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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:13 am
Youroka Kage Zalian Youroka Kage Zalian Youroka Kage Zalian May I inquire as to ask why you wish to halt the spar, Youroka? If there is some sort of error you wanted to point out or perhaps one within the spar itself, would it not be better to simply post that individual so that he/she could correct it? Though it's merely my opinion of course, I just simply believe it helps communication be kept at a stable condition not avoiding from interrupting the progress of a battle. There was a God mod claim in your fight be an anonymous person. It is the Guild Vice Captains job to look over the fight and see if the claim is to be true. This is in the guild rules. We will be doing our jobs, and we will get back to you when the fight reopens and/or Restarts as the guild rules state. Thank you, Youroka Kage Well I will not ask who made this accusation, but I would like to know what specific godmod attempt was made via claimed in the spar. That way, this will help me look over the details of these posts as well so that I too can examine what errors may have happened and could be easily rectified. Such information would be helpful for us participants as well in order to improve via change our tactics rather than possibly removing the thread, if such a decision is to be made. Dear sir, When the claim is put in, we stop the fight so that both parties do not continue fighting. This is because the claim can be put in by an outside source. I plan on Pming the person that I am in control of looking over for their posts after I am done analyzing them. Please wait, I am about half way done with what I must get done. Also, I would not delete the fight, for deleting is against my policy. I said restart, which in this case is a post that says fight restart if I find any godmods on this claim that I have been given. If I see no godmods, then I resume the fight where it started. If you give me about 20 more minutes, I will be done with this and I will pm my respective person with the mistakes that I have seen. Thank you, Youroka Kage I was no oblivious to this fact, Youroka. My inquiry resided in the details of the claim. In other words, I was simply asking what specific godmod was attempted? And if this anonymous individual even specified any. Overall, I was merely sharing an enlightened suggestion to help give a more thorough perspective of what I could do to recognize these errors myself and more frequently. My intentions of pming my inquiry to you was not our of any form of lack of patience. I fully understand what you are doing and I acknowledge that. Again, when I claim is made, the whole spar is in question, not anything spefic. When it is put in, we do not listen to what the person says where it is, we check the whole spar. So if you will be patient, then I can finish my job so that I can also move on. I am almost done. I would have finished sooner if you had not interrupted me. Now please, settle down and I will do this as fast as I can. Thank you, Youroka Kage Next message: Youroka Kage Zalian Not to sound rude at all, and with all do respect, but I do not think you understood me clearly. I was not, at any moment, impatient or distressed in any such manner as you claimed in your message. Telling me to settle down over something I was not even overreacting to was kind of presumptuous. Again, all I was really trying to do was ask if the anonymous individual had specified a particular error. Now I understand you are examining the spar all together, and I have no problem with that (And I apologize if my messages have been stalling your progress). But all I was really implying was that if a particular error is found and pointed out, wouldn't it be reasonable for such detail of that error to be shared with the participant(s)? It would at least help me understand that general error and whether or not if it's valid, it would help me keep that error in mind for future spars. Other than that, I was no more than merely curious is all. Again, You will find out when your Pm comes in. I'm sorry to inform you that I have had a hard day, It's already almost 1 am my time, and I am doing this on my birthday. So you will wait, I will tell you. I have not misunderstood you dear sir. The reason I told you to settle down was my way of saying please wait and I will return to you with the information that you are requesting. Also, it is not up to you to say weather this claim is valid or not. Again, please allow me to finish. You will have your answers then. Thank you, Youroka Kage SAINT UCHIHA Zalian SAINT UCHIHA Zalian So what do you make of all this? Any idea as to what godmod this anonymous person is claiming? i do not really know honestly i didnt see any god mod until i was told by the vice president that you have one eye which would mean it is highly unlikely for you to dodge my attacks (bala), which would be considered god i mod i presume : / That sounds like a ridiculous and invalid claim of error. Kenpachi wears an eye patch but do they specify whether or not he sees a certain attack heading for his blind spot? No. Just because someone has one eye doesn't mean that renders an individual's visual perception of the battle. Not to mention characters, in Bleach, don't always just rely on sight. They rely on many aspects of the human/shinigami body via attributes. Not just sight. This is totally absurd and obscured. What a nonsense excuse to claim such a thing as godmod! -.-
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:16 am
This does look like harassment to me.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:33 am
Not to be rude to anyone, but this was placed here for my personal view because my private messages are pretty much full right now with people I don't either giving me hate, or some kinda crap I don't want to be going through right now.
This is a form of harassment on Kage, abut on Saint it seems he is just venting and trying to gain understanding.
The one given to Kage, though annoying, is understandable because he is wishing to know something badly. There has been claims and facts of finding god mod in spars with him. So with this harassment and god mod violations, Zalian will be issued two strikes and a warning if a second claim found by Born-of-Shadow of Zalian god modding is found to be true.
Zalian will be issues the strikes and warning via-private message so he knows just how close he is to a perm-a-ban.
This is not a place for arguments to be brought up, or for other actions to be looked for. This case is closed and he has his last shot now, if he is found to be breaking another law after the time of 10:32 a.m. Central American Time on 7/2/2011, but the post has to be after that time frame, he will be issued his last warning and or strike, and then be removed from the guild.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:02 am
I apologize for this. I had not been keeping a close eye on him (Zalian) because of personal things that have continued to come up off of Gaia. I thought everything was going well....although it concerns me that this matter wasn't even brought to my attention but what will be will be.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:19 am
Enshara, this happened last night and I was informed that your watch over him was only for the first 2 weeks. The only reason this was brought to my attention was brought to my attention was because of Saint wanting me to read his fight. This was done in the course of 3 hours last night.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:16 pm
Zalian Youroka Kage http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=21750303&page=1 I have analyzed the fight and I am ready to give my assessment of it. When I say a post, I mean your post, not your opponents. The first thing is that due to what you have said in your posting, you have one eye. That is not on your RPC. I do not know if you are covering it, or that it is missing, either way, Your Depth Perception and Perphail vision are messed up. I have seen the Pm that you sent Saint about the Eye thing. Now you are right, they do not explain how Kenipachi or the 5th Espada can fight. There is one thing though, their fighting type is different from your own. You are a strategist, while they are barbarians. They will take damage, where sees you have not. Due to the standard strength of your RPC, you can not doges be hearing. In the 3rd post, first paragraph. It's not the fact that you are using Furikka, it's the amount of them you are using. No there is no limit to the amount of use, but the amount that you used, should make you tired. In the second paragraph, you violate the allowed amount of movement. The Max. for a soldier is 3 feet. In the 5th post, It is meta gaming. Not for the fact that you mention Hierro, but the toughness of it. You do not know that it is a higher strength than the normal. Also, many of the Hechizos involve silting your wrist to gain something. There is no way that you would have known that it increased his Hierro. In the 6th post, due to your RPC, your Character has standard strength. Due to this, you can not kick down a pillar, as if you were cutting it. The second thing is tha tSho is not strong enough to fly a pillar, with yourself on it. You need Breaking Palm or Detonating Impact. To the 7th and last post. Deflecting the Bala was an auto hit, seeing that Val could not dodge or block the attack. Reddeye Looking over Spar "Val'ugn vs. Zailan" - Witness is Kage aka Vice Captain of Soul Reapers of the Seireitei - Youroka Kage She is to copy this message and each one during this Skype Conversation and further that I post until I speak the words "End of Message." Case File = God Mod Member under my Watch = Zalian Member under Ace Brigade's Watch = SAINT UCHIHA During View of Zalian's third post, It is viewed that Zalian has broken a limit in distance allowed for a travel ability in which is limited to a distance of 3 feet in total. Zalian is viewed at the top of his second paragraph to have gone up to 5 feet, thus is viewed in a sense to have preformed a god mod by increasing an ability where it is not allowed. During Zalian's 5th post it is viewed that he has taken a series of Bala shots directly and has not been viewed to have taken any damage with his next movements. Zalian is then viewed to walk away during a cloud of smoke and debris, as if not effected by the wave of attacks that has made contanct, and then slash into nothingness. In Zalian's 5th post there is also a case of "meta-gaming" believed to be involved. In Zalian's 6th post there are 3 cases viewed. First, Zalian's RPC strength for "soldier" is not exactly powerful enough to kick down a pillar in one go, if such a pillar were to be taken down by a kick it would either 1) need to be weakened and rather easily broken, such as it being very ancient and falling apart. 2) He would have needed to taken a couple of hits at it. or 3) The pillar would have already been broken and he just kicked in order to push it off of where it had been sitting. Second, Zalian has been viewed to have brought in a "Sho" spell into the pillar in which as he descirbed has launched into into the air, as described, with great force to give it flight. This exceeds even a common sho among those of the "Captain's" rank, let alone a "Soldier" rank in which Zalian is. Third, Just like before, Zalian has been viewed to exceed what would be considered a 3 foot limit for a travel ability to latch onto the pillar to launch into the air. As read the pillar would have already been given air at a quick pace if the Sho given to it, with the illegal amount of strength put into it, which would more than likely cause a large gap far beyond a 3 foot jump and would be outside of the range for his travel ability. In Zalian's 7th post, he is being accused of "Auto-Hit" during his second paragraph in the middle he has typed out "Spreading his legs apart in a complete split, he kicked both of Val'gun's left and right arms apart, thus redirecting his aim just before he fired it." which is an a sense, a move in which he makes physical contact with his opponent's body in which the opponent has no control. End of Message. The use of Flicker Step was intended side to side between 2-3 feet each. The only detail that confirms this error was the 5ft forward. Only reason that unlike the spar from myself and Maika (in which I've specifically and fairly described how it did take a large strain to my character), this one was rather overused in Saint's part, thus forcing me to try and rethink the strategy. I find it remarkably unrealistic as to how many balas and ceros Saint was able to fire. As such, it seems that regardless of his rank, there is no specified limit to his energy balas or ceros whereas shinigami's can't even peroform as many kidos in the same amount. True, I misread the the limited length that Solider flicker step is able to reach. Though my post still stands. I would only change the description of length. As for the eye, I did not find that description to be anywhere near relevant to add in my profile. But even if I did, I would have most likely edited little information since yes, it indeed does hold some relevance to the character's background. But I digress. The accusation that has been implied upon my character's single eye is once again still invalid. Even Stark, the Primera Espada, who had release his resurrection and had something covering his eye also possessed sharp senses around him and was not the barbarian type. Regardless of either 3 of those characters, they still possessed sharp senses despite whatever blocked off of their vision. Now unlike most of the ex captains (which my character originally used to be in the past), I don't go boasting how Zalian used to be one or claim that he's as powerful as a captain. However, that does not mean that despite anyone being of any lower rank should exclude many possibilities of defeating a higher leveled person. So long as one uses their wits and plan things accordingly, then even a solider can defeat a captain. I should know because when I was a captain, I've always encouraged all lower ranks that even they can defeat a captain like myself. That being said, I always fought fairly and was realistic with my moves towards my fellow opponents. I can even say I've been defeated by a few lieutenants, officers and soldiers as a captain. Again, the fact that my character wears a mask that covers one eye does not and SHOULD not limit his ability to calculate and time his movements against any and all balas. You forget that aside from visually perceiving attacks, there are other senses that shinigami rely on in battle, such as sensing the spiritual energy that approaches them or is elsewhere. And of course hearing the attacks approaching is also still a useful attribute that Zalian would rely on to act strategically and accordingly. As described in some of his posts. He did not dodge all of them but others he decided to collide his blade against a few of the balas, change and redirect their trajectory. While as you claim this was attempted without a single scratch, you overlooked the attempt of when he was heading up to Val'gun. As described, I made up for the dodging of the balas by having my character just barely making it through the gaps of ceros (which again seemed overused and exceeded beyond his own limitations. I don't care if he did create a typhoon. Wind does not manipulate energy, nor enhance it to the point of multiplying it into several ceros. That was once again another error on Saint's part but I was willing to work my way around it since I'm sure he didn't know any better). In doing so, he risked burning both his left and right arms. Not too much but was still quite an effective injury. Again, when using the impact of the explosion to help gain more speed toward Val'gun, my character once again risked hurting his back in exchange for that. Overall, these risks, which were specifically described in the post, were meant as compensation. In other words, they were to make up for not having received damage from the earlier balas. That, in itself, showed that I still played in fairness towards Saint's posts, respecting his character's attacks despite them being overused and repetitive. As for his Heirro, that is a bit conflicting and contradicting to what you've stated. The Hechizo ability is provided in the main hall via the Hexagonal Rules section, for everyone to examine and understand how it is used. Again, Saint exceeded the density of his heirro by describing it as a captain's level. Whether my character knew about it or not was not the case of the situation. As described many times before, my character weighs options, theories, and possible course of actions to take. Zalian knew that the fact that Val'gun had TAKEN ON the balas confirmed to Zalian that Val'gun must have used something to accept the attacks without forming any blocks or dodges. As a result to that confirmation, Zalian once again theorized possible actions that Val'gun may have taken, thus allowing Zalian to strategically plan out multiple course of actions of his own. And as expected, Val'gun did indeed reacted just as Zalian thought he would. Perhaps not EXACTLY as he expected since he shot multiple ceros (like I said before, that was definitely overused) but still decided to see his plan through. These are preemptive strategies very few individuals are capable of and as such are not considered an act of "predicting" of any sort. It's a matter of weighing out options and possible moves against the opponent before it happens. In other words, putting together a strategy beforehand and in case the scenario changes you have other solutions already via preemptively planned out. That being said, when my character slashed down at his shoulder, he did not exclude the fact that his skin could possibly be enhanced. To be more specific, if Zalian would not be able to cut Val'gun, then he had planned to use that against him by using the shielded skin to halt HIMSELF (meaning Zalian) from flipping and his momentum of speed that was aiming towards him. Therefore, by stopping completely, this would immediately execuate Zalian's alternative plan to kick off Val'gun's bala. And as described again, in one of the posts, Zalian was beginning to understand the pattern in Val'gun's overused ability of ceros and balas. Overall, I will stand corrected to some degree of what you've claimed on "auto-hit". That was my mistake and I should have described the attempt more thoroughly rather than trying to rush my post with a quick instant physical contact without the opponent's consent. However, given the fact that Saint made his character STILL anticipate Zalian's approach was a bit far-fetched when I had already specifically described how my character used both his environment and Val'gun's attack to help push him further to the point of piercing through his sense of Pesquisa. This error, in Saint's part, alone forced me to rethink my way around this continuous godmod via over-usage of balas and ceros without having to complain about it. I did not wanted to ruin our spar because of his mistakes, let alone ruin the mood and the intensity of it. As far as I'm concerned, it seemed as though the both of us felt that our battle was just fine. And I respected his character's moves regardless of them being exceedingly overpowering and straining to him as well. Finally, as for the pillar, I will once again stand corrected. But only to some degree of what you have pointed out. Indeed you are correct, Sho should not have been powerful enough to propel the pillar into the air. Due to the fact that I have not been a soldier for years since I first joined this guild back in the day, I forgot how some kidos are not as effective as the higher ones. But again, as stated many times before, since Saint's constant godmoding was leaving me with little to no options, I had to strategically rethink my way around it all, thus forced to attempt minor cross of boundaries. But, it seems you've also once again overlooked some description as to what my character was doing. While Val'gun was plotting behind the thick debris, and since Zalian was beginning to find his constant use of balas and ceros via understanding his pattern, he took the time to let Val'gun charge his cero while Zalian walked behind a pillar. Now you may not have caught it, which in this case in what you've stated, it does not appear that you have, but what Zalian was slashing his sword at was the bottom part of the pillar in half, thus allowing it to be pushed off easier without overusing strength. By kicking the bottom of it forward, the top part of the pillar would result in falling toward HIS direction. Once using the "incorrect" kido (again, I admit I stand corrected of), he immediately timed that exact spell, right after, to flicker step a jump towards the pillar before it would take off, thus allowing him to latch on it with a quick stab of his Zanpakutou. All in all, these errors are minor and to some degree, I stand corrected to. HOWEVER, I still find the fact that whoever pointed out the one eye flaw is still absurd. Of all the things to n** pick, this anonymous person had to be THIS specific with this minor form of appearance to then comparing it to battle?! It's insulting and if I didn't know any better, I'd say this anonymous person feels overwhelmed and intimidated by how I've been posting. Of all the people that CONSTANTLY commit more than one godmoding every once in a while (which mind you, I've read quite a few myself) in all the spars, why does mine have to be considered a larger issue than the others? Again, if you read the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraph of my message, I have already justified how my character wearing a mask is still efficient in battle and that such a thing should not hinder his attributes or senses. It sounds to me that this anonymous person just wants to handicap me even further. It's demeaning and discouraging to both myself and the character that I play. I'm even more surprised that Arrancars are provided with so much without limitations to them while shinigami's are limited to the point that only kido spells will do them any good and will only last for as long as they are limited to the number of use. But as for Arrancars, they seem to have ceros, balas and other such powerful abilities without specified limitations to them like kidos have.
Bottom line, I WILL NOT render my character to a visual handicap just because he's wearing a mask to cover one eye. Again, of all the things to n** pick, that has to be one of THE MOST insignificant, invalid, and unacceptable flaw I have ever seen someone point out in my life. Never before have I had anyone make a complaint over something as minor as this. That might as well be saying my character is unfit for battle because of such a thing. Again, I refuse to limit my character to a visually handicapped fighter. And I'm sorry if this anonymous individual does not like my decision. I'm at least still being fair in my battles and I continue to show respect to my opponent's moves. Any and every other minor erros that I make in my posts I acknowledge and respect to some degree. But I also defend some aspects of my character's intentions and what has been misread.This was just sent to me from him in return to what was said about what had happened.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:19 pm
This is absolutely ridiculous. I just see everyone ganging up on Zalian, seeing who can break him first. This is a role playing group, God forbid I thought I didn't need to think every little detail out. If this is how the policy is going to be from now on, I can guarantee I'll be bringing up as many of the reports as are equal to the simplicity Zalian did.
Also, I'm astounded that you are trying to blame him on "sight" charges. If you'd actually look into it, even when a spiritual beings eyes are covered, they can still the reiatsu of the enemy. I'd like this to be dropped, on the sheer fact that this is very minimal and the fact that it's ridiculous.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:25 pm
Nobody get angry at me. I was pretty much asked to read his posts and spot any broken rules. If any other member was viewed to have broken rules and I was asked to over look it, I would be as detailed as I was with Zalian.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:37 pm
Quote: Zalian: It seems to me that I am probably speaking to the wrong person for this matter as it appears that you have quoted me and titled the thread as "Harassment From Zalian". How obscured and rude of you to so staggeringly misconstrue every word I have shared with you today. Again, clearly I am not speaking to a professional here as you seem to twist my approach towards this subject. I am INSULTED that you even thought that my message was, in any way, remotely intended as an harassment. I request to speak to someone who is actually willing and CAPABLE of actually interpreting my words correctly since you obviously continue to quote me in a thread that is framing me and misconstruing my approach in this matter. This was sent to me. I am handing this off to Born-of-Shadow. I can no longer do this, this is affecting my health in a bad way.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:20 pm
0.0.......
WELL, im kinda agreeing with Dakota here, this may look as if one is harassing another but you have to look from both points of view, Zalian clearly does not know what he has done and maybe not using the right words he was just trying for help, you also have to put into play Zalian is a man of honesty and justice and when he is put down like this it is obvious he would react like this. BUT as much as i hate to say it, do not get mad at me, but you have had it in for Zalian since day one of his rejoining to Soul Reapers of the Seretei.
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what done is done if Zalian has broken the rules delete the subject and get OVER IT, YOU also got to put into thought many of today's RPC's are once or going to be Captains did you ever think to yourself maybe its hard for him to Role play as a soldier when he was a captain in this guild for oh so long?
so in other words let bigons be bigons and move on we don't need to focus on this negativity within our guild there is more important matters to attend to.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:17 pm
Dear LORD, this man can talk. (And he uses big words to seem so smart, its really just confusing….) You know if he didn’t try to talk like Shakespeare all the time he’d get his points across much better. But I have to agree to some extent, 1) This is a bit ridicules, while annoying (and Annoyed) sounding I don’t see any real harassment, 2) It really doesn’t have to take this long to resolve this I mean really, 3) If his character has only one eye, regardless of how attuned his other senses he should still have SOME disadvantage in the fight because of it. So I agree with both, he broke rules, should get the strikes and warnings, but it is a bit ridicules that its titled harassment but the only harassment is the annoyance, and that this really should have already been resolved completely.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:34 pm
o.0?
Exactly what does he wish to accomplish in talking in pre-20th Century talk? I read Goethe's Faust and I can barely understand what he's saying. Anyways, I have to somewhat agree I don't see much harassment here other than being annoying, especially with that kind of speech. I honestly don't know Zalian in person so I can't really form much of an opinion on him, but being downright annoying should be dealt with.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:26 pm
I believe this discussion was over a while go. There should be no more posting on this issue. It is causing stress and that is something we do not need. All crew needs to work on other things. More important things then dealing with one small issue. So I am calling this discussion closed.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:40 pm
This thread has been closed, Roka's post deleted for not following it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No Posting Beyond This Point
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