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 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:28 am
Quote: Warhammer 40,000: Dark Vengeance is one of the most incredible box sets that Games Workshop has ever produced. As soon as you lift up its blood-splattered lid, you'll be faced with two astonishingly detailed armies - Dark Angels and the Chaos Space Marines of the Crimson Slaughter - and everything you need to field your own Warhammer 40,000 force. Dark Vengeance contains 49 miniatures, all of which are snap-fit plastic models - this means that glue is optional. However, this beautiful limited edition includes an exclusive Dark Angels model, Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus.  Note: the limited edition includes a plastic Interrogator-Chaplain mini. Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus. Company Commander Balthasar. Librarian Turmiel. Deathwing squad Barachiel with assault cannon and chain fist. Tactical Squad Raphael with plasma pistol, plasma gun and plasma cannon. Ravenwing squadron Arion with plasma gun and plasma pistol. Chaos Lord Kranon the Relentless. The Helbrute Mortis Metalikus with multi-melta and power fist. Draznicht's Ravagers, Chosen of Chaos. The cult of Sect Tetchvar, armed with auto guns, heavy stubber and shotgun. The cult of Sect Anarkus, armed with auto pistols, flamer and close combat weapons.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:01 am
There's an awful lot of copied minis in there. Quick count shows 16 minis of which two or more of the same are in the set. Lame GW, really lame. talk2hand
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:39 am
Well, seeing as this is a starter and the models are push-fits I'd say that it was inevitable that we'd be getting copies of the same models. I'm hoping though that the minis come with either separate heads or some other form of customisation, especially the cultist squads.
Can't win 'em all, though you still get good value for the ransom they're demanding. 49 minis plus a mini-rulebook makes it well worth the price.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:02 am
First impression:
Ok, so they decided for spacemarines ... okey, one of the armies are Chaos, but still.
First question:
(Sadly off-topic?) When did the Dark Angels shift from black to dark green in coloursceme?
Then:
Oh, huuuge sword ...... that's Cloud-length, there .... Isn't that ... too much?
.... And when did they start colouring all Librarians blue?
.... And Deathwing bone or cream?
..Oh, Ravenwing still has the original colours, it seems.
... Chaos commander, great piece of work.
"Helbrute" .. Massive and a bit gross .... but that comes with being an oversized, living, Chaos dreadnaught, i assume.
Chaos cultists!
Niiice! .... especially since several of them have massive Necromunda-vibes cat_cool
Yeah, i know, several of these comments and question might be off-topic, but they were my impressions of the box's contents.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:35 am
Looks good,
sadly there´s very little love for DA´s in the White Dwarf 393. emo
Also, apparently I don´t need to buy the black box to get the Chaplain,
Librarian and mini-rulebook. emotion_awesome
http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/the-9372/Dark-Angels-Limited-Edition/Detail
http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/the-9365/Dark-Angels-Librarian-Model/Detail
http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/the-9370/Small-Mini-6th-Edition/Detail
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:03 am
Tiina Brown (Sadly off-topic?) When did the Dark Angels shift from black to dark green in coloursceme? Dark Angels have been green since the second edition, as to why, it's in the fluff. Quote: .... And when did they start colouring all Librarians blue? Libbys always wore blue armour, its part of the fluff Quote: .... And Deathwing bone or cream? Because they wanted to honour a sacrifice they made on a world overrun with genestealers, its a pretty big part of their fluff I'm sending in someone who can explain it a bit better.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:19 am
For someone nagging about bringing back the old stuff you certainly seem to be awfully out of sync with the old stuff. wink 1. Once upon a time yes, post-Heresy Dark Angels had black armour. This was changed to green and ret-conned not to make extra sales on green paint and new minis, but rather because the 'Eavy Metal painter in question painted the studio models green instead of black. Somehow nobody spotted this goof until it was too late and instead they decided to roll with it. I'm sure that an upcoming Horus Heresy novel will give a better explanation as to why the black became green, but the current retcon is so that they cannot be mistaken by their past sins and whatnot. 2. Librarians have always been blue. Can't speak for the Angels of Death codex from the 2nd edition, but the 3rd edition Dark Angels mini-codex has blue Librarians in the gallery section. Even Ezekiel sports blue armour. If you check the on-line store of GW you will find all Librarian models there sporting blue armour. Not because some of them are Ultras, but because Librarians in most cases wear blue armour, just like how Apothecaries wear white, Chaplains midnight black and Tech Marines sport red. 3. Deathwing terminators have ALWAYS been bone coloured. Always. Or at least, as far as I can recall, which is 1990 when GW published the anthology novel DEATHWING which contains the origins of why their suits of armour are no longer black, but instead bone. It is a story by Bill King, who later wrote crap like Space Wolf and Gotrek & Felix, but redeemed himself with Macharius. Long story short, a group of ancient veterans return to their home world, planet of the ersatz Native Americans. There they find that their people are ruled over by genestealers and they decide to take revenge. They undertake the rites of the Deathwing, where they become walking dead and paint their armours bone, complete with spirit totems and tribal sigils. They win, but at a heavy cost and to remember their sacrifice the Chapter decided to keep their armours like that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:43 am
William King my friend. sweatdrop Lt. Brookman .......who later wrote crap like Space Wolf and Gotrek & Felix......
Also, William King only wrote 4 novels of the SW saga,
Son´s of Fenris and Wolf´s Honour we´re written by Lee Lightner;
A penname of 2 authors who are avid SW fans. :3Lt. Brookman Long story short, a group of ancient veterans return to their home world, planet of the ersatz Native Americans. There they find that their people are ruled over by genestealers and they decide to take revenge. They undertake the rites of the Deathwing, where they become walking dead and paint their armours bone, complete with spirit totems and tribal sigils. They win, but at a heavy cost and to remember their sacrifice the Chapter decided to keep their armours like that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:10 pm
Lt. Brookman For someone nagging about bringing back the old stuff you certainly seem to be awfully out of sync with the old stuff. wink 1. Once upon a time yes, post-Heresy Dark Angels had black armour. This was changed to green and ret-conned not to make extra sales on green paint and new minis, but rather because the 'Eavy Metal painter in question painted the studio models green instead of black. Somehow nobody spotted this goof until it was too late and instead they decided to roll with it. I'm sure that an upcoming Horus Heresy novel will give a better explanation as to why the black became green, but the current retcon is so that they cannot be mistaken by their past sins and whatnot. 2. Librarians have always been blue. Can't speak for the Angels of Death codex from the 2nd edition, but the 3rd edition Dark Angels mini-codex has blue Librarians in the gallery section. Even Ezekiel sports blue armour. If you check the on-line store of GW you will find all Librarian models there sporting blue armour. Not because some of them are Ultras, but because Librarians in most cases wear blue armour, just like how Apothecaries wear white, Chaplains midnight black and Tech Marines sport red. 3. Deathwing terminators have ALWAYS been bone coloured. Always. Or at least, as far as I can recall, which is 1990 when GW published the anthology novel DEATHWING which contains the origins of why their suits of armour are no longer black, but instead bone. It is a story by Bill King, who later wrote crap like Space Wolf and Gotrek & Felix, but redeemed himself with Macharius. Long story short, a group of ancient veterans return to their home world, planet of the ersatz Native Americans. There they find that their people are ruled over by genestealers and they decide to take revenge. They undertake the rites of the Deathwing, where they become walking dead and paint their armours bone, complete with spirit totems and tribal sigils. They win, but at a heavy cost and to remember their sacrifice the Chapter decided to keep their armours like that. What shall i say? Well, i refer to the the old Genestealer/Deathwing - supplements to the original Space Hulk, where Deathwing clearly had White armor. Oh, and all librarians had the same colours as the rest of their chapter. Oh, and into -95 and so on, i still saw Librarians the same colour as the chapter, white Deathwing, and black Dark Angels. ... In White Dwarf, unless i'm way off in my memory. But then, the white used to be called "Bone white" .....
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:23 pm
Asmondai William King my friend. sweatdrop Bill is often used to shorten William. wink
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:25 pm
Tiina Brown Lt. Brookman For someone nagging about bringing back the old stuff you certainly seem to be awfully out of sync with the old stuff. wink 1. Once upon a time yes, post-Heresy Dark Angels had black armour. This was changed to green and ret-conned not to make extra sales on green paint and new minis, but rather because the 'Eavy Metal painter in question painted the studio models green instead of black. Somehow nobody spotted this goof until it was too late and instead they decided to roll with it. I'm sure that an upcoming Horus Heresy novel will give a better explanation as to why the black became green, but the current retcon is so that they cannot be mistaken by their past sins and whatnot. 2. Librarians have always been blue. Can't speak for the Angels of Death codex from the 2nd edition, but the 3rd edition Dark Angels mini-codex has blue Librarians in the gallery section. Even Ezekiel sports blue armour. If you check the on-line store of GW you will find all Librarian models there sporting blue armour. Not because some of them are Ultras, but because Librarians in most cases wear blue armour, just like how Apothecaries wear white, Chaplains midnight black and Tech Marines sport red. 3. Deathwing terminators have ALWAYS been bone coloured. Always. Or at least, as far as I can recall, which is 1990 when GW published the anthology novel DEATHWING which contains the origins of why their suits of armour are no longer black, but instead bone. It is a story by Bill King, who later wrote crap like Space Wolf and Gotrek & Felix, but redeemed himself with Macharius. Long story short, a group of ancient veterans return to their home world, planet of the ersatz Native Americans. There they find that their people are ruled over by genestealers and they decide to take revenge. They undertake the rites of the Deathwing, where they become walking dead and paint their armours bone, complete with spirit totems and tribal sigils. They win, but at a heavy cost and to remember their sacrifice the Chapter decided to keep their armours like that. What shall i say? Well, i refer to the the old Genestealer/Deathwing - supplements to the original Space Hulk, where Deathwing clearly had White armor. Oh, and all librarians had the same colours as the rest of their chapter. Oh, and into -95 and so on, i still saw Librarians the same colour as the chapter, white Deathwing, and black Dark Angels. ... In White Dwarf, unless i'm way off in my memory. But then, the white used to be called "Bone white" ..... Lets just get back on topic and save that for another thread.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:54 pm
Vikki Stardust Tiina Brown What shall i say? Well, i refer to the the old Genestealer/Deathwing - supplements to the original Space Hulk, where Deathwing clearly had White armor. Oh, and all librarians had the same colours as the rest of their chapter. Oh, and into -95 and so on, i still saw Librarians the same colour as the chapter, white Deathwing, and black Dark Angels. ... In White Dwarf, unless i'm way off in my memory. But then, the white used to be called "Bone white" ..... Lets just get back on topic and save that for another thread. I agree (i have no more to say on the matter, anyway). ....Have any of you regulars checked how the troops in the box play yet? (As in "are they balanced or not" and such.)
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:09 pm
Vikki Stardust Asmondai William King my friend. sweatdrop Bill is often used to shorten William. wink
That makes little sense, but oh well. <.<"
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:40 am
Tiina Brown What shall i say? Well, i refer to the the old Genestealer/Deathwing - supplements to the original Space Hulk, where Deathwing clearly had White armor. Oh, and all librarians had the same colours as the rest of their chapter. Oh, and into -95 and so on, i still saw Librarians the same colour as the chapter, white Deathwing, and black Dark Angels. ... In White Dwarf, unless i'm way off in my memory. But then, the white used to be called "Bone white" ..... You can't just drag in a game that is now long out of production along with a magazine publication almost twenty years old now and expect people to either remember or adhere to it like gospel. This might be a tough pill to swallow, but the hobby moves on, it evolves, it changes. As far as I can remember, librarians have always worn blue armour, it is their badge of office. I believe Index Astartes makes a special note of this. As a curiosity, just how old are you? I was around 8 or 9 when the source material you provide was around. Tiina Brown ....Have any of you regulars checked how the troops in the box play yet? (As in "are they balanced or not" and such.) The Dark Angels are more or less evenly matched and equipped for taking on their opponents. Their load-out is an interesting one, going back to the 3rd edition mini-dex notion of the Dark Angels being a Chapter that is heavy on plasma weaponry, the units included certainly show this off: Chaplain with plasma pistol, Company Commander with combi-plasma, a Tactical squad with plasma pistol, gun and cannon and a Ravenwing squad with plasma gun. Things are going to get.. hot. wink Throw in a Terminator squad with assault cannon, Librarian with access to those new powers and you've got a force that can dish out the hurt with their shooting. Though it is a sharply contrasting composition found in the box: The Dark Angels are mostly ranged combat oriented (with newly tweaked Terminators for some excellent assaulting!) while the forces of Chaos have a heavy emphasis on assault over shooting. Attaching the Lord to the Chosen unit gives you a dead-hard assault unit with a power sword, a pair of lightning claws, a power fist, power axe and what appears to be a power maul. The power fist, axe and maul (when put on a high setting) should be painful enough to cut through those Terminators like no tomorrow. The squad of heretics with pistols and close combat weapons is a weak unit on its own, but when used in unison with the Chosen unit it can be most effective as either a shield for reactive fire or as extra numbers when trying to whittle down enemy numbers. The other heretic squad feels a bit useless, even with a heavy stubber attached. I do like their unit leader clad in a torn commissar greatcoat, though I feel he might be better if attached to the assault unit instead with that shotgun. Last but not least, that Helbrute.. emotion_drool If it uses regular Dreadnought rules it will come with 3 hullpoints and AV 12 on F and S and with the Dark Angels having just plasma weapons and an assault cannon, it should be able to dish out a lot of hurt before with the multi-melta and power fist.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:36 am
Lady Blodwynn As a curiosity, just how old are you? I was around 8 or 9 when the source material you provide was around. I'm a -69, i had a kind of crisis -89, and it feels like at least 20 of my years has been a waste, due to said crisis and the reason for it. Despite or because of that, i tend to act and seem notably younger than my officcial age, and i also feel as if i'm 15 - 25, instead of the 43 that i technically am. Of course a hobby evolves, but to me ... 40K has not only evolved. --------------------- On topic: ... Hm, i guess it seems balanced then, but it remains to be seen how they do in actual battle. What powers do the Librarian have (i haven't read the new rules) ?
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