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Well, I remember hearing that if one does not claim it's from god, then it comes from somewhere else. I don't know. I have a hard time believing in magic, but then again I've never seen anything magically happen either. Just see medical miracles occur without any kind of magical ritual. So I guess you could call that God's magic.

I haven't read the bible in a while. (Shame on me.) So I'm not sure on what I'm going to ask. Were there any people that were given psychic abilities by God in the bible? Only thing that I can think of is profits foreseeing the savior. Also the bible talking about the end of the world and a description of it. If it is so, that the bible says anything about people seeing the future with a gift from God, then do you suppose that Christians should see psychics as people that really have such a gift? Of course there are liars, too.

There's two sources for this. The first most commonly known explaination is that if something doesn't come from God then it comes from somewhere else. The other reason is because most modern "magic" is based on Crowley's work which was explicitly anti-Christian, classist, and selfish. His magic system was based around the idea of justifying why certain people, like him, were better than anyone else. I mean his magic system is based on "will-working" and asserting one's will over the universe or anything that opposes your will, including any gods that stand in your way.

Edit: You might also want to check out this info dump. Most of the "demonization" of magic in general is due to mistranslations.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=15755387

Well yeah there are contradictions. You have an anthology of various scriptures representing different theological viewpoints and spanning distant periods of times and cultures. You have the Tanahk which was canonized in 70 CE after the fall of the 2nd Temple as a way to preserve Judaism and curb the threat of Christianity to Jewish tradition. You have Paul's letters who was preaching to various Gentiles and trying to keep Christianity seperate from Judaism. You have Mark which was written for Messianic Christians/Jews. You have Matthew written to counter Paul. You have Luke written to counter Marcionism. You have John which was a Gnostic Gospel. You then have letters that were forged to curb some of Paul's stances that were seen as anti-government and to counter other Christians who used Paul's letters such as Marcion and Valentinius. Then you have Revelations, which is pretty much a retelling of Daniel, included to whatever reason.

Yes the Mysteries are very interesting but like any good thing they can become obsessions. I hope I've helped clarify some things.

I get what you mean. We each possess a divine spark within us that allows to have access to Mysteries that we can just barely grasp. My only problem with magic is that most stuff promoted as "magic" is superstitions and con schemes. Superstitions keep us from seeking truth and well con artists, I really don't think I need to go into detail about why I don't like con artists. When you get right down to it. Most of the stuff labeled as witchcraft or rather translated as witchcraft in the bible has to do with superstitions and conartistry.

Example the Delphi Oracles are mentioned in Acts. You know how they divinated? They got high off of volcanic fumes and people interpreted what spouted off as divination. Not saying that it couldn't be possible to be done now, just that if there was a way for an individual to use such fumes to divinate, the art was long lost and was probably long lost after the 1st or 2nd generation of such divinators pasted on.

blue your name...are you from Command central JFU?

>> anyway,define the word God,God is a title..>>,people could assume you mean Zeus,or Ra,or something because they have the title God =].

>> but see,power grace and miracles can come from anything,even devils.

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oh thats a good one xD lol.

In my opinon,we are born with these gifts,>>some depend on where you are from *cough if you believe in other worlds or deminsions*

you also alot of the time get the abilities,but this is from my own personal experinece,don't have to believe me. lol.

So whos to say,Maybe was never God at all,maybe it was just apart of who you are.


but this is my opinon ^^

I see a parallel here if you believe in the existence of truth. All things come from truth. Even a lie has a grain of truth to it, lest it wouldn't have any power. But a lie will never win against truth. A lie may cover truth for a while but truth always comes out on top in the end.

yes, i think thats right ^_^