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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:32 am
Right so here we go. I'm going to explain what the issue is and what we're planning to do about it. After which I will explain a solution we are discussing. Anyone is invited to post in this thread explaining points for and against and if you are against it I'd like to see why.
So first and foremost the problems with the transformation into Vasto Lorde.
Currently as it stands it requires a PRP however this is not conducive to the spirit of roleplaying which should primarily be about RPing with other people. In light of this I am for scrapping this method.
In addition to this it means that obtaining the title of Vasto Lorde requires no interaction with anyone in an actual RP. It is entirely possible to start out as one. This eliminates the idea of growth to power which is present thoughout the guild within this area.
However I would like to introduce a new system that borrows somewhat from the system the Shinigami use. Specifically within regards to the Shikai.
As you probably all know obtaining a Shikai requires you to have been here two months (in theory. That doesn't always happen and it will not necessarily be the same here).
We would introduce a similar method of becoming an actual Arrancar rather than a simple hollow and instead of starting off at this point would start new characters off at the point of being Aduchjas. They would be made to spend some time learning the ropes if they're new and earning their path to power. Eventually they would be granted permission to join a side if they haven't already and remove their mask or have it removed for them. Thus granting the Resurrecion ability similar to how Shikai is granted.
In addition to this an alternative would to be to seek out the Vasto Lorde path. This would be somewhat more difficult however equally possible. I am not sure on the method so far but if you have any ideas please share. PRP is off the cards however.
To prevent people from getting annoyed because they have to scrap an Aduchjas profile and start work on a Vasto Lorde or Arrancar profile I have another method planned. We would instead add these appearances to standard Arrancar profiles with the assumption all hollows who join will one day become Arrancar. This would be no more than is expected of Shinigami and would be alike to their 'Zanpakto Spirit Appearance' section as it needs no more than a physical description.
So as I said before. Please let me know what you think whatever side you stand on. I'd like to hear concerns from everyone as well as ways to fine tune it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:16 am
I like it. Assuming that anyone who is building a hollow character should prepare themselves for whichever path they want to take- Vasto Lorde or Arrancar, this system should work out smoothly.
Vasto Lordes are VERY rare by Bleach standards. In fact, the only Espada that was a Vasto Lorde was Tier Halibel. In all honesty, I've been reading about the differences between Vasto's and Arrancar and it seems that Vasto's are naturally stronger and more powerful. Arrancar, though they are smarter, are only complimented by Resurrección and pretty human faces. In the Bleach Manga/Anime, nobody really sees a Vasto Lorde and has no idea what they are fully capable of except for the fact that they're scary as all hell.
"Apart from the need to cannibalize even more Hollows, any special requirements for the creation of a Vasto Lorde are unknown.
Tōshirō Hitsugaya states that if Sōsuke Aizen has more than ten Arrancar at Vasto Lorde level, Soul Society would be doomed." -Bleach Wiki and other places I went to. Guess what. It was never SPECIFIED except for Halibel if any of the Espadas was Vasto Lorde level. I recall that chicka going out with quite a fight.
So.
Vasto Lorde- Ugly/psychotic strength Arrancar- Pretty/Resurrección
Going Vasto Lorde shouldn't be too difficult but rather time consuming. Eating a lot of hollows would be one way to do it (ORP or PRP- You can get help from a buddy maybe? Come up with something creative like a freakin hollow magnet or net.) Additionally, a crew member should look over the writing and see if it is up to captain class standards. So make it count.
OR if one of your comrades wants to give up their life so you can eat them to evolve, that sounds fair enough.
However, if you think about it, if someone where to go Arrancar, they can't just change their minds and glue their mask back on and become a Vasto Lorde again. If you end up becoming a Vasto Lorde, you can chose to be an Arrancar whenever you want. Once you go Arrancar, there's no going back.
To become Arrancar and have the mask removed should be like any other evaluation post. See if you're up to captain class standards or not.
That's all I gotta say. I need some coffee now. -_-
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:24 am
Well Arrancar work sort of like that by default. Once you're an Arrancar you permanently stop being a pure hollow and obviously you can never put your entire mask back on.
With regards to it being a choice whether to be a Vasto or an Arrancar well it's kind of a two phase choice. Harribel is a former vasto lorde turned Arrancar. I'm sure you understand that the original hollow form of a hollow serves as a clue to how powerful they will become as an Arrancar.
So it'd work like this probably.
Vasto Lorde Arrancar > Vasto Lorde > Aduchjas Arrancar > Aduchjas > Gillian Arrancar > Normal Hollow Arrancar > Gillian > Normal Hollow.
I don't like the idea of it being time consuming though. We want to make it a fun rank to obtain and the PRPs we used to use aren't fun. We don't want to make it inaccessible just difficult.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:29 am
But could you imagine if someone wanted to quit?
Dude1: I quit, this sucks! Dude 2: Wait! Dude 1: You're not going to stop me! Dude 2: Can I eat your body? crying Dude 1: ......
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:30 am
Welp. If you wanna stand at the top you gotta fight your way there.
Even if you must eat former friends.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:31 am
exactly, if we make it tedious we won't get any members.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:35 am
That was a stand-in joke to distract you all while I think.
This is still an RP guild so everything we get and do is generally obtained through RP. Even the shinigami characters have to RP their butts off just to learn one kido.
... What if they evolve by gamboling? This forum has a dice roll doesn't it? Make a game out of it?
Just ideas... work with me here.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:39 am
I don't think dice rolls are effective. I don't think I'd want the feeling I'd worked hard at something only to lose to a dice roll.
I think we could run something every 3 months. A sort of battle royale. Every hollow for himself in a battle between the entire pool of hollow.
Last man standing becomes a Vasto Lorde after devouring those around them. This would arrest their development at Ajduchas level though.
This'd be a good opportunity to also see where everyone's at in terms of skill too.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:49 am
Would they be losing their hollow characters if they lost the battle royal?
Or would it be NPC hollow that would be the food for the winner?
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:50 am
NPCs.
And they need not fully devour the PC hollows.
I know. Avoid actual character deaths and all that.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:52 am
So the other hollows will be NPCs? And who is going to play those? And will there be more than one applicant thrown into the pit at a time? I like it... almost like a coliseum. The king and his men can watch and be delighted by carnage.
More word vomit...
Anyway, there's still a need for evaluating. We don't want captain class illiterates running around. In this pool fight, their literacy and writing skills can reflect on whether or not they evolve. Not die... that's harsh. But whoever is playing NPC hollows can be the evaluator. A good evaluator will know what to look for in writing.
I nominate STOCKFICSH... Long winded b*****d... stare
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:57 am
I think it'd be the combined duty of all 3 kings and whoever else wants to throw NPC hollows in.
Meanwhile everyone is invited to join at the same time. I want a true battle royale. Being a Vasto Lorde is about having triumphed over all the other hollow without being eaten and this will reflect that.
Maybe we should make a place for this out in the desert of Hueco Mundo. I think a Colosseum battle once every 3 months could be interesting. Especially with how manic it'll be.
I mean literally every hollow we can throw at this thing will be in it.
I'd say have someone else take the role of a unbiased third party for evaluations. Someone who doesn't have a hollow character.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:04 am
Fair enough. This could work if the kings are around to do it every three months. That part I don't fully trust but we can make it work. Active people will just take over the inactive.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:09 am
As long as one of us is around it'll be possible to pull off at least.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:38 am
It's settled then, I will take back my statement to make Elzee Razz a hollow and keep her as a shinigami. (I typically regret playing bad-guy's anyways...) I wouldn't mind helping judge as a third party.
Since I used to guide Las Noches (though Pad does such an obvious better job than I ever had...) and since... Pad you're easy to understand, I wouldn't mind helping you out in any way you'd need.
From judging profiles, applicants, or even simply watching and giving my opinion on a fight here and there.
Or as you've seen, play a number of NPC's to have your baddies beat up on / overcome.
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