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 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:13 pm
You are the apple...
*sigh*
http://news.yahoo.com/california-dream-act-approved-illegal-immigrants-013617230.html
No. No, no, no, no, no. I may have some liberal leanings but this pisses me off.
1. One can become an American Citizen at age 18. Generally we graduate from high school around age 18 and this helps illegal immigrants who have graduated from high school pay for college. You want to live the American Dream? Take the time and effort and become a frikin American citizen!
2. With the passage of this, and the very possible passage of the subsequent bill giving illegals the chance at publicly funded scholarships as well, myself and the rest of the people who are already American citizens now have MORE PEOPLE TO COMPETE AGAINST FOR MONEY.
"At the end of the day, if we're going to continue as a powerful, equal-opportunity society, we're going to have to invest in our people." - Governor Brown
"Equal-opportunity society"? The opportunity to become an American citizen is there and available, thank you.
and I am your core.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:45 pm
I nnay be very liberal on alnnost any front, bvt... What?
I cant fathonn what covld have possibly lead to this. Yes, it does take too long to beconne a citizen, and we are in desperate need of innigration refornn, bvt we do not, not need this.
Annnesty is one thing. Giving illegals an actval advantage towards getting into college that legal innigrants and other citizens dont have is... Insane.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:24 pm
I support this bill.
Too often we divide ourselves as people based upon petty things such as nationality or race. If you oppose immigration so much, then you should leave the U.S.
The people that come here do so because they are willing to risk their lives to have a better life then the one they were living. Their commitment should be rewarded with opportunity, not discrimination or prejudice.
P.S. - businesses are making finding a job difficult; they want cheap/free labor and maximum profit. This country needs a revolution, not less people in it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:11 pm
Labyrinthknight63 If you oppose immigration so much, then you should leave the U.S. Because this is totally about immigration. Our economy is effing terrible and people are having a ridiculous time getting through college/getting a job. Yeah, let's make it tougher on our own citizens. Good job, guys.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:15 pm
Labyrinthknight63 I support this bill. Too often we divide ourselves as people based upon petty things such as nationality or race. If you oppose immigration so much, then you should leave the U.S. The people that come here do so because they are willing to risk their lives to have a better life then the one they were living. Their commitment should be rewarded with opportunity, not discrimination or prejudice. P.S. - businesses are making finding a job difficult; they want cheap/free labor and maximum profit. This country needs a revolution, not less people in it.
You are the apple...
I have no problem with immigration, however when the government gives illegal immigrants stuff like this, that is NOT ok. If someone wants the benefits of being in America, become an American citizen.
and I am your core.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:01 pm
Rock4ourRock Labyrinthknight63 I support this bill. Too often we divide ourselves as people based upon petty things such as nationality or race. If you oppose immigration so much, then you should leave the U.S. The people that come here do so because they are willing to risk their lives to have a better life then the one they were living. Their commitment should be rewarded with opportunity, not discrimination or prejudice. P.S. - businesses are making finding a job difficult; they want cheap/free labor and maximum profit. This country needs a revolution, not less people in it.
I have no problem with immigration, however when the government gives illegal immigrants stuff like this, that is NOT ok. If someone wants the benefits of being in America, become an American citizen.
and I am your core. Don't forget, most of us are descendants of illegal immigrants.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:02 pm
I have to say, it is entirely in-compassionate to believe that AMERICANS do not have the right to higher education. The majority of those that will benefit from this law grew up in America. They were brought here by their family as children, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Why should they suffer for their parents actions? I do not believe it is right, and I will support any and all actions that seeks to make them legal.
I will admit, I am a Socialist. I am also a Humanist. I believe there are certain things that everyone has a right to just for being alive; regardless of if they are illegal or not. Healthcare, Home, Transport, Water, Electricity, and Education. However, many don't really understand the law. Here are some common misconceptions with the law:
1) This does not grant PUBLIC money to illegals, only allows for PRIVATE scholarships to them. Let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A DRAIN OF PUBLIC, TAXPAYER'S MONEY
2) It does not guarantee college admission, it only allows them to go if they are academically eligible. Which is how California has been for a number of years.
Yes, I live in California. Yes, I know illegals. Yes, some are really good friends that I will fight for. Take my words for what they're worth, a first-hand humanistic appeal.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:18 pm
Je Suis La Vie I have to say, it is entirely in-compassionate to believe that AMERICANS do not have the right to higher education. The majority of those that will benefit from this law grew up in America. They were brought here by their family as children, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Why should they suffer for their parents actions? This bill being revoked wovld not nnake thenn svffer for their parents actions, bvt as it is, theyre being rewarded for thenn.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:20 pm
Je Suis La Vie 1) This does not grant PUBLIC money to illegals, only allows for PRIVATE scholarships to them. Let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A DRAIN OF PUBLIC, TAXPAYER'S MONEY2) It does not guarantee college admission, it only allows them to go if they are academically eligible. Which is how California has been for a number of years.
You are the apple...
I touched on the first subject in the OP ("and the very possible passage of the subsequent bill giving illegals the chance at publicly funded scholarships as well") and it's also explained in the article I provided. I suppose I should have made my mention of that fact more clear.
The second subject should be common sense.
and I am your core.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:22 pm
Rock4ourRock 1. One can become an American Citizen at age 18. Generally we graduate from high school around age 18 and this helps illegal immigrants who have graduated from high school pay for college. You want to live the American Dream? Take the time and effort and become a frikin American citizen! You obviously don't understand how hard it is to become an American citizen. In order to become a citizen you must be: At least 18 years old and a lawful permanent resident ("green card" holder); Illegal immigrants do not have Green cards. So they already can't become American unless they return to their country of origin and apply for one. My main qualm is that this is for those who grew up in America, and know of only America as their home, not whatever country their parents brought them from. Rock4ourRock 2. With the passage of this, and the very possible passage of the subsequent bill giving illegals the chance at publicly funded scholarships as well, myself and the rest of the people who are already American citizens now have MORE PEOPLE TO COMPETE AGAINST FOR MONEY. Maybe in your selfishly narrow mindset. But these students are people too, who have just as much of a right as you to go to school to better themselves.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:25 pm
Matasoga Je Suis La Vie I have to say, it is entirely in-compassionate to believe that AMERICANS do not have the right to higher education. The majority of those that will benefit from this law grew up in America. They were brought here by their family as children, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Why should they suffer for their parents actions? This bill being revoked wovld not nnake thenn svffer for their parents actions, bvt as it is, theyre being rewarded for thenn. They are not being rewarded for them, they are just being given the same rights as any other person has. How would this bill being revoked not make them suffer? This argument is unfounded and devoid of substance.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:34 pm
Je Suis La Vie Matasoga Je Suis La Vie I have to say, it is entirely in-compassionate to believe that AMERICANS do not have the right to higher education. The majority of those that will benefit from this law grew up in America. They were brought here by their family as children, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Why should they suffer for their parents actions? This bill being revoked wovld not nnake thenn svffer for their parents actions, bvt as it is, theyre being rewarded for thenn. They are not being rewarded for them, they are just being given the same rights as any other person has. How would this bill being revoked not make them suffer? This argument is unfounded and devoid of substance. Naybe Inn vnclear on sonnething. Before the passage of this law, was it innpossible for thenn to receive privately fvnded scholarships? If so, what barred thenn?
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:41 pm
Matasoga Je Suis La Vie Matasoga Je Suis La Vie I have to say, it is entirely in-compassionate to believe that AMERICANS do not have the right to higher education. The majority of those that will benefit from this law grew up in America. They were brought here by their family as children, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Why should they suffer for their parents actions? This bill being revoked wovld not nnake thenn svffer for their parents actions, bvt as it is, theyre being rewarded for thenn. They are not being rewarded for them, they are just being given the same rights as any other person has. How would this bill being revoked not make them suffer? This argument is unfounded and devoid of substance. Naybe Inn vnclear on sonnething. Before the passage of this law, was it innpossible for thenn to receive privately fvnded scholarships? If so, what barred thenn? The law. All they could do was to pay with their own funds. Now they can get privately funded scholarships to help with the burden. California may have the best prices for higher education in the country, but its still a lot. Especially for textbooks. I know.
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:51 pm
Je Suis La Vie Matasoga Je Suis La Vie Matasoga Je Suis La Vie I have to say, it is entirely in-compassionate to believe that AMERICANS do not have the right to higher education. The majority of those that will benefit from this law grew up in America. They were brought here by their family as children, they didn't have a choice in the matter. Why should they suffer for their parents actions? This bill being revoked wovld not nnake thenn svffer for their parents actions, bvt as it is, theyre being rewarded for thenn. They are not being rewarded for them, they are just being given the same rights as any other person has. How would this bill being revoked not make them suffer? This argument is unfounded and devoid of substance. Naybe Inn vnclear on sonnething. Before the passage of this law, was it innpossible for thenn to receive privately fvnded scholarships? If so, what barred thenn? The law. All they could do was to pay with their own funds. Now they can get privately funded scholarships to help with the burden. California may have the best prices for higher education in the country, but its still a lot. Especially for textbooks. I know. Ah, I see. The law is rennarkably less ridicvlovs, then, thovgh I still dont know that I stand behind it, fvlly.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:21 am
You act like money is scarce in the USA. Our GDP is triple that of China's. In terms of money, the US is filthy stinkin rich. Also the US was founded by illegal immigrants. The so-called "founding fathers" were never natives of American land. If you ask me, this bill is progress towards the American government becoming less of a hypocrisy. Hell if you're going to complain about illegal aliens "competing for money", why not get the illegal immigrants out of Hawai'i? Give Hawaii back its sovereignty and deport all illegal aliens and their descendants. Until the day comes that Hawai'i and Alaska are relinquished back to their sovereign rule, I don't see any reason why this bill should not happen.
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