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 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:19 pm
Protecting animal rights is by far the biggest waste of time know to man. I don't really care for animals and I never will. I have not become so blinded, that I would give up fate in man kind. Look, If you have a problem with people because you think there all "mean", you should know, your no better.
How? You have given up on humanity and only give a dame about little woodland creatures. Who could you be hurting?
Surprisingly, a lot of people.
I can never, WILL NEVER, fight for animal rights when the fight for peoples rights hasn't even been won. Slavery, poverty, and famine rages war on humanity still. And you want me to give a dame about some cat that's going to be put down. Animal shelters and other such agencies only siphon donations that could be going to better causes. I am sickened by people who would look at others with shame. Just because they didn't feed there dog. People are having a hard enough time feeding themselves. I'm sorry the rest of the world isn't doing as well as you.
Now I do know that there are some people out there that exploit animals. But guess what, same happens to people all the time. I see it all they time. Your going to donate some money to insure some unwanted pet isn't put down. When I'm more then sure, you know (or at least have seen) a homeless person within' your area who could use the money.
Today I had some skinny, hippie-looking, vegetarian hand me a pamphlet helping animals today. I crumpled it up and tossed it back at her. She was extremely puzzled, as where a few other people staring. At least you know why.
So, lets sum it up. Donating money to animal shelters = Big waste of time.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:44 pm
Good points. I personally love animals. But I love people more. People will always come first.
As for shelters; what if the reason we have shelters is to prevent disease? Animals tend to spread disease as well. I personally wouldn't mind no shelters for animals and to let them run free because I'm definetly not agaisnt eating any animal like a cat or dog. If it came down to us being broke and foodless a good population of dogs and cats due to a lack of control with them could benifit man very well. I have good recipes for both species lol. It would be like a fall back. Let the animals over breed and spread in case we need to eat them.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:45 pm
I agree. Not as much as you, but I can agree.
Except for the homeless part. Most homeless people are drug users and spend all their cash on any substance they can find. I'd rather spend it on myself then just give some hobbo a fix.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:49 pm
Captain_Shinzo I agree. Not as much as you, but I can agree.
Except for the homeless part. Most homeless people are drug users and spend all their cash on any substance they can find. I'd rather spend it on myself then just give some hobbo a fix. That's why we don't give homeless money but rather food and shelter. I have no problem helping others with food and shelter. But I would rather the government stay out of my pockets trying to force me to give others food and shelter; I'll give on my own. Shoot if I had no taxes I'd have more to spend on food and shelters for others. I personally wouldn't want my money going into politician pockets nor any form of military.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:52 pm
Azkeel Captain_Shinzo I agree. Not as much as you, but I can agree.
Except for the homeless part. Most homeless people are drug users and spend all their cash on any substance they can find. I'd rather spend it on myself then just give some hobbo a fix. That's why we don't give homeless money but rather food and shelter. I have no problem helping others with food and shelter. But I would rather the government stay out of my pockets trying to force me to give others food and shelter; I'll give on my own. Shoot if I had no taxes I'd have more to spend on food and shelters for others. I personally wouldn't want my money going into politician pockets nor any form of military.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:59 pm
I can see what your getting at with animal shelters. But, I still think it be easier to put them down then deal with upkeep of all those animals.
Onto your cats and dogs part.
Why not just kill off bears. (No one likes them anyways)
~ Less bear attacks.
~ Large supply of bear meat for a few years.
- Until they die and the price per pound goes up.
~ People would replace bears in there respected ecosystems.
+ More food.
+ Easier to control ecosystems that bears where once apart of.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:06 pm
Because bears are natural to the areas? I have no problem with hunting bears for food. We just shouldn't over hunt anything so we keep a balance for our natural food supplies. I'm for farms ranches and natural food supplies. That's all we need as humans; food and shelter. ******** oil ******** cars so on and so forth. I'd rather the human populous go back to nature with some control over it like farms and ranches. I also like aqua ducts and sewer systems. So we need water, food, and shelter. That's all humans need. We can throw in love too.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:21 am
Now here I suppose I will have to play devil's advocate.
I think the real question is why do you think animal advocates don't care about ALL living beings?!
I'm a vegan, i support veganism, I encourage others to go vegan, or at least eat less meat(its healthier :] )
BUT that's no excuse to not work at homeless shelters, to help those less fortunate.
You can help other living beings capable of feeling fear and pain three times a day. It's the LEAST you can do to help the planet and others.
If a person can't go vegan for legit reasons(which is rare) I understand and i don't push the matter, and while I'm against hunting, I'd rather people do THAT instead of buying the factory farmed s**t.
I encourage people to adopt animals from shelters rather than buy from pet shops.
How is that bad?
And how DARE you say veg*ns have given up on humans! We're NOT giving up on ******** humans, how can you say that when we encourage others to be compassionate!?
I don't donate my money to shelters, I volunteer. People donate money to all sorts of causes cuz they're lazy. What a lot of shelters and such need are volunteers. Manpower. Just because one may choose A cause like vegetarianism or veganism doesn't mean they can't have NUMEROUS causes.
Oh, and veganism got me more interested in politics and the way the world works. It opened my eyes. If I was still an omni I can guarantee you I'd still be a sheep.
Perhaps you should have asked that vegetarian whom gave you that leaflet what other causes she took part in that are not animal related. You'd be surprised.
/rant
EDIT: That time I had to type out a ******** defense for ONE of my causes I could have been doing something productive. >_>
Thanks man. Thanks.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:01 am
umm ok. Personally, I find your veiws a little f-ed up, but you probably think the same about mine so ok. I like to try and treat animals on a more equal scale. Obviously, we can't just let them free and treat them like humans or anything. And of course humans are always going to be more important to most humans, because it's natural. We as humans are a species, so obviously, we're placing more importance on ourselves.
But I don't see why me supporting animal shelters and going vegan would mean I don't care about the humans. My family donates money to human charitys every month. I can't stand people who just don't care about other people who are going through pain and suffering and starving. I love animals, including people. I guess I just have a love for all living things. And while I probably spend more time focusing on animals, don't think that means I don't give a s**t about people, because I do. It sounds like your saying that all people who help animals, don't care at all about humans. If that's what you believe then you have your facts wrong.
But whatever. I'll continue buying my pet supplies where the money goes towards a shelter, or supporting animal shelters by going to events when they're on. I'll continue having compassion, and actually giving a damn when some moron abuses animals just for the hell of it. Obviously it means I've lost fate in man.
I don't see why humans think it's ok to treat other animals like s**t. Nor do I see why humans think it's ok to treat other humans like s**t. but it's fine, since I've probably already lost fate in man and will never care about human beings because I've just a heartless b***h like that rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:39 am
Let's see how well the OP does when there are no more animals. Protecting animals and the eco system is a big way to help protect humans.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:33 am
Vegans are one of the biggest contradictions out there. How are you going to stand on a side that is against cruelty to all living things when plants still fall under the category of living things. Taking the stance of vegan is the most illogical thing you can do, next to being religious and non-conformity (Or being a dame hippie... I hate hippies). One main reason people are a vegan is because plants don't scream, cry, or yelp in pain when you rip them out of the ground and chop them up for your salad. It's the main reason I can respect vegetarians a bit more. At least there a bit more honest.
Note: People could be vegans because they are non-violent by nature, its not just a way of eating but a way of life to. But I don't care, it doesn't change the fact that I can't make any sense of it.
Whether that girl supported multiple causes doesn't change the fact that time is being wasted. All it means is that she could put more time, money, and man power into more human based causes.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:56 pm
Well of course plants don't scream cry or yelp in pain when we oh so ferociously chop them into pieces.
You know why?
They don't feel pain! They do not have nervous systems!
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:30 pm
Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:07 pm
Sohisohi I can see what your getting at with animal shelters. But, I still think it be easier to put them down then deal with upkeep of all those animals. Onto your cats and dogs part. Why not just kill off bears. (No one likes them anyways) ~ Less bear attacks. ~ Large supply of bear meat for a few years. - Until they die and the price per pound goes up. ~ People would replace bears in there respected ecosystems. + More food. + Easier to control ecosystems that bears where once apart of. ...humans are animals... stare why have homeless shelters or hospitals? it would be cheaper and easier to put the humans down... more resources for the living humans. just a thought...
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:08 pm
Vanilla eXee
Let's see how well the OP does when there are no more animals. Protecting animals and the eco system is a big way to help protect humans.agreed, without animals all would be lost,
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