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 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:13 pm
I'm thinking of opening a thread like this after major events to give players input concerning hard-game effects to apply. This is less a discussion (the last thing we need is a million discussion threads detracting from the RP) and more a quasi-vote (which I reserve the right to ignore as I see fit mrgreen ). Below is what I'm considering for the official RP history thread and any hard-game effects. Everyone can post one time with their opinions, anything they would like reconsidered, and maybe some thoughts about what happened. This is not a discussion thread or a vote, just a way for me to get some quick feedback. Quote: In the winter of 911, a diet was assembled in Frankfurt to discuss who would take the place of the late king. The assembly was largely dominated by Duke Guntram of Saxony, the most powerful man present and one known for his cruelty. All gathered seemed to be in opposition to his candidacy but lacked a strong figure to rally behind; the Duke of Swabia stepped up, but any potential supporters were still very unsure in the face of the Saxon's evil glare and grimacing smile. Guntram's opposition was ultimately saved by the late arrival of Radulf, Duke of Lotharingia, a charismatic figure that all of the princes could rally around. The Diet might have ended with Radulf elected as king, but his support was defined by opposition to the powerful Saxon duke. The events of the diet had made it clear that, if he willed it, the kingdom's politics would revolve around the Duke of Saxony. -- I feel pretty strongly about this one: Every post seemed to be directly or indirectly about Saxony being big and scary, so I think their prestige should reflect that. (For reference, every duke starts with +3 prestige, every count with +2.) Duke of Lotharingia: +1 Prestige -- I'm iffy on this one. On the one hand, everyone rallied behind him. On the other hand, they really were more rallying against the Duke of Saxony. I'm thinking the crown should be enough... Archbishop of Trier: +100 Prestige -- ...ok, maybe not. mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:31 pm
Victarus Duke of Saxony: +1 or +2 Prestige -- I feel pretty strongly about this one: Every post seemed to be directly or indirectly about Saxony being big and scary, so I think their prestige should reflect that. (For reference, every duke starts with +3 prestige, every count with +2.) Duke of Lotharingia: +1 Prestige -- I'm iffy on this one. On the one hand, everyone rallied behind him. On the other hand, they really were more rallying against the Duke of Saxony. I'm thinking the crown should be enough... Archbishop of Trier: +100 Prestige -- ...ok, maybe not. mrgreen Hey, I want +100 prestige too! rofl I think that if everyone was rallying against him, his prestige should fall, not rise. Maybe I'm confused about what the prestige means here, but he is pretty disliked. And for the new king, maybe a +3 should be better? He just earned a lot of power, it seems fair.
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Little Sholac Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:32 pm
For the Duke of Saxony--I am loved in a hated sense of the matter.(Loved being as in talked about a lot.)
I would agree with having at least +1, because almost every post in the Diet had something of the Duke mentioned in it, although most of it was bad press it was still put out there and making him more known of, even if it has the sound of fear behind it.
And for the Duke of Lotharingia--My honest opinion was that he was rallied behind greatly to go against the Duke of Saxony, but did not have the same sense of being talked about in the way as Guntram was. Though he did get quite the support from the others so I do agree with the +1 as well with him.
As for the Archbishop of Trier--NO Prestige to him at all!!!! He was not mentioned unless spoken too and has no real standing in the post so there... blaugh (Now back to hiding from Victuras)
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:49 pm
Rinoa Calway I think that if everyone was rallying against him, his prestige should fall, not rise. Maybe I'm confused about what the prestige means here, but he is pretty disliked. And for the new king, maybe a +3 should be better? He just earned a lot of power, it seems fair. Prestige doesn't equal popularity. An example of prestige in the game sense would be the effect of a duke who's never met the character being told they want to have a meeting. A high prestige would make people anxiously anticipate the conversation, perhaps worrying or anxiously looking forward to it, while a negative prestige would get a "That joke wants to talk to me?" Another example would be if you know they won't actually go to war, but a character is publicly opposing some plan you're undertaking. A high prestige character makes you worry -- their reputation is so strong that they don't need to raise an army to help defeat one -- while a low prestige character brings up a "So what?" You're not reacting to the power they hold so much as their reputation and their influence. In this case, the Duke of Saxony was frowned upon by everyone, but he made an impact: If you hear the Duke of Saxony wants to speak with you after seeing him at the Diet and how impotent everyone seemed until Radulf showed up, you'll definitely have a reaction. The new king, not so much: He might have the kind of charisma that would warrant more prestige, but he wasn't given a chance to use it effectively since everyone had effectively already decided to support him before he even stepped in the room.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:35 pm
Well, if you want my opinion, as much as I think Guntram is a great character. I am pretty sure that if someone said that he wanted to speak with Faustus, Faustus would think of him as a hotheaded child with too much power and no sense of responsibility. Yes, he might dread it, not because he is afraid, or because he would get anxious. but because the man is blind and selfish.
People might think about him more. But so far he hasn't really done anything to cause fear or to look better in the eyes of anyone else. He Immediately attacked someone who disagreed with him, (which i agree that Faustus deserved it and it was to be expected). Its my opinion that people would think of him as being weaselly.
That's just my opinion.
And i also think that the new king would probably get more prestige. I mean, the prestige doesn't matter with the people who were present. They already had opinions of each other. It is the people who were not there where the news matters. If all the people hear that the dukes quickly made a decision with minor squabbling and decided that Radulf would be the best, then wouldn't that put him in a good light? No matter what was said?
I dunno.
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