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iAkura-kun

Prophet

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:22 am


Chakra Mouth
Exploding, Clay, Art




Description
Deidara was very intelligent, often using tricks, misdirection, and calculated gambles to get his explosives in range of an opponent, like he did in the fight against Gaara, putting clay into Gaara's sand when it destroyed his arm. As a long-range specialist, he was weaker in close combat, but skilled enough to hold off a close combat battle with specialists like Team Guy, handling a kunai in his mouth, and had a variety of techniques in his arsenal to escape close quarters when necessary. Deidara's abilities were well recognized within Akatsuki and the leader, Pain, openly admitted that he was something unique, and that his loss was a major blow to the group.

Exploding Clay- A fancy and skillful fighter, Deidara possessed special mouths in the palm of each hand to create Exploding Clay, chakra infused clay that detonates with the command Katsu and a single-hand hand seal. This clay could be molded into a wide variety of shapes and forms, growing to large sizes when infused with chakra (with Deidara performing the necessary hand seals) and could be controlled at will. This allowed him to create living explosives to attack opponents at long range. Deidara could even create clones from the clay, named Suicide Bombing Clones, that could be a deadly surprise for opponents. Deidara's clay creations ranged from microscopic to gigantic in size, allowing him to adapt to any situation. Deidara could also use the clay for other purposes, as he was frequently seen creating birds to be used for transportation. It seemed he also knew standard earth-based jutsu as shown from his Earth Release: Mole Hiding Technique, which he used to avoid damage from one of his mass-scale bombs. However, he could potentially run out of clay if he used too much of it, leaving him vulnerable.

Eye Enhancement- He also wore a scope on his left eye for long-range observation, and he had trained the eye itself to counter genjutsu, allowing him to see through and negate them. This was done in response to Itachi's powerful genjutsu skills, of which he had a considerable loathing and resolved to defeat if he got the chance. Also able to analyze Chakra Stats, Physical Stats, and analyze Bloodline Stats.

Rules
• Main element must be doton
• Clay bombs can be defused if struck by lightning
• Resistant to genjutsu
• Poor fighter in close combat

Techniques
*exploding clay*



- Exploding Clay; Clay Composition [Nendo Kibaku; Seihou no Nendo]
The user is taught to make clay for the exploding clay jutsu later on. It is a specially arranged mixture of clay and certain rock sediments. With this knowledge the user can make as much clay as they want. Passive



- Exploding Clay; C1 [Nendo Kibaku; C1]
A Ninjutsu skill utilizing a special, explosive clay and the user's chackra. This jutsu shapes up to one pound of clay and unlocks its explosive properties. Once activated, the user can cause the clay to explode any time within the next post. The clay can be animated and controlled to take the form of animals and objects. These objects are capable of moving normally



- Exploding Clay; C2 [Nendo Kibaku; C2]
A Ninjutsu skill utilizing a special, explosive clay and the user's chackra. This jutsu shapes up to two pounds of clay and unlocks its explosive properties. Once activated, the user can cause the clay to explode any time within the next 2 posts. The clay can be animated and controlled to take the form of animals and objects. These objects are capable of moving normally. By filling the clay with pockets of air that are made lighter through chackra, birds and such created by this jutsu are actually capable of flight.

- Exploding Clay; Carrier Version [Nendo Kibaku; Baikaibutsukou]
A Ninjutsu skill utilizing the special, explosive clay commonly used in the Exploding Clay; C2 jutsu. The user's chackra animates up to three pounds of clay. The clay is then shaped into a mobile form, usually that of an animal. Unlike the exploding versions, the clay will not explode, but instead expands to the point were up to two people can ride it. By filling the clay with air that is made light through chackra, the user is able to animate birds that are capable of flight, although doing so uses up more chackra then creating a walking version.



- Exploding Clay; C3 [Nendo Kibaku; C3]
A Ninjutsu skill utilizing a special, explosive clay and the user's chackra. This jutsu shapes up to three pounds of clay and unlocks its explosive properties. Once activated, the user can cause the clay to explode any time within the next 3 posts. The clay can be animated and controlled to take the form of animals and objects. This jutsu can also cause the clay to expend or condense at will, greatly controlling the damage done and allowing for more sneaky things to be done with the clay. These objects are capable of moving normally (with an agility of 6). By filling the clay with pockets of air that are made lighter through chackra, birds and such created by this jutsu are actually capable of flight.

- Self-Destructing Clone Skill [Jibaku Bunshin no Jutsu]
High in skill, the user can create one unique bunshin without the use of their hands. The clay bunshin can ingest 2 pounds of the explosive clay and focus its chackra to that internal spot in its body, namely the stomach. The chackra will activate the clay causing the bunshin to blow up in a violent explosion. Mainly the bunshin is used in Kamikaze attacks. The bunshin and explosion can also act as a decoy, allowing the user to escape from enemy detection.



- Exploding Clay; C4 [Nendo Kibaku; C4]
A Ninjutsu skill utilizing a special, explosive clay and the user's chackra. This jutsu shapes up to four pounds of clay and unlocks its explosive properties. Once activated, the user can cause the clay to explode any time within the next 3 posts. The clay can be animated and controlled to take the form of animals and objects. This jutsu can also cause the clay to expend or condense at will, greatly controlling the damage done and allowing for more sneaky things to be done with the clay. These objects are capable of moving normally (with an agility of 7). By filling the clay with pockets of air that are made lighter through chackra, birds and such created by this jutsu are actually capable of flight.
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:40 am


Alright, last night I was streaming through the bloodlines, looking for something to add to my Rpc, and I remembered that Duck had told me about the chakra mouth, and that I should try it out sometime, so I decided to give the clan a look, and when I saw it I noticed that there were a few things that didn't make sense.

For instance the fact that all the bomb types have the same explosive range, because this is not specified within the rules of the clan. As well as the fact that they can last a limited amount of posts, a max of three which is pretty dumb, in my opinion.

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Eye Enhancement- He also wore a scope on his left eye for long-range observation, and he had trained the eye itself to counter genjutsu, allowing him to see through and negate them. This was done in response to Itachi's powerful genjutsu skills, of which he had a considerable loathing and resolved to defeat if he got the chance. Also able to analyze Chakra Stats, Physical Stats, and analyze Bloodline Stats.


Okay, so does that mean everyone in the bloodline has the scope thing?

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• Poor fighter in close combat


In my opinion that should be dictated by the class the user has.

Also, I think that each exploding clay should have a maximum weight.
Example:

C1's Max would be 5 pounds.
C2's Max would be 15 pounds
C3's Max would be 25 pounds
C4's Max would be 40 pounds

- No post limit to how long the bombs last. Instead of giving them a set time, make them degrade with time. e.g Every 3 posts C1 passes without detonating it degrades by lowering it's blast ratio by x amount, after 3 more posts pass it degrades by x amount and by the ninth post C1's blast ratio is that of a paper tag.  

iAkura-kun

Prophet


Martin Spiralwave
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:01 am


The scope thing definetly doesn't belong there, I assume it will be scrapped.

And as long range fighters, they would match other shinobi's prowes in close combat. This is probably implemented to balance the clan.

Also instead of just lowering blast range, the strength of the blast should also be lowered.

If your going to give the Clay a weight system (which seems overcomplicated to be honest] you need to make a system for the maximum amount of clay that can be carried.

That Genjutsu Resistance needs to go, if anything Deidera trained hard for that trait and it doesn't make sense to give it to the clan.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:07 pm


Martin Spiralwave
The scope thing definetly doesn't belong there, I assume it will be scrapped.


Exactly, but, it would be nice to have, so if the bloodline is edited to something worth using, I might use it.

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And as long range fighters, they would match other shinobi's prowes in close combat. This is probably implemented to balance the clan.


Good point, but it still doesn't mean that just because you take a Chakra Mouth taijutsu user his close combat skills would be weaker.

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Also instead of just lowering blast range, the strength of the blast should also be lowered.


That's what I was aiming for, I just didn't find the words to do so.

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If your going to give the Clay a weight system (which seems overcomplicated to be honest] you need to make a system for the maximum amount of clay that can be carried.


Hm.. your right that would be overcomplicated.

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That Genjutsu Resistance needs to go, if anything Deidera trained hard for that trait and it doesn't make sense to give it to the clan.


I agree 100% Just because Deidara trained for it doesn't mean it has to be part of the bloodline.

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Also I think that there should be a jutsu that allows the user to create their own clay.

iAkura-kun

Prophet


Hikaro_rin
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:14 am


It was already agreed a while ago that the scope thing isn't automatic with the BL. It was special tech that Deidara had specifically, and while we hacen't seen any other ninja with it it would be silly to assume that everyone with the ability has a scope. (As an added note, we haven't seen any evidence that the chakra mouths isn't exclusive to Deidara, but that's not that important)

If you want a scope you would need to apply for it in custom tech, but know that it has been submitted and denied before so you will probably need to work with the custom tech guys to make it usable.

There shouldn't be a time limit. An intelligent user should be allowed to plant bombs somewhere at the beginning of the fight and then detonate them at the end. Think of how Deidara planted the bombs in Gaara's sand and then detonated them a good while afterwards. (OK, it probably would have been around three posts in POTS, but it does demonstrate the tactics that should be able to be used.)

The close combat is actually pretty fair, though with the profession system it isn't very easy to enforce. However it might not be a bad idea to remember you fight with explosives. You probably want to keep some distance for that reason alone.

I thought it had been agreed somewhere to remove the genjutsu resistance ages ago...
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:19 pm


When reading this bloodline, remember that it was written long ago, for a guild that did things by the show to a point. So whoever wrote this originally didn't really do the greatest job, as half the bloodline simply describes Deidara (Actually, we have a couple of bloodlines that simply describe a shinobi from the manga. The principle here can be applied to those in some ways). No, not everyone in the clan uses the scope thingy, but we've always given Chakra Mouth users a slight resistance to genjutsu. Thats what it should say, but instead, the writer simply wrote about Deidara's scope thing. And before you whine about how it doesn't HAVE to be there, Chakra Mouth users are already at a large disadvantage when using taijutsu, so think of the genjutsu resistance as the consolation for that.

Gregar828
Vice Captain

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