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wolf4life13

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:22 pm


Making this because it will likely be needed.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:31 pm


Okay, Wolf. I'm not saying that I can see things like freaking Neji behind me, but if I your RPC isn't attacking me directly, I have to keep my RPC aware. And a knife floating isn't very inconpicuous. The fact that it landed on the ground when I cut the web, then it moved so it should have made some noise.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:37 pm


The weapon in question is three blades, two obsidian and one steel, if I use earth levitation to raise one of the obsidian blades off the ground what sound would be made? Even if there was a slight shifting of the snow I would expect Beth to hear that not Connor. I think we both had a misunderstanding but it seems like the points become moot. I reread your post and saw that you cut it once, however the blade portion had been following the golems arm and since you cut it quickly the web from it would have burned from Snuffs fire attack. Even if it were not in heading towards your back it would not be pulling on the rest of the thread because it is doubling back. That is why I don't see how you would have seen it coming and been able to grab it.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:53 pm


Well since the gunslinger have excellent reflexes, Conner could have just instantly used Phantom Feint once he felt the blade touch his back. After all, you want it to be silent, right? Meaning you have to go slow. Because you can kind of hear it when a blade cuts through the airs resistance due to its wedge form.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:59 pm


you're comment about Omnipotence not being able to reach you made me think...

How are you pulling the threads, or even seeing us for that matter, if you're on the other side of the wall?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:10 pm


@ Hiro, perhaps but unless you're trained like Kenpachi you'd still get cut.

@ Snuff, I was looking over the top of the gate, my post at the bottom of page 16 specified that I sent a shikigami (dummy) and a sentry to the gate to announce me while I went up to the parapets and looked down from the walkway at the top of the gate. I've been there the whole time and only moved towards one side just before Hiro started to focus on my location. After sending the knife at his back I climbed down to hide under the stairs by sticking to the wall. I can't currently see you but could when I launched the knife. The threads are manipulated with energy not directly, it's a custom called thread control and can be found in my thread in the custom subforum.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:57 pm


wolf4life13
@ Hiro, perhaps but unless you're trained like Kenpachi you'd still get cut.


Look, when you add up the things Conner has, you'll ask yourself "How could he not dodge the thing?"

Conner has:
Great sight, good reflexes, dodges well, and can maneuver well. [Has had training for it since he knows Juijitsu.]

But you know how the phantom feint works right?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:09 pm


Yes you have a lot of great things going for you, when you see the attack coming. My entire point which you have yet to counter is that this comes from behind you. It's a knife flying at your back so to sum up your strength:

Great sight - No eyes in back of head means sight isn't a factor.
Good reflexes - Means he can say ow faster after being stabbed in the back. As above if he saw it coming it would come into play.
Dodges well - When an attack is perceived
Can maneuver well - This is related to how well you move to dodge so see above.

Essentially none of your points counter having a knife sent at your back, if you were a werewolf, kiranu, waktu, vampire, etc with heightened hearing it would be possible to hear the knife in theory but I fail to see how good eye sight will translate into dodging an attack to a blind spot.

Also keep in mind your movements for things like martial arts would be sluggish due to the damage to your feet.

I aimed at your back, not specific organs like the heart, lung, kidney, or liver so it isn't necessarily a deathblow but it would hurt like hell and do damage. I attacked from a blind spot to make it hard to dodge so I just can't accept it being dodged easily unless you had a way to react to it and that hasn't been provided yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:21 pm


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Yes you have a lot of great things going for you, when you see the attack coming. My entire point which you have yet to counter is that this comes from behind you. It's a knife flying at your back so to sum up your strength:

Great sight - No eyes in back of head means sight isn't a factor.
Good reflexes - Means he can say ow faster after being stabbed in the back. As above if he saw it coming it would come into play.
Dodges well - When an attack is perceived
Can maneuver well - This is related to how well you move to dodge so see above.

Essentially none of your points counter having a knife sent at your back, if you were a werewolf, kiranu, waktu, vampire, etc with heightened hearing it would be possible to hear the knife in theory but I fail to see how good eye sight will translate into dodging an attack to a blind spot.

Also keep in mind your movements for things like martial arts would be sluggish due to the damage to your feet.

I aimed at your back, not specific organs like the heart, lung, kidney, or liver so it isn't necessarily a deathblow but it would hurt like hell and do damage. I attacked from a blind spot to make it hard to dodge so I just can't accept it being dodged easily unless you had a way to react to it and that hasn't been provided yet.


You don't need to have good hearing to hear a 'Whoosh' sound in the air. anyone can hear that. -_-
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:41 pm


If it were large enough to make such a sound without going at such speeds as to make hearing it something to occur after the fact I would agree but if you throw a scalpel and can make it create such a sound you may want to contact guinness.

You said nothing about sound in your response
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When Conner noticed the bullet meet the barrier, he knew had had cast it instantly. He looked at Kora, yet no matter how much he tried he tried, he could not harm her. The murderous intent in his eyes seemed to soften as he looked at her, "Kora, can you please just leave?... I don't want you harmed." Then suddenly, he noticed the web that he had cut seemed to move once more. Instantly he seemed to have vanished, but really he appeared to the side of the obsidian knife and grasped its hilt tightly. The knife seemed to be capable of being levitated, interesting. "Why not show yourself, coward. you can still leave with Queen Kora for your own safety. You have my word that you will not be attacked if you leave now." He shouted out to the boy. If he valued his life, he would leave. Sooner or later, he would run out of tricks and he would get caught and die.


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Now that it's been pointed out you couldn't have seen it coming you then argued it would make noise moving up from the ground. Then you tried to say the moment it touched you, you could dodge. Then you said it would make a whoosh sound. This is not a swinging motion it's a scalpel stabbing towards you from a blind spot. It is not spinning, it is not arcing, it is not large. It isn't even thrown for that matter it's levitated and then moved forward to stab you so you wouldn't even hear the arm displacing wind you might if you throw something. The attack was made to be hard to notice and since you're speaking, a giant golem is moving, and falling, and Beth is moving I just don't see how you would notice it. If needed I can go over physics, aerodynamics, etc. end of the day though it truly seems you're grasping at straws.

We've both put out our arguments and you don't seem to want to accept it was a good move on my part nor have you shown me any way for you to have noticed it. As such we seem at an impasse and should probably ask a third party to judge for us so we can continue the RP. I don't want to post again until you have a chance so that the order isn't broken.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:50 pm


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If it were large enough to make such a sound without going at such speeds as to make hearing it something to occur after the fact I would agree but if you throw a scalpel and can make it create such a sound you may want to contact guinness.

You said nothing about sound in your response
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When Conner noticed the bullet meet the barrier, he knew had had cast it instantly. He looked at Kora, yet no matter how much he tried he tried, he could not harm her. The murderous intent in his eyes seemed to soften as he looked at her, "Kora, can you please just leave?... I don't want you harmed." Then suddenly, he noticed the web that he had cut seemed to move once more. Instantly he seemed to have vanished, but really he appeared to the side of the obsidian knife and grasped its hilt tightly. The knife seemed to be capable of being levitated, interesting. "Why not show yourself, coward. you can still leave with Queen Kora for your own safety. You have my word that you will not be attacked if you leave now." He shouted out to the boy. If he valued his life, he would leave. Sooner or later, he would run out of tricks and he would get caught and die.


Phantom Feint [Juijitsu Move]


Now that it's been pointed out you couldn't have seen it coming you then argued it would make noise moving up from the ground. Then you tried to say the moment it touched you, you could dodge. Then you said it would make a whoosh sound. This is not a swinging motion it's a scalpel stabbing towards you from a blind spot. It is not spinning, it is not arcing, it is not large. It isn't even thrown for that matter it's levitated and then moved forward to stab you so you wouldn't even hear the arm displacing wind you might if you throw something. The attack was made to be hard to notice and since you're speaking, a giant golem is moving, and falling, and Beth is moving I just don't see how you would notice it. If needed I can go over physics, aerodynamics, etc. end of the day though it truly seems you're grasping at straws.

We've both put out our arguments and you don't seem to want to accept it was a good move on my part nor have you shown me any way for you to have noticed it. As such we seem at an impasse and should probably ask a third party to judge for us so we can continue the RP. I don't want to post again until you have a chance so that the order isn't broken.


Actually that post was still when I had thought there was still a web there. :/ But Beth burned it.

Besides, you are quite far away, behind a gate. How could you possibly raise a small knife from so far away and get perfect aiming? You can't. You told Beth her whip couldn't reach you because you were very far away, so this comes into play as well. Thats like a gunslinger trying to shoot a target 5 by 5 inch thats 400 hundred feet away. -_- Your a biochemist. For you to lift the small thing from far away is nearly impossible. It landed on the snowy ground and got snow over it, so you shouldn't even be able to see it.

Also, on another note... How come your not visible again? Its been quite a while, I'm sure your potion doesn't hide you forever.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:10 pm


This seems to be confusing you, when I entered the battle I did not walk out into plain sight, I went to the walkway at the top of the gate and was looking down at everyone. I moved down behind the wall and out of sight after you shot at me and I sent the knife at your back. Attack and retreat basically.

In the case of Beth what I was pointing out to her was that I wasn't sure the chain would reach me from where she was because 1. I wasn't on the same level ground as you two meaning it wasn't just a matter of extending straight the ~41 feet it can reach. It had to travel forward to the gate then up towards me. 2. Also it was being used after the knife was sent at your back and I descended which meant it would have hit the wall not me if it was long enough to reach. She had the golem between her and you and you are still outside the gate. No definite distances have been given but with a giant golem, you, and some space between you and the gate indicated by your original plan to run towards me it is possible to estimate she would easily be 20-30 feet from the gate and it would be over ten feet high. That means the chain might not have reached me which is why she edited to take out the golem first.

You on the other hand had a knife sent at your back which is probably more of a two + feet x 1+ foot target from less than a hundred feet away and my accuracy in throwing weapons isn't the issue because it's my ability to perceive a hundred feet that comes into play with levitating and directing a blade with magic. The blade in question is in fact obsidian and it isn't that it hit the ground skidding, it's that I dropped it. If you look over the posts every time it was moving I was spending energy to levitate it. So a black blade get's dropped on white snow and you know exactly where because you 'dropped' it, that does not hide it.

At no point did I post or see a post saying snow was was kicked up to cover the blade. And I don't see what being a biochemist has to do with using earth and rock levitation from a distance somewhere between 10-50 feet away. No distances have been said but I saw nothing to indicate you were 400 feet away, approaching the gate and all even with slope calculated instead of width we're talking 30-60 feet maybe a bit more.

As for the visibility the potion is flawed by not having a time limit but I figured it would be about time for it to wear off however I just stepped onto a trap door in my last post which is different than the potion but more effective. Really it hasn't been all that long, it just seems like it because of all the OOC.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:14 pm


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This seems to be confusing you, when I entered the battle I did not walk out into plain sight, I went to the walkway at the top of the gate and was looking down at everyone. I moved down behind the wall and out of sight after you shot at me and I sent the knife at your back. Attack and retreat basically.

In the case of Beth what I was pointing out to her was that I wasn't sure the chain would reach me from where she was because 1. I wasn't on the same level ground as you two meaning it wasn't just a matter of extending straight the ~41 feet it can reach. It had to travel forward to the gate then up towards me. 2. Also it was being used after the knife was sent at your back and I descended which meant it would have hit the wall not me if it was long enough to reach. She had the golem between her and you and you are still outside the gate. No definite distances have been given but with a giant golem, you, and some space between you and the gate indicated by your original plan to run towards me it is possible to estimate she would easily be 20-30 feet from the gate and it would be over ten feet high. That means the chain might not have reached me which is why she edited to take out the golem first.

You on the other hand had a knife sent at your back which is probably more of a two + feet x 1+ foot target from less than a hundred feet away and my accuracy in throwing weapons isn't the issue because it's my ability to perceive a hundred feet that comes into play with levitating and directing a blade with magic. The blade in question is in fact obsidian and it isn't that it hit the ground skidding, it's that I dropped it. If you look over the posts every time it was moving I was spending energy to levitate it. So a black blade get's dropped on white snow and you know exactly where because you 'dropped' it, that does not hide it.

At no point did I post or see a post saying snow was was kicked up to cover the blade. And I don't see what being a biochemist has to do with using earth and rock levitation from a distance somewhere between 10-50 feet away. No distances have been said but I saw nothing to indicate you were 400 feet away, approaching the gate and all even with slope calculated instead of width we're talking 30-60 feet maybe a bit more.

As for the visibility the potion is flawed by not having a time limit but I figured it would be about time for it to wear off however I just stepped onto a trap door in my last post which is different than the potion but more effective. Really it hasn't been all that long, it just seems like it because of all the OOC.


But you never actually worded how the knife got behind Conner in the first place. I cut the wire before it could wrap around my legs which I don't know how the blade even got there since the blade was supposed to cut anyone who jumped when the golem did a sweeping punch. In no way had you stated that this blade had dropped behind Conner. It could have been to his right, or his left. But no your stating it fell behind him after he slashed the wire when he jumped down to face it.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:28 pm


I suggest you read my posts thoroughly. The bladed weapon was behind the golem's arm trailing razor wire. You went onto and along the golems arm then dropped down into the path of the wire. I pointed out that if it wrapped around you the weapon would begin arcing back then you turned to cut the wire and turned back to shoot at me placing the weapon behind you. If you had wanted to place the weapon in a particular spot then you should have after cutting the wire but since you didn't that left it where it would have last been, behind you since after cutting the wire you turned back towards me.

I've asked for a mod to judge this because we clearly won't reach an agreement on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:52 pm


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I suggest you read my posts thoroughly. The bladed weapon was behind the golem's arm trailing razor wire. You went onto and along the golems arm then dropped down into the path of the wire. I pointed out that if it wrapped around you the weapon would begin arcing back then you turned to cut the wire and turned back to shoot at me placing the weapon behind you. If you had wanted to place the weapon in a particular spot then you should have after cutting the wire but since you didn't that left it where it would have last been, behind you since after cutting the wire you turned back towards me.

I've asked for a mod to judge this because we clearly won't reach an agreement on it.


Where is the begining post for the knife in question?
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