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Seriously, ever time, I get completely stomped by a two base+ protoss, the only time I can win is if they try some sort of 1 base air opening or a 4 gate or something. But these two base immortal pushes kill me every time and it's like there's nothing I can do about it, I've tried hit and run with lings when they push out, to cripple their economy and keep them locked up in their bases, but then they just warp in a few zealots, and all in with their retarded strong army and win anyways.

I've had perfect fungals, in a choke, with a better arc with roaches and spines, and they just forcefield back the roaches, guardian shield and tank the damage then run over my whole army. I've tried, mutas which get destroyed by the stalkers, I've tried three basing, but then they just push earlier and kill my third before I have an adequate army to protect it with, or they split me up using warp prism drops. Or they just sit back, take their own third and get cannons to defend themselves with until they have the collosus and archon tech to stomp me down with.

I've tried to engage their max 200/200 of archon, collosus, stalkers etc, with roaches, infestors, broodlords, spines and even a few ultras from time to time, and I just get s**t on, the graph at the end shows me with a massive army lead and then breaks off like a step function every time.

It's so hard to be aggressive against protoss, I feel like mutas are about the only option, but they are easily thwarted by a few cannons, or stalkers, and if you over invest they become dead weight against the deathball. But if you leave protoss alone past the 10 minute mark, they can build up such an impossible to kill army, and you lose anyways. I ******** hate this game.

I know you can really smash a lot of big immortal gateway pushes with hydras, but the thing is, it's so easy for them to throw down forcefields, pull out and begin collosus production, at which point, hydras are now dead weight, with once again zero ability to be aggressive with without like a nydus network or something.

Yeah, I feel a lot of players feel like sc2 has become somewhat of a rock paper scissors game almost.

Terran > Protoss
Zerg > Terran
Protoss > Zerg

Which is a pretty lame design for an rts in my opinion. Worst part is, I can't even think of a way to change anything that currently exists, I think it has a lot to do with the way tech paths work, and how they naturally develop in game, in particular, the transition from gateway to robo, and how zerg is build to counter those things.

The biggest problem I have with the hydra in zvp is that it's a great unit already for dealing with gateway units, void rays, and immortals, but it's too easy to transition into collosus from there, which fry hydras too easily, often times you see protoss manipulate zerg composition by forcing them to make hydras to deal with a lot of their earlier game units, and then tech swapping to collosus, and then destroying them, or the other way around, force them to make corruptors to deal with collosus, and then make nothing but immortals and gateway units, really easily, making the corruptors useless.

Also I'm not sure about the carrier thing, if it would help against terran to begin with, as air openings in PvT are so uncommon and weak due to the effectiveness of marines, it'd be really hard to make both collosus AND carriers to deal with marines, plus you have vikings, which would be effective against BOTH late game protoss units.

Aren't the templars the more common choice for PvT? I thought the marauder was more of an old problem for protoss, that they've learned to deal with, through use of immortals and forcefields, and that the new problem comes a lot from ghosts. Maybe give feedback a very slightly longer range than snipe? I dunno, I just don't see the carrier being the right unit to manipulate for TvP balance.

I know what you mean, I read an article on TL about a month ago, from a Grand Master Terran player, who talked about how the biggest problem for SC2 balance right now comes from the marine. The problem with the marine is it is just so ridiculously overpowered, that blizzard had to nerf everything else terran has to balance it, thus REALLY limiting terran's choices in composition. Because marines are so strong, they've had to balance most of the other races specifically to deal with them, which creates really ******** up situations in match ups, NOT involving the marines.

Also, I don't think Hydra survivability against collosi is really the answer, as once you make hydralisks effective against collosi, you make them effective against just about everything protoss builds, aside from perhaps templar storms. Also hydras weakness comes more from mechanics I feel rather than stats. The problem with hydras is they're not very good offensive units, as they need creep to do any sort of significant manoeuvring against collosi which are brilliantly easy to micro, also the way hydras arc out, makes collosi spread extra effective. They're also just as susceptible to force fields as roaches would be, mind you with the extended range they're a little bit more effective, but not effective enough to deal with collosi range.

I feel like the change for ZvP would have to be more from a strategy change, a meta game development, perhaps I need to analyze some Life games to figure it out, but I feel like the problem for me anyways, is the inability to be at all aggressive against protoss, without some ridiculous roach all in.

Protoss is in a unique situation. I'm not sure what can be done with them without completely rebuilding them. :/

i say not enough ultras are being used, in my games that long last enough for them to be gotten out and upped, never see any. a surround or even partial surround by ultras could allow the rest of an army to tear apart the death ball, or even just one or two to smash forcefields and push in.

pretty much what i do is harrass with bane drops. and use ling winfestors to by time for my tier 3 units. usually i hit the timing at 13-14 min and they dont have the Deathball.