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Uniforms? |
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:19 am
So I am finishing an essay on school uniforms. I have to include two different sides of the arguements in my paper.
Well I did not know that uniforms are decreasing violence in schools. I didn't know that kids were getting beat up over their expensive or inexpensive clothes. I found that pretty sad. We never had a case like that in my schools, not that I heard of at least.
And in some schools uniforms even improved test scores. I found that pretty amazing. But really when you think about it, kids are less worried about what the others wear since they are all wearing the same thing, so they concentrate on their work better.
The cons, I have, are that kids will always find a way to dress that still breaks the uniform code. They'll dye their hair and get piercings and such. The girls roll up their skirts to make them shorter, the guys get pants that are too big, so they hang off their a** and are baggy. And kids will come to school not even in uniform, so then the teachers and all have to deal with them. In one article I read that boys were giving girls eraser burns on their knees, since the skirts were so short. O.o Question 1, what girls would let a guy do that to her and 2, what type of a*****e would do that to a girl? *shaks head* I also have included that it infringes on and holds back creativity and makes students feel "like another brick in the wall".
So what's your view on school uniforms?
Pro? Cons? Overall opinion?
Edit: After writing my paper, I realized I am for uniforms. And I also deleted the poll by accident...
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:53 pm
Pro: Uniforms make everyone look the same. No one looks way too different. This gets rid of the major thing in school which is kids being in social groups depending on how you dress. It's like making anonymous friends: You don't really know who they are until you talk to them. That makes it easy for kids to get along and be happier in school, it even makes kids more organized, too.
Con: It destroys the only freedom kids have in school. Not only that, but it ruins a kid's creativity to visually express himself among his peers. This is a great way to meet people you will most likely like.
Personally, I like the neutral option which is just to have freedom of clothing with certain regulations. That way, kids can wear what they want under pretenses but still has it to where the kids mostly look the same.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:38 pm
The "ruins kids' creativity" line is crap. No it doesn't. You can wear what you like in the weekends and on mufti days. You can, and do, express yourself creatively in other ways. Besides, people who wear whatever they like to school aren't expressing their creativity most of the time. They're wearing cookie-cutter s**t they bought as-is from a store.
Uniforms were fine. It meant you never had to think about what to wear which was helpful. No one really cared about it except when it was too cold during winter. Every college and intermediate school here has a uniform. The only real down-side is that they're fairly pricey. Plus, it meant mufti days were especially exciting.
Last year of college you could wear mufti all the time, which was great as well because it gave you that bit of extra privilege, plus demonstrated that you were trusted enough to dress responsibly for school. So for 7th formers, on mufti day you dressed up according to a particular theme, e.g. what you wanted to be when you grew up etc.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:48 pm
Sanguina Cruenta The "ruins kids' creativity" line is crap. No it doesn't. You can wear what you like in the weekends and on mufti days. You can, and do, express yourself creatively in other ways. Besides, people who wear whatever they like to school aren't expressing their creativity most of the time. They're wearing cookie-cutter s**t they bought as-is from a store. That's a nice assumption there. Care to back it up? As for the rest, you have a point. Most kids wont. However, it gets rid of the opportunity to express who you are. Some wont take it. Some will. Who knows. As for weekends and days off, that doesn't help make friends AT SCHOOl. Most kids meet other kids there. Days off are spent hanging out with such kids they met. You can;t hang out with someone you don't know.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:52 pm
Captain_Shinzo Sanguina Cruenta The "ruins kids' creativity" line is crap. No it doesn't. You can wear what you like in the weekends and on mufti days. You can, and do, express yourself creatively in other ways. Besides, people who wear whatever they like to school aren't expressing their creativity most of the time. They're wearing cookie-cutter s**t they bought as-is from a store. That's a nice assumption there. Care to back it up? As for the rest, you have a point. Most kids wont. However, it gets rid of the opportunity to express who you are. Some wont take it. Some will. Who knows. As for weekends and days off, that doesn't help make friends AT SCHOOl. Most kids meet other kids there. Days off are spent hanging out with such kids they met. You can;t hang out with someone you don't know. Which is the assumption? You make friends based on what they wear? Seriously? neutral Are you saying people are less likely to make friends if they're not wearing their own clothes, or something?
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:54 pm
I can post several pieces from college database articles, with studies, that will support Sanguina's side. In all of the articles I read there were a lot of kids who said they didn't really care about the uniforms.
I first thought it would infringe on creaticity, but if you have a good school they will show other ways to express it. And it is true about the cookie cutter clothes. How many kids wear Abercrombie because they think it's cool and what not. Soooo many kids do. Hell, all the "freaks" shop at Hot Topic and they have a very limited selection.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:24 pm
In some school districts, I think the benefits of uniforms are over exaggerated and chosen instead of fixing deeper issues.
Also kids will still find a way to keep a status quo. I remember back when I was going to middle school in New Orleans, that even with the uniforms in place, you could still get picked on for not having the "in" shoes, bookpack, designer uniform, or other uniform accessories.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with uniforms, they really aren't bad, I just think that parents and school officials jump on the uniform bandwagon expecting more from it than it will actually do.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:39 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Captain_Shinzo Sanguina Cruenta The "ruins kids' creativity" line is crap. No it doesn't. You can wear what you like in the weekends and on mufti days. You can, and do, express yourself creatively in other ways. Besides, people who wear whatever they like to school aren't expressing their creativity most of the time. They're wearing cookie-cutter s**t they bought as-is from a store. That's a nice assumption there. Care to back it up? As for the rest, you have a point. Most kids wont. However, it gets rid of the opportunity to express who you are. Some wont take it. Some will. Who knows. As for weekends and days off, that doesn't help make friends AT SCHOOl. Most kids meet other kids there. Days off are spent hanging out with such kids they met. You can;t hang out with someone you don't know. Which is the assumption? You make friends based on what they wear? Seriously? neutral Are you saying people are less likely to make friends if they're not wearing their own clothes, or something? Don't assume what I do. Assume what others do, which is usually the case.
The assumption is that kids don't wear cool s**t. Although, I'd like to give them good credit that they do. Like wearing the shirt of an indie band you really like.
No, kids don't make friends with other kids by what they wear. By how someone dresses, it usually expresses what they are like and such. This can be a thing you have in common with someone and can branch off into more things. Or, let's take the opposite effect. Ever read the book "Sleeping Freshmen Never Lie"? In the story, the main character dates the goth girl at the end. However, they would have never met if he never became interested in her foreign style to him. That actually happens everyday in schools.
Then again, that is just my opinion. Say what you wish, I just like the idea of pleasing the kids and letting them wear what they wish.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:14 am
rmcdra In some school districts, I think the benefits of uniforms are over exaggerated and chosen instead of fixing deeper issues. Also kids will still find a way to keep a status quo. I remember back when I was going to middle school in New Orleans, that even with the uniforms in place, you could still get picked on for not having the "in" shoes, bookpack, designer uniform, or other uniform accessories. Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with uniforms, they really aren't bad, I just think that parents and school officials jump on the uniform bandwagon expecting more from it than it will actually do. Some kids are still going to be pricks no matter what, definitely. But uniforms can help with misbehaving in class. Some classes and schools will benefit, others not so much. It depends on the races in the school, really. In my teaching class I learned that the mindset of some people are very different from others. I didn't really expect that to be in the curriculum. So some stereotypes explain their behavior, despite what some think. It also depends on the school and how they are teaching and upholding the uniform deal. So there's a lot that could go wrong.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:49 am
I didn't go to a school with uniforms, so I'm not sure how valid of a con this is:
It has the potential to force social gender roles (e.g. skirts for women).
Otherwise I think rmcdra brought up a good point: the con of uniforms seems to be how many people hold a uniform up to a standard that it may not be able to deliver, many of which could be symptoms of a larger social issue.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:44 am
I think, more than a few schools are allowing girls to wear dress slacks if they want to. Hell, I wouldn't want to wear a skirt to school everyday.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:21 pm
Aakosir I think, more than a few schools are allowing girls to wear dress slacks if they want to. Hell, I wouldn't want to wear a skirt to school everyday. I hate to pull this card, but I know how much it will help with your research... how many is "more than a few"?
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:27 pm
4shi Aakosir I think, more than a few schools are allowing girls to wear dress slacks if they want to. Hell, I wouldn't want to wear a skirt to school everyday. I hate to pull this card, but I know how much it will help with your research... how many is "more than a few"? I just posted the wrong stuff XD I'll look in to it
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:48 pm
Aakosir 4shi Aakosir I think, more than a few schools are allowing girls to wear dress slacks if they want to. Hell, I wouldn't want to wear a skirt to school everyday. I hate to pull this card, but I know how much it will help with your research... how many is "more than a few"? I just posted the wrong stuff XD I'll look in to itTake your time smile I'm just wanting to feel useful with a paper.
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