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 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:57 am
: O haven't been here for ages..... I appologize for my dissappearance....
school of animation kicks me hardcore in the arse.......
anyway, to make up for eeet.. I present you..... small dumpage!
yeah..... be ware of stretchers.....
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:02 am
  2 commission pieces done for Mousira of her two original characters Mousira and Kalsam...... First one was pure cg, lines and colours in all. As for the second, it was scanned lineart coloured in painter, had a total blast just picking and putting on colours... like finger painting in kindergarden.....
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:06 am
 a spontaneous doodle that was later coloured.... using warm colours to convey a supposedly cold scene.....
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:08 am
Hand sketches, I do them regularly so I won't be boggled down by a hand pose of any shape or form....   Pencil on paper, used my own hands as ref
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:13 am
Some Life Drawings..... Excuse the horrible webcam quality.... was having tech difficulties with my scanner so had to use the alternative 30 seconds:  1 minute:   3 minutes:    5 minutes:  All done with Conte on Newsprint
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:30 am
What a good idear. So many people go "i wish i could draw hands better."
and then try to find a way to hide the hands so they don't have to draw them >__> like I do
i think i luv u
so what am i so afraid of!
something love not sure of@
yor stuff are purdy.
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:02 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:19 pm
Had a chat with my bf about your art (he happened to be behind me), so this isn't coming from me only.
i really like your coloring style very much - very pretty, fits the picture very well, shadows seem right and light is interesting. This is not anything easy to achieve. The fact that you practise hands shows and you're really good at it.
But, well, the faces. They're right... but yet they aren't. The places of nose, eyes and mouth is right, but yet... they're lacking as good skills you show in the other places.
I don't mean that you should drop out the anime, it actually looks kind of good, i think you should concentrate more what's between eyes to mouth, what kind is the forehead/chin/under the nose/cheek and so on.
Also from the hand practises I get the feeling that you spent a lot of time drawing from realism/pictures and don't draw that much from head.
Love the life drawing sketches, very pretty. Cheers.
ninja Do I crit people too much?
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:14 pm
@The Dred Pirate Gossy: ; ) pratice makes perfect
@Japanese Vinyl: good to be back
@Onis: your critique sound very ambiguous... english is not your first language is it?
I'm having a hard time trying to understand what you mean by "They're right... but yet they aren't. The places of nose, eyes and mouth is right, but yet they're lacking as good skills.............I think you should concentrate more what's between eyes to mouth, what kind is the forehead/chin/under the nose/cheek and so on."
are you saying that I should put more detail in my anime-style faces? Or draw in a slightly different style but still retain the anime look?
As for the comment on "also from the hand practices I get the feeling that you spent a lot of time drawing from realism/pictures and don't draw that much from head," you assumption is almost the exact opposite of reality, I draw 70% from my head and 30% from references. And it's serving the purpose of helping me learn to draw more realistically/accurately as well as letting me have my creative freedom.
I sense a despising tone from that comment you made too, it sounded like you think people who draw from real life reference makes someone inferior to people who draw from their head. Which, is a wrong concept to have, and if you stick by that rule, you will undoubtly hinder your own artistic development.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:23 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:27 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:41 pm
i think your hand-drawn stuff is much better than your cg work. the pencil work is very nice and clean :]
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:57 pm
trufflepig i think your hand-drawn stuff is much better than your cg work. the pencil work is very nice and clean :] ; ) thank you XD XD no surprise there....... got more than 10 years on the pencil...... and only recently reaching the 2 year mark with my cging.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:00 pm
Synister Edit: Long text. n_n; Better just copy/paste on some writing program, so it's easier to read. @Onis: your critique sound very ambiguous... english is not your first language is it? I'm having a hard time trying to understand what you mean by "They're right... but yet they aren't. The places of nose, eyes and mouth is right, but yet they're lacking as good skills.............I think you should concentrate more what's between eyes to mouth, what kind is the forehead/chin/under the nose/cheek and so on." are you saying that I should put more detail in my anime-style faces? Or draw in a slightly different style but still retain the anime look? As for the comment on "also from the hand practices I get the feeling that you spent a lot of time drawing from realism/pictures and don't draw that much from head," you assumption is almost the exact opposite of reality, I draw 70% from my head and 30% from references. And it's serving the purpose of helping me learn to draw more realistically/accurately as well as letting me have my creative freedom. I sense a despising tone from that comment you made too, it sounded like you think people who draw from real life reference makes someone inferior to people who draw from their head. Which, is a wrong concept to have, and if you stick by that rule, you will undoubtly hinder your own artistic development. Ha, you're right. n_n; I'm not english at all, finnish is my first language. I lack the information on most english words (such as ambigious, actually) and since I don't have my dictionary with me, I can't check up what the words meant. (Also - finnish/english online dictionaries = lousy) Actually I have hard time explaining myself in finnish and it took me years to finally write/say the words as I mean them. When I was younger i heard quite often from others that I shouldn't talk so snobby/like I was above others-like (even though I didn't think anything like that). Took me some time to learn how to put the words in right order, choose the right words and how to pronounce them. With english, it's harder, since I can't hear people talk the language and I'm not sure which words are the positive kind and which are not. Also I easily forget words or their meanings, which makes my explanations hard to understand. Most problems occur when people don't tell me straight that I sound very rude. Well, this isn't a sob story, but might maybe explain some things. :3 I try to keep my sentences clear and understandable and if it's not anything too hard, I usually can. As for the head: I was more preferring that what's between those areas, it looks kind of flat. I think the style is ok. Details kind of explain what i mean, but I'll just link this page: http://www.beautyanalysis.com/mba_facevariationsbysex_page.htmMaybe it looks a little bit odd to me, since your drawings have clear, nicely drawn muscles on the body and everything else if defined expect those areas. Not that you'd need to draw them all correctly, but some defination of those would look better to my eyes. Homm. And for the hands - some of them seemed missing some anatomical information and 3dness. I've noticed that people who draw only or mostly from references, don't really understand what they're drawing, but has amazingly good eyeballing skills. So there's usually few, almost non-noticeable errors in their drawings. Of course those were practises, so I was kind of 50/50 if you do this or not, so I decided to write that sentence and see what you answer. Oh and. The errors aren't really that noticeable (if almost at all)... it just made me wonder since the anatomy is otherwise very, very good. Synister "I sense a despising tone from that comment you made too, it sounded like you think people who draw from real life reference makes someone inferior to people who draw from their head. Which, is a wrong concept to have, and if you stick by that rule, you will undoubtly hinder your own artistic development." I don't despise anyone when it comes to drawing. :3 Well... okay, maybe some finnish artists who sell their drawings for 2000 euro when they draw a simple flower which they made maybe in half hour. Yes, I think that drawing from real life does help a lot and not drawing from real life helps also a lot. Both in their own way. I have my own opinions, likes and dislikes, but I strongly believe that everyone should draw what they want, the way they want to draw and same comes to practising. Crits are not meant to be taken as holy words. If I say something, I think people has the right to disagree with it.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:34 am
[(-Onis-)] Synister Edit: Long text. n_n; Better just copy/paste on some writing program, so it's easier to read. @Onis: your critique sound very ambiguous... english is not your first language is it? I'm having a hard time trying to understand what you mean by "They're right... but yet they aren't. The places of nose, eyes and mouth is right, but yet they're lacking as good skills.............I think you should concentrate more what's between eyes to mouth, what kind is the forehead/chin/under the nose/cheek and so on." are you saying that I should put more detail in my anime-style faces? Or draw in a slightly different style but still retain the anime look? As for the comment on "also from the hand practices I get the feeling that you spent a lot of time drawing from realism/pictures and don't draw that much from head," you assumption is almost the exact opposite of reality, I draw 70% from my head and 30% from references. And it's serving the purpose of helping me learn to draw more realistically/accurately as well as letting me have my creative freedom. I sense a despising tone from that comment you made too, it sounded like you think people who draw from real life reference makes someone inferior to people who draw from their head. Which, is a wrong concept to have, and if you stick by that rule, you will undoubtly hinder your own artistic development. Ha, you're right. n_n; I'm not english at all, finnish is my first language. I lack the information on most english words (such as ambigious, actually) and since I don't have my dictionary with me, I can't check up what the words meant. (Also - finnish/english online dictionaries = lousy) Actually I have hard time explaining myself in finnish and it took me years to finally write/say the words as I mean them. When I was younger i heard quite often from others that I shouldn't talk so snobby/like I was above others-like (even though I didn't think anything like that). Took me some time to learn how to put the words in right order, choose the right words and how to pronounce them. With english, it's harder, since I can't hear people talk the language and I'm not sure which words are the positive kind and which are not. Also I easily forget words or their meanings, which makes my explanations hard to understand. Most problems occur when people don't tell me straight that I sound very rude. Well, this isn't a sob story, but might maybe explain some things. :3 I try to keep my sentences clear and understandable and if it's not anything too hard, I usually can. As for the head: I was more preferring that what's between those areas, it looks kind of flat. I think the style is ok. Details kind of explain what i mean, but I'll just link this page: http://www.beautyanalysis.com/mba_facevariationsbysex_page.htmMaybe it looks a little bit odd to me, since your drawings have clear, nicely drawn muscles on the body and everything else if defined expect those areas. Not that you'd need to draw them all correctly, but some defination of those would look better to my eyes. Homm. And for the hands - some of them seemed missing some anatomical information and 3dness. I've noticed that people who draw only or mostly from references, don't really understand what they're drawing, but has amazingly good eyeballing skills. So there's usually few, almost non-noticeable errors in their drawings. Of course those were practises, so I was kind of 50/50 if you do this or not, so I decided to write that sentence and see what you answer. Oh and. The errors aren't really that noticeable (if almost at all)... it just made me wonder since the anatomy is otherwise very, very good. Synister "I sense a despising tone from that comment you made too, it sounded like you think people who draw from real life reference makes someone inferior to people who draw from their head. Which, is a wrong concept to have, and if you stick by that rule, you will undoubtly hinder your own artistic development." I don't despise anyone when it comes to drawing. :3 Well... okay, maybe some finnish artists who sell their drawings for 2000 euro when they draw a simple flower which they made maybe in half hour. Yes, I think that drawing from real life does help a lot and not drawing from real life helps also a lot. Both in their own way. I have my own opinions, likes and dislikes, but I strongly believe that everyone should draw what they want, the way they want to draw and same comes to practising. Crits are not meant to be taken as holy words. If I say something, I think people has the right to disagree with it. : O point taken, and I do believe we have very different opinions in what looks good and not. I am aware of all the features on a face, but rendering cheeks on an anime-styled drawing takes away its elegance. as to the comment regarding to "people who draw from references have amazing good eyeballing skills".......... that is probably the most disagreeable comment I've ever read...... It might be true for beginner artists who's been only drawing for 1 to 2 months, when they're just developing their hand-eye coordination skills. And that, although as amateurish as it sounds, is probably one of the most important skill you need as an artist. People only begin drawing well from their head after they carefully studied the form, shape, and structure of something from a reference. Artists who pratice drawing solely from their head often produce even more errors on what they've drawn than people who praticed drawing from references, that is the reason why they train you to always draw from references in art schools...... that's the reason why there's LIFE DRAWING, and that's the reason why there are so many artists out there who can only draw in one freaking style(because they do not have the same accurate information in their head as someone who praticed drawing from references). As for the hands, mind you that each of those hands took no more than 3 minutes to draw, they are afterall, sketches. The sole purpose of sketches is to capture as much information as possible in minimal time and effort..... I know the lines are a bit more refined than what you'd consider a sketch, but that's because I've done it for countless years and I am confident enough with my lines. as for the comment of "everyone should darw what they want, the way they want to draw," that's the utopian idea for artists, but the harsh reality is, you won't make it too far with that unless you're extremely lucky, and for artists that wish to make it a profession... that'll always be a shattered dream for them..... Sure, you get a certain degree of artistic freedom, but your clients want things done THEIR way, and you can't bend the rules and say "oh but I don't want to draw spider man, I want to do spawn!!" Well too bad so sad, they either fire you, or replace you with someone who is willing to draw spiderman, even if it means that the replacement is a lesser skilled artist than you are. The sole reason why Van Gogh only sold one painting in his entire lifetime, because no body cared or appreciated whatever he wanted to draw and paint.
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