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 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:07 pm
All non RP chat should go here. No parenthesis are necessary, and everyone is welcome to post here. (even outsiders if they wish)
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:10 pm
Okay, I have cleaned out a lot of old stuff.
-AS you may be able to tell, Kumo OOC has been reset. you can find the old thread in the Kumo recycle bin along with all other old threads.
-the Mountains ark kinda died a while ago so they have been removed.
-The apartment building has been demolished, everyone lives in the residential district instead. You had fair warning.
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-Village announcements will be used more often from now on. I will not make posts like this in OOC.
I may or may not also add a "coming soon" thread for things like the following.
Village missions, rules and organization will be updated.
May start new village ark upon teams return from the Tea fields.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:12 pm
I'm just going to refresh any threads that haven't been updated this year to keep things simple.If there is something you want to keep or want back, just send me a PM or say so here.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:40 pm
Yawn, what is up Kumogakure?
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:35 pm
Not much sadly.
I feel I should make a public apology, I've kinda burned out on POTS, so haven't been on really. I should be back up and running within a couple days.
I know you guys are kind of waiting on me, I'll do what I can.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:52 pm
It's ok, it's given me time to pwn up on skyrim. xD I have 3 characters, all over level 15, and all with one stat either maxed, or two over fifty. xD
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:39 pm
Don't worry about it ^_^ Hopefully Tv will keep me entertained
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:27 pm
oh. sweatdrop
Sorry about that, I was gonna wait for Hikaro, but I'll mess with you a bit. =P
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:43 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz oh. sweatdrop Sorry about that, I was gonna wait for Hikaro, but I'll mess with you a bit. =P Oh boy...I get to be messed with burning_eyes
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:03 pm
G-Pilot Zero TvIaMsOqTuHeYz oh. sweatdrop Sorry about that, I was gonna wait for Hikaro, but I'll mess with you a bit. =P Oh boy...I get to be messed with burning_eyes Eh, Laxus is in his mellow period. xD He isn't too bad.
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:05 pm
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:00 pm
RP is becoming too full of OOC so I moved conversation here. Before I explain myself here, I feel I should just make it clear, this is a discussion on the mechanics of RP in POTS, and is not a personal attack in any way. Neither should any responses be any more than discussion on the topic. I'm not saying this because it is a problem that has arisen yet, but i feel it would be easier then everyone saying every post "Sorry if that sounded harsh". As long as this remains civil, continued discussion is perfectly acceptable. If that changes then discussion will end. TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Thirty one seconds of quickly tossing the kunai, taking into consideration you toss the Kunai about 2 times per second, per kunai, that's 8 times per second, times 31, thusly 248 times he threw the kunai back and forth, more than enough to make a mesh net the size of the control panel ( Assuming thecontrol panel is 6 inches across, you'd have an 8 inch horzontal by a 31 inch height, or you could distribute it better, maybe a 15 by 26, or a 20 - 19 so that should Yuri have touched it, Laxus would have known and Yuri would have gotten a minor shock as well as the larger one. I think my post was justified within the boundaries of the jutsu, in al honesty, with Laxus's jutsu learning ability, he can actually learn E rank techniques without a single post, so getting basic mastery of the technique so quickly wouldn't be that hard to do. So, I offered the time tried he's seen the technique many times before, and he's attempted to use it, but never could until this demonstration. Sorry if I sounded harsh. sweatdrop I'm just saying that I'm fairly justified in how quickly Laxus could master the technique. granted for D ranks he'll have to use it once, then he'd be able to see the flaws in it and so forth, but for things Academy students should know, He'd be ok mastering them in one post, due to his proficiency with the element. And all other ones as well seing as he's got chakra control for all the other jutsu he could learn. But taijutsu and weapon styles? He'll have one heck of a time learning those, he isn't a hand to hand fighter just yet. xd Again, sorry if my above post came off as harsh. sad ) The ability to learn it in one post is not the same as the ability to use it right away. Being able to use the jutsu right away without even taking a minute think about it is insane. The learning post is intended to show the learning process, not just using the jutsu. In the real world even the simple things like addition, reading, or walking use the learning process. Learning jutsu use some level of muscle memory in a way, so we will focus on walking. Let's assume your character learned how to walk the first time he tried. He had some basic knowledge of how it worked (crawling uses similar principles) however there would be problems he has to figure out. He would never just start walking the minute he wanted to try, even if he was smart enough to know exactly how walking works. He would need to get used to balancing on two feet. Then he would need to balance on one foot long enough to move the other. He would need to learn how far he can step before it becomes awkward. This could happen quickly, he could know the basic concepts behind it, but the learning process still needs to take place. When learning a jutsu you would need to learn things like, how to use chakra, how to mold it for that specific jutsu, how to perform the jutsu so that it's purpose actually works etc. Even an S-ranked shinobi from the Ushio clan would need to complete this process for an E-rank jutsu. They could probably be able to do it very quickly I would expect it to be shown in the post. That is what the post is about. So your character already knows chakra enough to learn another jutsu. He still may have trouble with it, and would need to concentrate on it a bit. When you learn to run, if you haven't spent a long time walking your balance will be out of whack. You will stumble, your run will be outright awkward untill you figure it out. The same basic principle is behind it as standing and walking (balance) but it is still difficult and becomes more complex when you start running. It is hard to do learning posts. I know this for certain, I have done several myself. (A-rank jutsu are a reall pain in the *** too...) So here are some tips for how to make it into a process: 1. Concentrate on how you sculpt/mold the chakra for that specific jutsu since this would be different for every jutsu. 2. A new element would require you to find and understand how to use your chakra affinity for that element. 3. For multiple post learning, failed attempts often help move things along. 4. Simply theorizing about how the jutsu works before working on it can help, but you still need to have some learning process in performing it. 5. Figuring out mistakes and correcting them either with a new attempt or managing to fix a problem before it gets out of hand. 6. asking questions, again for multiple posts. 7. internal dialogue during the process. 8. applying things you already learned to understand the new jutsu. In this case it could be as simple as a sentence or two recalling how you mold the chakra, how you access the chakra etc. At this point you can move on with training, we will call that jutsu learned since you already put some effort into it. However now we are discussing for the future.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:00 pm
A jutsu may never be "Mastered" in a single post. Mastery implies full understanding of the technique, along with extensive experience with it. A master will have fifty ways to utilize a technique, which a newer user would have no idea of.
For POTS purposes, it is impossible to go below one learning post. Even if you have achieved a negative number of learning posts, you can't go below one. This basically means that if you want to learn AND use the jutsu, you need to make two paragraphs. One learning, which could be explaining how your character sees the jutsu, and putting the pieces of it together, and one completing the jutsu and using it. This is due to the concept Hikaro so aptly explained. Even if you know all the concepts and theories behind something, you still cannot do it without practice. Want to prove me wrong? Go do half the crap we write about here. I knew everything there was to know about driving a tractor or backhoe before I ever got in one. Still took me a few minutes to get a feel for the controls.
Also, remember one thing. All of the things Hikaro mentioned can be used for a single whole post. Choose appropriately for the amount you need though. And E rank with only one post required could be achieved with her step one. A jutsu with longer requirements might end with that step instead.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:30 pm
Ugh... This is why I have a difference of opinion with you all.
Anything I read, I comprehend instantly, Therefore I don't understand why people have a learning process, therefore I can't roleplay it, so I omit it. I have never had to study once in my life, as once I read something, I basically have mastery over it for a week or so, reading it once daily for a week, I can recall it for years. I can still remember a book on ancient egypt ( around 200 pages long ) I read in third grade. That's why I omit learning process in lower rank techniques, since it is something Laxus is intersted/ exceptional in, he'd grasp it easily. Granted there are some things I dislike enough I force them out of my head. Like math for example. Last year alone, I was around college junior level in Math, scoring only 3 points behind the math scholar on our Quizbowl team. Since then I have refused to do anything other than basic math, bu give me an equation, and I can solve it quickly as long as you set it up, and give me the information neccessary to solve it. ( I.e. x= 1, etc etc... )
@ Hikaro
I never said he did it instantly. He had to watch as Bakaschnitzel did it himself, thusly since Laxus had previously seen the technique he's had time to think about the inner workings, and being taught by a teacher, instead of it being used against him, He would be able to finally pick out the missing piece and utilize the technqiue. I probably should have mentioned him thinking about it while Bakaschnitzel used it, But I didn't think it would escalate to this level.
As I stated before, once I read something ( I was reading Alcott's books in first grade, only had trouble in Pre-k and K. ) I can retain it for weeks on end, months if I am relatively interested, and Years if I am perplexed by it. And whose not to say that Laxus had attempted the technique before, but couldn't get one specific piece of information, and Bakaschnitzel gave him that, thusly allowing him to utilize it.
@ Hinote
I meant mastered as in he knows it's uses, but has never applied them into battle. Thusly he has little to no knowledge of if the strings were actually strong or not. He believes they were strong, and he knows that he recrated the exact technique Bakaschnitzel used.
I know that, and I thought I did. I had the conversation, and the examination in one paragraph, and then the utilization of the technique in the second. I had never driven before, and I was capable of turning a full size pickup into a half openned gate with only about 3 inches on either side at 30 mph, I don't see why people assume driving is difficult, you just need spacial skills and reflexive skills that are efficient. Granted Controls are somewhat tricky going from vehicle to vehicle, you'd need to have slight experience with controls of a mechanism before mastering it, that much is basic principle. but to learn and utilize things such as trigonometric function, and such? atleast for me I've never had a problem mastering those once they've been explained in a way I could understand.
I know that what she said is true, I do need to post the learning process. But for the piddly Raiton ones I don't see the use. I have a - 3 posts to learn it I think... The -3 from the home village training grounds with a teacher, and the -3 due to his shinobi type. So taking into consideration that Laxus would have extreme prowess in the raiton field, picking up on it at an accelerated rate ( Picking it up quickly even without a teacher, but still needing to experiment with it. ) With a teacher who ( supposedly ) explained the functions of the technique and demonstrated it, as well as a comfortable environment relieving stress, I don't see why he couldn't pick it up quickly without need for testing.
Not to mention, even if he needed to test the technique, Laxus's sensei filled his head with the thought that he is the greatest raiton user to ever live, aside from his sensei, and that he already posesses mastery of the element within himself, so chances are unless Laxus's bloodline is approved, he's probably going to end up blowing an arm off or something when he gets into the higher ranks. ( Like attempting an S rank technique at B rank, and it backfiring, potentially killing him/ maiming him. ) Laxus is in all actuality, a concieted, self absorbed, egotistical, self proclaimed god of lightning. He believes that when the time comes, none will ever be his equal.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:38 pm
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