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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:36 pm
surprised Somedays, i dream about having a family.
Always had the idea of two children: a girl and a boy.
My little girl would birth first..
but also pondered, how could i teach a child to take care of the world that we live? confused
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:26 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:22 pm
When children are little, showing them by example- like volunteering to clean up a part of a park or something can help.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:12 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:26 am
I should explain what I mean: Obviously you care very much; your passion must come from somewhere. Try to think back to the lessons and experiences you have had throughout your life that have shaped your values. It may help to make a list or write them in a journal as they come to you. Were there any books that especially touched you? Any sights that expecially impacted you? Any people who especially influenced you? Your thoughts and experiences make you who you are. If you want to pass on the value of the lessons that you learned, it may help future generations to tell them the stories of your life. Pass on your favorite books and movies. Take them to your favorite parks. Show them what makes you passionate. Lead through example (as Esiris suggested). Make the experiences and lessons personal and they will have a lasting impact.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:08 am
I have to echo Yanueh's sentiments. We have plethora of perfectly acceptable children already, so there's no need to "buy" more. Don't be afraid of adoption. Nurture can compensate or remove nature - i.e. - adopting from a third world country with less educated adults won't mean your child will be poor and ill educated. Adopting is reducing and reusing and thus is very environmentally friendly.
Edit by Yanueh: I accidentally hit the "edit" button instead of the "reply" button, and ended up snipping some of the post to create my reply. So sorry!
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:52 am
Yanueh and I disagree vehemently on this.
@ Pirhan: "locally grown children?"
Adoption is wonderful. Fostering children is wonderful. Having your own children is wonderful. The difference in the "quality" of the adult-to-be comes from the "quality" of the parenting they receive. "Quality" in human beings cannot be determined by a test or by where a person is placed on a chart. It's not determined by your I.Q., income level, or who you know. Quality comes from who you are.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:07 am
Quote: I have to echo Yanueh's sentiments. We have plethora of perfectly acceptable children already, so there's no need to "buy" more. Don't be afraid of adoption. Nurture can compensate or remove nature - i.e. - adopting from a third world country with less educated adults won't mean your child will be poor and ill educated. Adopting is reducing and reusing and thus is very environmentally friendly. Erk. Adoption isn't the magic fix-all for child-greed that some think it is. Children in third-world countries have far lower carbon footprints than children in first-world countries. If you're going to import a child from a third-world country, you might as well have one yourself. Adopting children from a first-world country isn't magic, either. You have to be rich enough, able-bodied, and not older than a certain age (I forget what it is). Most children in the system are, in fact children, many with developmental disorders. Cute gurgling babies are a rarity. Also, if you're a white person considering adopting a non-white, you have to make sure you're ready for the responsibility. Are you willing to learn how to groom African hair, if your child is black? Do you know how to prepare your child to live in a world dominated by white privilege? Are you prepared to spend the long haul finding materials that affirm your child's race's existence in the world? And most importantly, are you willing to take your lumps and educate yourself about white privilege?
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:43 am
sunsetsmile @ Pirhan: "locally grown children?" xD That's my really bad sense of humor. I was speaking of children from the same country as you. I did a few quick searches and found that if I, a Canadian, wanted to adopt a Canadian child, it is very inexpensive or free. Adopting a child from a third world country is much more expensive and time consuming. I wish there was more information and education on quality parenting. Regardless of adoption, income, whatever, quality is key in creating well-rounded adult individuals. Yanueh Adopting children from a first-world country isn't magic, either. You have to be rich enough, able-bodied, and not older than a certain age (I forget what it is). Most children in the system are, in fact children, many with developmental disorders. Cute gurgling babies are a rarity. According to the links above, er, below, if you adopt in country, it's pretty much free. http://www.canadaadopts.com/canada/faqs.shtml#gi3 http://costs.adoption.com/ The environmentally friendly statement was more failed humor at my part. When you adopt a child you're using something that's already there. We can't recycle children (at least I don't think! eek ) so once someone is born, they are here until they die. So if a couple wants to have a child, they can have one of their own or they can adopt an pre-existing child. If they have one of their own, that's an additional body on the planet where they could reasonably have the same family if they had adopted which would of negated that extra person. With all this said, I don't think women who wish to have children should be shamed into adopting instead. Or that she should be shamed for having children instead of adopting. My beef is when children are born for their parents reasons as in the sole reason "it'll strengthen the marriage". It is completely unfair for a child to be responsible for her/his parents marriage fortification. (Or to carry the family name/business/etc.) (Re: accidental edit: Don't worry, I do it all the time! <3)
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:33 am
For me, it's a tossup between vanity children and people like the Duggars who think it's their holy mandate to breed like vermin.
But as it is, there are already too many humans on this planet, and overpopulation is the number one cause of environmental destruction. Unless more people start thinking with their brains instead of their glands, it's only going to get worse.
While I don't support human extinction, I think VHEMT's list is quite on the dot.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:07 pm
Yanueh For me, it's a tossup between vanity children and people like the Duggars who think it's their holy mandate to breed like vermin. But as it is, there are already too many humans on this planet, and overpopulation is the number one cause of environmental destruction. Unless more people start thinking with their brains instead of their glands, it's only going to get worse. While I don't support human extinction, I think VHEMT's list is quite on the dot. I think the problem is less over population and more a mismanagement of resources- usually because of greed. With proper resource management, a person only needs about 1acre to live on. The world has 36,794,240,000 acres- the population could be 4x what it is and still not be over populated if we managed our resources right. Just because we could doesn't mean we should though. wink
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:18 pm
Esiris With proper resource management, a person only needs about 1acre to live on. The world has 36,794,240,000 acres- the population could be 4x what it is and still not be over populated if we managed our resources right. Are you taking into account the fact that most of those acres aren't suitable for human habitation?
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:27 pm
Yanueh Are you taking into account the fact that most of those acres aren't suitable for human habitation? I'm taking into account that we overcome adversity- and that I was talking about a near perfect use of resources for the high number. 3nodding I guess it's just that when people say we're overpopulated, I'd agree- if we keep using resources the way we do now. If we stopped worrying about making profits and started worrying about taking care of the world and by extension- us, as a species now and in the future, that would change. It makes me glad that this guild is here.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:49 pm
Some cities are overpopulated, perhaps, but the world isn't. Esiris is right, people overcome adversity. It's one of the great joys of life to meet a challenge, and do it well. There is a great deal of land available to meet the needs of the people of the planet. When people are not taught that they cannot do something, for whatever reason, and taught to think critically and solve problems constructively, lots of the social problems that are blamed upon overpopulation, etc., will be solved.
There is a lot of "stirring the pot" going on in the world, pitting one group of people against another. It's nothing new, and it's something that each and every person in the world needs to see for what it is and guard against. Some people seem to believe that it is perfectly acceptable to judge the worth of others, and decide whether their life is of value or not. I encourage all of you to do a search for Margaret Sanger quotes, and look around you. Ms. Sanger's attitudes have permeated the western world, not only in the arena of birth control and population control, but also as far as the environmental movement and regulation, and are very similar to some other cultural attitudes in the world. Do these attitudes solve problems, or create them? Do they encourage people to be the best that they can be, or make all of us less than our best? This is one that every person has to answer for himself or herself.
Interesting that a simple question about teaching children has led us to this place so quickly.
Do your own research, and think.
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:33 pm
sunsetsmile Interesting that a simple question about teaching children has led us to this place so quickly. Poor PoetaBrasileiro is probably thinking we're a wacky bunch! Thankfully we're a good group and work well with each other. Starting with volunteering or even jobs with younger kids will get you used to their way of thinking. It'll be different when you have your own as they're growing up with you and your values and not coming to you with their own. Best what I would think is teach by example. You do what you can and what you think is best and your child should follow suit. 3nodding And sorry that we got a bit off topic! heart
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