or accidentally), and a fairly large number of people wound up in opposition to his one true faith (as revealed to Muhammed) as a direct result of his own actions.
It's a little self-contradictory here; some people might try to reason it out by saying that Allah lied, but for some reason I'm sort of expecting you to deny that he'd ever lie to his prophets. I'm just not entirely certain that I understand how previous revelations from Allah are supposed to tie into those given to Muhammed. Most people expect consistency from their deity, if only because they gladly want to follow his will and would like to be certain they know what his will actually is so it can be followed correctly.
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:50 am
God sent many Prophets To Preach the Same Message that there is only One God and to worship him.
The Followers of these Prophets changed the Message they were given to suit their own needs
Both the Noble Quran and the Bible claim that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:56 am
Okay... but why did Allah pick prophets who would change the message to suit their needs instead of prophets who would preach as they were told to? The options I can see are:
A) Allah is not omniscient, and therefore did not know that his prophets would change things
B) Allah intentionally picked prophets who would change things, leading directly to current religious conflicts
C) Somebody you think was a prophet actually wasn't
D) Allah didn't pick the prophets himself
Can't think of any more off the top of my head, though I might if I go on it for awhile. o.O Hmm.
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:04 am
Rednal Okay... but why did Allah pick prophets who would change the message to suit their needs instead of prophets who would preach as they were told to? The options I can see are: A) Allah is not omniscient, and therefore did not know that his prophets would change things B) Allah intentionally picked prophets who would change things, leading directly to current religious conflicts C) Somebody you think was a prophet actually wasn't D) Allah didn't pick the prophets himself Can't think of any more off the top of my head, though I might if I go on it for awhile. o.O Hmm.
You've misunderstood it completely
The Prophets didn't change the Message they were given by God, their followers changed the message
The Message of All the Prophets was "Submission to the Will of God" which is Islam
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:14 am
Islam existed before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and ended with him:
"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). (The Noble Quran, 42:13)"
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:20 am
Ah, well, that would certainly make a little more sense... though now it brings up the question "Why did Allah send messages that would be distorted and not take steps to insure they wouldn't be?", since if Allah chose prophets knowing that the main message would be distorted somehow, then he willingly and deliberately created prophets with the express intention of having their message fail. If he's all-knowing, then he would certainly have known this was coming. Why, then, did he do it?
I think the main difference I'm noting (the "changed message", as you'd say), is that while Islam is "Submission", Christianity is "Fellowship". That is, we don't exist just to bow down to and serve God, but to have a relationship with Him of our own free will. To talk to Him, learn from Him, and if we so choose, not submit to His will (and take on the consequences for that, naturally). You can't really have a true relationship with God if you're forced into it, after all. That negates the entire point of having the freedom to choose... which, incidentally, is as complicated as Christianity gets. You say you wanna follow God, good. You're saved. You decide you don't want to, that's fine too. I wouldn't call it the best choice... but the rest of us have no right whatsoever to try and claim the right to decide the eternal fates of others. That's strictly their decision, for good or for ill.
So, yeah. XD Just a bit of a change, methinks, in the messages of those called prophets.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:03 am
God sent Moses with the Torah and it was a Guidance for the Jews
"It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to God's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of God's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (The Noble Quran, 5:44)"
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