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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:00 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:32 pm
Nobody visited this thread? Oh well. *sighs* sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:41 pm
I guess no one wishes to talk about this subject because it is a touchy subject for some people.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:04 pm
thejesusfreak I guess no one wishes to talk about this subject because it is a touchy subject for some people. Either that or do what I usually do..... go through topics, but don't reply sweatdrop Anyways, not many of the members are really active anyways....
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:47 pm
thejesusfreak I guess no one wishes to talk about this subject because it is a touchy subject for some people. you also have to keep in mind that this subject has been BEATEN to death again and again and again and again..... it will always be an issue and there are ALOT of threads posted on this subject so in a way it snothing new for people to read so you probably wont get much response.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:05 am
I really think that is an unfair poll. I think it should say "do you agree with my interpretation of what these parts of the bible say"...and the word "homosexual" is not even used in the bible...it wasn't even a word when these books were written..You can't use it in those bible verses...and whoever wrote that version of the Bible needs to get a reality check here....NO version of the Bible I have ever read uses the word "homosexual". It sounds like they threw it in there for good measure.
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:58 pm
thejesusfreak Well here it goes *sigh*. The Bible is clearly against homosexuality, I disagree, and I sincerely wish it was clear about it one way or the other -- but I cannot think that it is. thejesusfreak 1 Corinthians 6:8j-10 : Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, (K) adulterers, (L) male prostitutes, homosexuals, (M) 10 thieves, (N) greedy (O) people, drunkards, revilers, (P) or swindlers (Q) will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB) I think you're using a bad translation, there. Try this one: Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. Notes about those verses [9-10] A catalogue of typical vices that exclude from the kingdom of God and that should be excluded from God's church. Such lists (cf 1 Cor 5:10) reflect the common moral sensibility of the New Testament period. [9] The Greek word translated as boy prostitutes may refer to catamites, i.e., boys or young men who were kept for purposes of prostitution, a practice not uncommon in the Greco-Roman world. In Greek mythology this was the function of Ganymede, the "cupbearer of the gods," whose Latin name was Catamitus. The term translated Sodomites refers to adult males who indulged in homosexual practices with such boys. See similar condemnations of such practices in Romans 1:26-27; 1 Tim 1:10. - http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians6.htmSo we see that the Bible did NOT say "homosexuals." thejesusfreak 1 Timothy 1:9-11 We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, (P) for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral (Q) and homosexuals, (R) for kidnappers, liars, (S) perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching (T) 11 based on the glorious gospel (U) of the blessed God (V) that was entrusted to me. (HCSB) Once again, a bad translation. "[10] Sodomites: see 1 Cor 6:9 and the note there." - http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1timothy/1timothy1.htm#foot5 'Sodomites' does NOT mean 'homosexuals'. I meant to read the rest of your post, but I'm tired and sick (and it's 1 am) and I need to go to bed. What Bible are you quoting from, good sir?
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:22 pm
thejesusfreak Well here it goes *sigh*. The Bible is clearly against homosexuality, 1 Corinthians 6:8j-10 : Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, (K) adulterers, (L) male prostitutes, homosexuals, (M) 10 thieves, (N) greedy (O) people, drunkards, revilers, (P) or swindlers (Q) will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB) 1 Timothy 1:9-11 We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, (P) for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral (Q) and homosexuals, (R) for kidnappers, liars, (S) perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching (T) 11 based on the glorious gospel (U) of the blessed God (V) that was entrusted to me. (HCSB) I shall quote Ananel's essay. Ananel 1) The two lists are poorly translated in the cases of homosexuality. Three words are found in these passages that are used to relate to homosexual sex: Pornia, Arsenokoitas and Malakoi. Pornia means pervert. That’s all it really means. It refers to sexual perversion, but makes no statement as to what that perversion is. It is far too general to relate to homosexual sex. Malakoi refers to softness or effeminacy, with implications of perversion. The term is used to refer to a man who is too passionate and emotional, and who acts upon these. It relates to the Grecian concepts of gender identity. The man was not to be emotional in this fashion. If one stretches the meaning of the word, examples are found where Malakoi may refer to the ‘bottom’ partner of pederasty. This is a relationship wherein a teenage boy traded sexual favors with an older man in return for guidance and training. It was common within Greek society and accepted in Roman society. Arsenokoitas is a compound word derived from the Greek words for man and bed. While this sounds like a clear reference to homosexuality to our modern ears, there is a problem. The word does not appear at any point prior to Paul’s letters. To our knowledge, he created the term himself. Its usage in all other cases I am aware of either represents something akin to an aggressive sexual predator or, more commonly, the ‘top’ partner in pederasty. At most these verses could possibly have listed pederasty as a crime, but not homosexual sex alone. You cannot read into the text the fact that, because something condemned includes another thing, that other thing is automatically condemned as well. For example, a person who breaks the commandment about not bearing false testimony against one’s neighbor must communicate to do so. Communication is not condemned, is it? The condemnation of pederasty cannot be clearly related, even in consideration of Jewish morals that Paul is familiar with, to a condemnation of homosexual sex. Look at http://www.clgs.org/5/5_4_3.html for further details on the specifics of Arsenokoites and Malakoi. Quote: Passage Romans 1:25-32: 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator�who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (NIV) While I thank you for the handy underlines, you might have misread the passage. Let me reline for you. Now. The first underlined word, lust, is condemned everywhere in the bible, and is not simply a condemnation of homosexuality. Using it as such is a perversion of the original texts. Next, we have a grammatical issue. The bolded words "furthermore, since" mean that what comes AFTER the "since" is the reason for condemnation by god, the second underlined portion. That's idolatry, and rejection of God, which is also condemned throughout the bible. Now, the last part, in italics, is "to do what ought not to be done". If God is giving these sinners over NOW, then they must not have actually been doing anything sinful yet. And look, the list of punishments he gives them seems to contain nearly every kind of sin in the bible! EXCEPT homosexuality. I wonder why? Quote: Also it is unnatural, it is like putting a bolt and a bolt together and saying it is a perfect fit, or putting a nut with a nut and saying it is a perfect fit, but truly the nut screws onto the bolt. Homosexuality has been documented in over 400 kinds of animals. Besides, just because something exists in nature does not mean it is right. Cannibalism exists in nature. Computers do not. Is cannibalism more right through nature, or are computers less moral? No. That's actually called the "Naturalistic Fallacy". Homosexuality in Animals- Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity- Salon: The Fabulous Kingdom of Gay Animals- Homosexual Behaviors in Animals- National Geographic: Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate- Wikipedia: Homosexuality in Animals- Seattle Times Article- Conversion Therapy Did Not Work for Penguins- More Fruit Flies: Females- Inside The Mind Of Gay SheepQuote: Same with the design of the male and female bodies. Also God made Adam and Eve instead of Adam and Steve for a reason. My heart and the Holy Spirit tell me I'm right. Appeal to tradition fallacy. Also, hearts and voices in your head are notorious for being biased toward your own prejudices. Quote: Here is some visual aid (for the nut and bolt thing): Sorry if one of the pictures is "inappropriate (however you spell that word)"=D Those aren't from the bible! They are somewhat funny, but they mean nothing whatsoever. Oh yeah; I'm gay, and Christian.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:42 pm
That is a hilarious picture. surprised blaugh eek rofl
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:24 pm
mike_johnson That is a hilarious picture. surprised blaugh eek rofl Meh. I found it kind of vulgar, in poor taste, and irrelevant.
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