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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:03 pm
Ya know, how is it that there are people who come to the U.S. from a different country, but turn out to be so ungrateful? A friend shared a cartoon about the sacrifces our military gives to protect the people of the U.S. But then we have people who come here who can't even respect our views.
One person, a Polan immigrant, said today that they don't understand the cartoons we post about the services of our military. It was a "Boddy, it's your right to not stand for the pledge, but let me introduce someone who can't stand because he was defending that right" *sits a Marine in a wheel chair*. Someone had enough nerve to say that our current troops are not protecting our rights. If we had no organized military we would be threatened by countries everyday who would want to invade. The proof is in the middle east and other countries that do not have an organized military. Hell, even if you have a small military, you're still threatened.
I do not understand where people get this logic. Like I said, if we did not have a military we would be under constant threat, domestic and foreign, even more so than we already are. There would be more terrorist attempts and success.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:51 pm
Your troops aren't protecting your rights. I don't understand that at all. Hell, I'm not sure your troops can't even protect their own rights so I don't see how they can protect anybody else's. Look at that poor dude who leaked stuff to wiki. Amnesty International is worried about him. That should say something. Your military has glaring problems.It is concerning.(Not the best sources, but I wanted you to know this isn't just my opinion.) Frankly at the rate your rights are being dissolved I'd worry less about what some Polish person thinks and more about how you're going to prevent your country from collapsing in on itself. Planned Parenthood looks like it's on its last legs, the disparity between rich and poor is ever-rising, your healthcare system is shocking, the union system is dwindling, your minimum wage is horrifyingly low, Wall Street continues to do what it did before the collapse, and your government is bought and sold. I can understand why that Polish person is taken aback. I am taken aback. Constantly. And your pledge is creepy. I mean, I don't know if Poland is any better, honestly. But I don't see why expression confusion regarding your comics makes them "ungrateful". I don't get them either. My country has a very small military. We sold off most of our air-force planes and we have, like, one ship in the navy. No one wants to invade us. Why? Because we're cool. Also because there's this thing called the UN which would probably be all frowny. Besides, your military isn't at home. They're not at home defending your borders from attackers. They're off in the middle east in a couple of ******** wars. So! What rights is the military protecting? How are they protecting them?
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:25 pm
I respect the men and women who join the military out of a sense of duty and I can't deny the horrible things that happen to a lot of them but I agree with a lot of what San said. There's a lot wrong with this country and I don't believe in blind allegiance to an ideal that isn't being lived up to or that having blind pride in your country regardless of reality is patriotic. Our country isn't what it should be or what most of us want to believe it is and at this point I really fear it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:00 am
I'm not referring to the economy here. I know it's about to callapse, what I am saying is without our military we would have already been taken over. I mean look at all the s**t going on in the middle east. The stupid presidents can't keep their frickin' nose out of there! How many people think Vietnam would have invaded us? How many people think the Japanese would have invaded us during WWII? I do, but since we have a fighting force, they saved us from the fight coming on to our soil. What would have happened to the American people if we had been invaded? It would be like WWII on our soil.
Our troops do protects us and our freedom. Sadly, considering they're spread all over the world doing the president's bidding, people think we can't defend our homeland and are too busy invading others. The Iraqis that we have met want us to be there. They like us because we're defending them. I'm sure the Libyan rebels are happy we're helping them, but that's going to turn in to what happened with Bush Sr. and the Taliban...
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:26 am
Aakosir Ya know, how is it that there are people who come to the U.S. from a different country, but turn out to be so ungrateful? A friend shared a cartoon about the sacrifces our military gives to protect the people of the U.S. But then we have people who come here who can't even respect our views.
One person, a Polan immigrant, said today that they don't understand the cartoons we post about the services of our military. It was a "Boddy, it's your right to not stand for the pledge, but let me introduce someone who can't stand because he was defending that right" *sits a Marine in a wheel chair*. Someone had enough nerve to say that our current troops are not protecting our rights. If we had no organized military we would be threatened by countries everyday who would want to invade. The proof is in the middle east and other countries that do not have an organized military. Hell, even if you have a small military, you're still threatened.
I do not understand where people get this logic. Like I said, if we did not have a military we would be under constant threat, domestic and foreign, even more so than we already are. There would be more terrorist attempts and success. You can have an organized military and not start senseless wars. It's not about not having a military, but currently, the wars that US is engaged in do more harm than good to the security of the US. Also, peace enforced by threat of mutual destruction is lousy. The real way to keep peace is economic codependency. That's why China, for example, doesn't invade the US, not because of military threats. Also, a large military isn't going to prevent any terrorist attacks. You can't fight terrorists with an army. The people who protect you from terrorists are the CIA and the FBI, not the military. All the military does is provoke more terrorist activity, which the CIA and FBI have to take care of. Quote: How many people think Vietnam would have invaded us? How many people think the Japanese would have invaded us during WWII? I do, but since we have a fighting force, they saved us from the fight coming on to our soil. What would have happened to the American people if we had been invaded? It would be like WWII on our soil. Japan had no interest in invading the US. They were interested in East Asia. The only goal of Pearl Harbour was to tell the US to back off, and let them spread through East Asia. And on the point of Vietnam, you seriously think Vietnam was going to invade the US? How??
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:20 am
Artto Aakosir Ya know, how is it that there are people who come to the U.S. from a different country, but turn out to be so ungrateful? A friend shared a cartoon about the sacrifces our military gives to protect the people of the U.S. But then we have people who come here who can't even respect our views.
One person, a Polan immigrant, said today that they don't understand the cartoons we post about the services of our military. It was a "Boddy, it's your right to not stand for the pledge, but let me introduce someone who can't stand because he was defending that right" *sits a Marine in a wheel chair*. Someone had enough nerve to say that our current troops are not protecting our rights. If we had no organized military we would be threatened by countries everyday who would want to invade. The proof is in the middle east and other countries that do not have an organized military. Hell, even if you have a small military, you're still threatened.
I do not understand where people get this logic. Like I said, if we did not have a military we would be under constant threat, domestic and foreign, even more so than we already are. There would be more terrorist attempts and success. You can have an organized military and not start senseless wars. It's not about not having a military, but currently, the wars that US is engaged in do more harm than good to the security of the US. Also, peace enforced by threat of mutual destruction is lousy. The real way to keep peace is economic codependency. That's why China, for example, doesn't invade the US, not because of military threats. Also, a large military isn't going to prevent any terrorist attacks. You can't fight terrorists with an army. The people who protect you from terrorists are the CIA and the FBI, not the military. All the military does is provoke more terrorist activity, which the CIA and FBI have to take care of. Quote: How many people think Vietnam would have invaded us? How many people think the Japanese would have invaded us during WWII? I do, but since we have a fighting force, they saved us from the fight coming on to our soil. What would have happened to the American people if we had been invaded? It would be like WWII on our soil. Japan had no interest in invading the US. They were interested in East Asia. The only goal of Pearl Harbour was to tell the US to back off, and let them spread through East Asia. And on the point of Vietnam, you seriously think Vietnam was going to invade the US? How?? Hey, I didn't say they were reasonable ideas, but if Vietnam had the power, I guarantee they would have tried. Who is to say they won't? There are so many countries that are pissed at the U.S. We used to be a SuperPower, but now we're just the nosy neighbors who want to control everything... I do not agree with what the U.S. has been thinking collectively for the past decade or so.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:09 pm
I wasn't talking about the economy. I was talking about the state of our government.
Also, we didn't go to Vietnam to stop them invading anyone. We went there to try and keep China out. Vietnam and Korea were both about China and communism. We also didn't go to Iraq to stop them from invading. We went because we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction. It was about political B.S.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:47 pm
Disclaimer: I got into another rant on this one. The last couple weeks I have grown increasingly dismayed regarding the US and its political bollocks. It makes me very angry, because the US is like an enthusiastic dog in a small room: it wags its tail and knocks over a table. What the US does affects the rest of the world, whether we like it or not. One of the reasons no one really likes the US right is that you keep bitching on about being "the land of the free" and "the land of opportunity" and so on while your actual opportunities are sucked into the black hole of Big Business. Your rights and your economic powers are interlinked when it comes to things like healthcare. You should have the right to proper healthcare. You should have the right to a decent education. These things are being stolen, for example with organisations like Planned Parenthood going down the shitter. PP provides cheap healthcare services that are hard to find in many areas if you are on a low wage. (Don't get me started on the "war on abortion". Apparently the life of a foetus is more important to some politicians than the life of the mother, or in one particular horrifying case, of the abortion provider. I'm concerned that this is reflective of underlying misogyny.) Equality - be it financial, gender, whathaveyou - is related to happiness. The wider the economic disparity, the worse off things are for everyone, not just the very poor. The more your wages fall, the more public funding is cut, the less you can save. If you're one payday from being out on the streets, from having no food or no power, there's nothing you can do but keep on working and paying too much in taxes and insurance (if you even HAVE insurance) while you get nothing back, until you retire and oh no! your 401k has been poorly invested by rich ******** who don't give a s**t if you live or die, and now you have nothing and you have to keep working until you're 90. And so long as you're chained to the work wheel, there's less you can do to speak up about it. Fewer marches you can attend, because you have to work two jobs to make ends meet. In some companies, striking for better pay, more work rights or even better basic health and safety will only get your place of work moved to Mexico. You're due a worker's revolution, and hey, more Americans have guns than have pets so you should be well set, but you won't have a revolution because your government has managed to drill into everyone's heads that socialism = fascism, capitalism = what jesus would do, and you should be happy to live in the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. Looking again at that comic you detailed, I'm still failing to understand it. You have the right not to stand, but I'm going to guilt you into it anyway? What? Is this a removal of rights via the back-door? Patriotism enforced through guilt or something? I don't feel sorry about soliders who go off and then come back disabled, because it's a war and frankly you should anticipate that sort of thing when you enlist. I do feel sorry about soldiers who go off to war and are shafted by politicians who don't care if they get paid, who come home wounded and find out there's s**t all to support wounded veterans, or vets with PTSD, or vets who can't find jobs because hey! there aren't many jobs and all your experience is in shooting wogs. (Towel-heads? What's the general middle-eastern racial slur in America?) ~~~ For everyone interested in the investment bank collapses of 2008, Inside Job - watch it before it gets removed. It's a damn good film.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:24 am
CalledTheRaven I wasn't talking about the economy. I was talking about the state of our government. Also, we didn't go to Vietnam to stop them invading anyone. We went there to try and keep China out. Vietnam and Korea were both about China and communism. We also didn't go to Iraq to stop them from invading. We went because we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction. It was about political B.S. No, we went to Vietnam to stop the Vietcong from taking over South Vietnam. We helped south Vietnam with a civil war. And Iraq, has many different theories about it. I personally think that it was Jr. trying to avenge his father since he did aide Sadam or Bin Laden, I forget, and they turned on him. It's exactly like the Libya scenario right now... We go to help the rebels, arm them, then they turn against us.
And I was referring to Sanguina with the government comment.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:33 am
Sanguina Cruenta Disclaimer: I got into another rant on this one. The last couple weeks I have grown increasingly dismayed regarding the US and its political bollocks. It makes me very angry, because the US is like an enthusiastic dog in a small room: it wags its tail and knocks over a table. What the US does affects the rest of the world, whether we like it or not. One of the reasons no one really likes the US right is that you keep bitching on about being "the land of the free" and "the land of opportunity" and so on while your actual opportunities are sucked into the black hole of Big Business. Your rights and your economic powers are interlinked when it comes to things like healthcare. You should have the right to proper healthcare. You should have the right to a decent education. These things are being stolen, for example with organisations like Planned Parenthood going down the shitter. PP provides cheap healthcare services that are hard to find in many areas if you are on a low wage. (Don't get me started on the "war on abortion". Apparently the life of a foetus is more important to some politicians than the life of the mother, or in one particular horrifying case, of the abortion provider. I'm concerned that this is reflective of underlying misogyny.) Equality - be it financial, gender, whathaveyou - is related to happiness. The wider the economic disparity, the worse off things are for everyone, not just the very poor. The more your wages fall, the more public funding is cut, the less you can save. If you're one payday from being out on the streets, from having no food or no power, there's nothing you can do but keep on working and paying too much in taxes and insurance (if you even HAVE insurance) while you get nothing back, until you retire and oh no! your 401k has been poorly invested by rich ******** who don't give a s**t if you live or die, and now you have nothing and you have to keep working until you're 90. And so long as you're chained to the work wheel, there's less you can do to speak up about it. Fewer marches you can attend, because you have to work two jobs to make ends meet. In some companies, striking for better pay, more work rights or even better basic health and safety will only get your place of work moved to Mexico. You're due a worker's revolution, and hey, more Americans have guns than have pets so you should be well set, but you won't have a revolution because your government has managed to drill into everyone's heads that socialism = fascism, capitalism = what jesus would do, and you should be happy to live in the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. Looking again at that comic you detailed, I'm still failing to understand it. You have the right not to stand, but I'm going to guilt you into it anyway? What? Is this a removal of rights via the back-door? Patriotism enforced through guilt or something? I don't feel sorry about soliders who go off and then come back disabled, because it's a war and frankly you should anticipate that sort of thing when you enlist. I do feel sorry about soldiers who go off to war and are shafted by politicians who don't care if they get paid, who come home wounded and find out there's s**t all to support wounded veterans, or vets with PTSD, or vets who can't find jobs because hey! there aren't many jobs and all your experience is in shooting wogs. (Towel-heads? What's the general middle-eastern racial slur in America?) ~~~ For everyone interested in the investment bank collapses of 2008, Inside Job - watch it before it gets removed. It's a damn good film. I agree with most everything you said. We all feel this way, and we are fighting for what we deserve, but how are we supposed to do anything when the government has too much power. Becuase they seriously have way too much power right now... And to many of us right now socialism = communism. Everyone in the military is pissed with the current president and all the changes he wants to make. The military is really the biggest group that is getting screwed over right now. And if there is a revolution, the government will be scrounging around for people to protect them since the military will either be standing idle or on the opposing side.
I think the comic is more of an awareness comic. Like "you have the right, but let me tell you what it cost some people". Our military volunteers to put their life on the line, but not many people appreciate them. I am actually very surprised by how many people do thank my husband. One person even bought us our pizza and another practically bought us our expensive dinner. But then you get the ones who scoff and stare at him with malice. And those people are usually the ones causing problems.
It is hard for supporters of causes to have their voice heard. But it is so simple for those opposting and slandering us to have their heard... It's very crooked. We used to be a proud country, but these ignorant and idiotic voices are what the world, and Americans, are hearing.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:42 pm
Aakosir CalledTheRaven I wasn't talking about the economy. I was talking about the state of our government. Also, we didn't go to Vietnam to stop them invading anyone. We went there to try and keep China out. Vietnam and Korea were both about China and communism. We also didn't go to Iraq to stop them from invading. We went because we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction. It was about political B.S. No, we went to Vietnam to stop the Vietcong from taking over South Vietnam. We helped south Vietnam with a civil war. And Iraq, has many different theories about it. I personally think that it was Jr. trying to avenge his father since he did aide Sadam or Bin Laden, I forget, and they turned on him. It's exactly like the Libya scenario right now... We go to help the rebels, arm them, then they turn against us.
And I was referring to Sanguina with the government comment.We (as a political body mind, not individuals) didn't give a rats backside about helping the South Vietnamese. We were only worried about the North Vietnamese because they were backed by communist China, which we feared was in a larger alliance with communist Russia. It was about stopping the spread of the terrible red menace. It was the cold war. Everything was a commy plot to take over the world. And we weren't there to because the South Vietnamese asked for our help either. We were there helping the French who were still trying to assert some degree of colonial rule over Vietnam. And did I mention that even though we were only supposed to be "supporting" the French military effort, we were shouldering around 80% of the cost of the thing? As for Iraq, While I agree somewhat with the idea that W. was fighting his daddy's war, but Bush the elder wasn't exactly what I'd call an ally of Saddam. It's hard to turn on someone you were never friends with. You might argue he turned on the US since our country was only too happy to help him into office when he was expelling Palestinian terroists (remember, we like Israel) but he never attacked us. Look up the Gulf War and Desert Storm please. Iraq had massive debts to Kuwait and they claimed that not only was Kuwait engaging in "economic warfare" against them, but that it was actually a territory of Iraq anyway so they invaded in an attempt to annex it. This was condemned by the international community and the US led the charge to push Saddam out of Kuwait. After all, we couldn't have them getting uppity and trying to invade Saudi Arabia next (holder of most of the rest of their massive debt and the place our oil comes from). Anyway, we succeeded. Hurray. We won. But we didn't stop with completion of our stated goals. No. We had to march into Iraq after the Iraqi soldiers, get within 105 miles of Baghdad, and then decide it was time to go home. Bin Laden was another thing altogether. He wasn't in Iraq. Near as we can tell, al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq. There were in Afghanistan (where we are also still fighting). They were merely useful boogiemen to scare us into letting the Iraq war happen. Shout terrorists and watch us all cower. If we were concerned with dealing with that problem we really should have focused on that instead of Iraq's imaginary WMDs. And did you know we armed and funded al-Qaeda (or what would become al-Qaeda) when they were fighting Soviets in the 70's and 80s? We gave them lots of money. Yeah. That was a great plan there. Lets give money to the violent extremists because they happen to be fighting someone we're scared of at this moment. It's not like they've got anything against any of our major allies in the area (*cough*Israel*cough*) or that their current conflict might ever end and allow them to look for more targets right?
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:01 pm
Aakosir Sanguina Cruenta Disclaimer: I got into another rant on this one. The last couple weeks I have grown increasingly dismayed regarding the US and its political bollocks. It makes me very angry, because the US is like an enthusiastic dog in a small room: it wags its tail and knocks over a table. What the US does affects the rest of the world, whether we like it or not. One of the reasons no one really likes the US right is that you keep bitching on about being "the land of the free" and "the land of opportunity" and so on while your actual opportunities are sucked into the black hole of Big Business. Your rights and your economic powers are interlinked when it comes to things like healthcare. You should have the right to proper healthcare. You should have the right to a decent education. These things are being stolen, for example with organisations like Planned Parenthood going down the shitter. PP provides cheap healthcare services that are hard to find in many areas if you are on a low wage. (Don't get me started on the "war on abortion". Apparently the life of a foetus is more important to some politicians than the life of the mother, or in one particular horrifying case, of the abortion provider. I'm concerned that this is reflective of underlying misogyny.) Equality - be it financial, gender, whathaveyou - is related to happiness. The wider the economic disparity, the worse off things are for everyone, not just the very poor. The more your wages fall, the more public funding is cut, the less you can save. If you're one payday from being out on the streets, from having no food or no power, there's nothing you can do but keep on working and paying too much in taxes and insurance (if you even HAVE insurance) while you get nothing back, until you retire and oh no! your 401k has been poorly invested by rich ******** who don't give a s**t if you live or die, and now you have nothing and you have to keep working until you're 90. And so long as you're chained to the work wheel, there's less you can do to speak up about it. Fewer marches you can attend, because you have to work two jobs to make ends meet. In some companies, striking for better pay, more work rights or even better basic health and safety will only get your place of work moved to Mexico. You're due a worker's revolution, and hey, more Americans have guns than have pets so you should be well set, but you won't have a revolution because your government has managed to drill into everyone's heads that socialism = fascism, capitalism = what jesus would do, and you should be happy to live in the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY. Looking again at that comic you detailed, I'm still failing to understand it. You have the right not to stand, but I'm going to guilt you into it anyway? What? Is this a removal of rights via the back-door? Patriotism enforced through guilt or something? I don't feel sorry about soliders who go off and then come back disabled, because it's a war and frankly you should anticipate that sort of thing when you enlist. I do feel sorry about soldiers who go off to war and are shafted by politicians who don't care if they get paid, who come home wounded and find out there's s**t all to support wounded veterans, or vets with PTSD, or vets who can't find jobs because hey! there aren't many jobs and all your experience is in shooting wogs. (Towel-heads? What's the general middle-eastern racial slur in America?) ~~~ For everyone interested in the investment bank collapses of 2008, Inside Job - watch it before it gets removed. It's a damn good film. I agree with most everything you said. We all feel this way, and we are fighting for what we deserve, but how are we supposed to do anything when the government has too much power. Becuase they seriously have way too much power right now... And to many of us right now socialism = communism. Everyone in the military is pissed with the current president and all the changes he wants to make. The military is really the biggest group that is getting screwed over right now. And if there is a revolution, the government will be scrounging around for people to protect them since the military will either be standing idle or on the opposing side.
I think the comic is more of an awareness comic. Like "you have the right, but let me tell you what it cost some people". Our military volunteers to put their life on the line, but not many people appreciate them. I am actually very surprised by how many people do thank my husband. One person even bought us our pizza and another practically bought us our expensive dinner. But then you get the ones who scoff and stare at him with malice. And those people are usually the ones causing problems.
It is hard for supporters of causes to have their voice heard. But it is so simple for those oppoting and slandering us to have their heard... It's very crooked. We used to be a proud country, but these ignorant and idiotic voices are what the world, and Americans, are hearing. Governments only have as much power as we're willing to let them get away with. We could call for impeachments and recall elections but we won't. We're too apathetic for that. We complain a lot but don't ever actually do anything. and the military (at least the active military, veterans support and aid is deplorable) isn't the group that really getting screwed. Would you like to know what's going on in Michigan right now? The governor has decided the best way to fix our massive budget problem is to tax the poor and the old, and give breaks to big corporations. He's also cutting chunks of student aid and unemployment, and attacking unions, a la Wisconsin. The people getting screwed here are the common workers and those with the least. It's making me sick! And you can't lay that all at the feet of Obama, who currently has his hands somewhat tied by the Republican controlled House. Personally, I think they all suck. I'm not saying I don't have a huge amount of respect for our soldiers and veterans. My dad's a Vietnam vet and I've volunteered at the VA hospital and those people deserve our respect and our care for what they've sacrificed and seen. But I don't have to respect the pointless wars that kill and maim so many young men and women or the establishment that doesn't want to give them proper care when they return scarred inside and out. I respect and revere the American ideal but the country we live in is far from that. And as the comic point out, people have fought and died for our rights (including the right to ignore the pledge of allegiance). But what better way to honor that sacrifice than to exercise those rites? If you have some objection to the pledge or anything similar, I would prefer you sit it out. At least you seem to actually be considering the matter. How is it more respectful for millions of school kids to recite it by rote every day without any understanding or care of the meaning of the words. They don't teach what it's about. They just teach empty syllables. That's not respect. Also, I agree with San. The pledge of allegiance is kinda creepy. If you want to read something that makes me feel patriotic, then check out this bit of speechifying by FDR.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:30 am
CalledTheRaven Aakosir CalledTheRaven I wasn't talking about the economy. I was talking about the state of our government. Also, we didn't go to Vietnam to stop them invading anyone. We went there to try and keep China out. Vietnam and Korea were both about China and communism. We also didn't go to Iraq to stop them from invading. We went because we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction. It was about political B.S. No, we went to Vietnam to stop the Vietcong from taking over South Vietnam. We helped south Vietnam with a civil war. And Iraq, has many different theories about it. I personally think that it was Jr. trying to avenge his father since he did aide Sadam or Bin Laden, I forget, and they turned on him. It's exactly like the Libya scenario right now... We go to help the rebels, arm them, then they turn against us.
And I was referring to Sanguina with the government comment.We (as a political body mind, not individuals) didn't give a rats backside about helping the South Vietnamese. We were only worried about the North Vietnamese because they were backed by communist China, which we feared was in a larger alliance with communist Russia. It was about stopping the spread of the terrible red menace. It was the cold war. Everything was a commy plot to take over the world. And we weren't there to because the South Vietnamese asked for our help either. We were there helping the French who were still trying to assert some degree of colonial rule over Vietnam. And did I mention that even though we were only supposed to be "supporting" the French military effort, we were shouldering around 80% of the cost of the thing? As for Iraq, While I agree somewhat with the idea that W. was fighting his daddy's war, but Bush the elder wasn't exactly what I'd call an ally of Saddam. It's hard to turn on someone you were never friends with. You might argue he turned on the US since our country was only too happy to help him into office when he was expelling Palestinian terroists (remember, we like Israel) but he never attacked us. Look up the Gulf War and Desert Storm please. Iraq had massive debts to Kuwait and they claimed that not only was Kuwait engaging in "economic warfare" against them, but that it was actually a territory of Iraq anyway so they invaded in an attempt to annex it. This was condemned by the international community and the US led the charge to push Saddam out of Kuwait. After all, we couldn't have them getting uppity and trying to invade Saudi Arabia next (holder of most of the rest of their massive debt and the place our oil comes from). Anyway, we succeeded. Hurray. We won. But we didn't stop with completion of our stated goals. No. We had to march into Iraq after the Iraqi soldiers, get within 105 miles of Baghdad, and then decide it was time to go home. Bin Laden was another thing altogether. He wasn't in Iraq. Near as we can tell, al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq. There were in Afghanistan (where we are also still fighting). They were merely useful boogiemen to scare us into letting the Iraq war happen. Shout terrorists and watch us all cower. If we were concerned with dealing with that problem we really should have focused on that instead of Iraq's imaginary WMDs. And did you know we armed and funded al-Qaeda (or what would become al-Qaeda) when they were fighting Soviets in the 70's and 80s? We gave them lots of money. Yeah. That was a great plan there. Lets give money to the violent extremists because they happen to be fighting someone we're scared of at this moment. It's not like they've got anything against any of our major allies in the area (*cough*Israel*cough*) or that their current conflict might ever end and allow them to look for more targets right? The Cold War is something completely different than Vietnam. The Cold War was an arms race, two superpowers "fighting" each other for power. It was a lot of political crap. That's when McCarthyism came around and the paranoia of Communism.
I do not know much about Desert Storm, surprisingly I don't think my history class is going to cover it, but we're talking about Watergate and Reagan's conservative policies... I don't really like this hitory class too much. It seems to be too much about politics.
And yea, that's what I was talking about. We practically armed the terrorists that would then target the U.S. Which is exactly what we're doing with Libya right now!
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:43 am
CalledTheRaven Aakosir I agree with most everything you said. We all feel this way, and we are fighting for what we deserve, but how are we supposed to do anything when the government has too much power. Becuase they seriously have way too much power right now... And to many of us right now socialism = communism. Everyone in the military is pissed with the current president and all the changes he wants to make. The military is really the biggest group that is getting screwed over right now. And if there is a revolution, the government will be scrounging around for people to protect them since the military will either be standing idle or on the opposing side.
I think the comic is more of an awareness comic. Like "you have the right, but let me tell you what it cost some people". Our military volunteers to put their life on the line, but not many people appreciate them. I am actually very surprised by how many people do thank my husband. One person even bought us our pizza and another practically bought us our expensive dinner. But then you get the ones who scoff and stare at him with malice. And those people are usually the ones causing problems.
It is hard for supporters of causes to have their voice heard. But it is so simple for those oppoting and slandering us to have their heard... It's very crooked. We used to be a proud country, but these ignorant and idiotic voices are what the world, and Americans, are hearing. Governments only have as much power as we're willing to let them get away with. We could call for impeachments and recall elections but we won't. We're too apathetic for that. We complain a lot but don't ever actually do anything. and the military (at least the active military, veterans support and aid is deplorable) isn't the group that really getting screwed. Would you like to know what's going on in Michigan right now? The governor has decided the best way to fix our massive budget problem is to tax the poor and the old, and give breaks to big corporations. He's also cutting chunks of student aid and unemployment, and attacking unions, a la Wisconsin. The people getting screwed here are the common workers and those with the least. It's making me sick! And you can't lay that all at the feet of Obama, who currently has his hands somewhat tied by the Republican controlled House. Personally, I think they all suck. I'm not saying I don't have a huge amount of respect for our soldiers and veterans. My dad's a Vietnam vet and I've volunteered at the VA hospital and those people deserve our respect and our care for what they've sacrificed and seen. But I don't have to respect the pointless wars that kill and maim so many young men and women or the establishment that doesn't want to give them proper care when they return scarred inside and out. I respect and revere the American ideal but the country we live in is far from that. And as the comic point out, people have fought and died for our rights (including the right to ignore the pledge of allegiance). But what better way to honor that sacrifice than to exercise those rites? If you have some objection to the pledge or anything similar, I would prefer you sit it out. At least you seem to actually be considering the matter. How is it more respectful for millions of school kids to recite it by rote every day without any understanding or care of the meaning of the words. They don't teach what it's about. They just teach empty syllables. That's not respect. Also, I agree with San. The pledge of allegiance is kinda creepy. If you want to read something that makes me feel patriotic, then check out this bit of speechifying by FDR. But in the entire country, the military is one of the largest groups that is being screwed. Yea, there is no middle class anymore so the poor are being screwed even more. But those people have a bit more of a choice than the military. Their governer is definitely crooked, so why don't they ban together to get him out? The military can't say anything or else we'll get discharged or demoted. We could lost everything for saying we don't like Obama. What is the worst that will happen to a civilian if they say "you suck. Get out"?
I do not agree with this war right now. It feels like another Vietnam, which I know many others have said. It seems pointless and we stuck our noses in where they did not belong. There were no WMD's, which many of us doubted anyways.
I do not agree with the wording of the pledge. Pledgeing to a flag, which I know is a symbol, but it is specifically "I pledge allegiance to the flag" Um... No. We should pledge allegiance to the country, not the symbol of the country. But it does say "and to the Republic, for which it stands", but America isn't a republic. We're not even really a Democracy anymore... Either the pledge needs to be reworded or the country needs some major change, but I think the religious aspect should be looked at. "One nation under god", considering there are man different religion in the U.S. and we have a right to our religion, but the pledge does seem to say, "no, you still have to be Christian" And I'm going to stop picking it apart because I will keep going... But it does feel like brainwashing, having to say it every day. I was glad that in high school we didn't repeat it every day. But being respectful and sitting quietly, or standing with your hands behind your back is better than throwing a fit.
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:56 am
Aakosir I'm not referring to the economy here. I know it's about to callapse, what I am saying is without our military we would have already been taken over. I mean look at all the s**t going on in the middle east. The stupid presidents can't keep their frickin' nose out of there! How many people think Vietnam would have invaded us? How many people think the Japanese would have invaded us during WWII? I do, but since we have a fighting force, they saved us from the fight coming on to our soil. What would have happened to the American people if we had been invaded? It would be like WWII on our soil.
Our troops do protects us and our freedom. Sadly, considering they're spread all over the world doing the president's bidding, people think we can't defend our homeland and are too busy invading others. The Iraqis that we have met want us to be there. They like us because we're defending them. I'm sure the Libyan rebels are happy we're helping them, but that's going to turn in to what happened with Bush Sr. and the Taliban... What, you mean the s**t OUR MILITARY started and propagates to the benefit of those in the oil and weapons businesses?
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