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 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:19 pm
I thought we could use a topic where we could discuss all the TF movies. From the 80s movie to the Live Action movies to the movies yet to come.
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:21 pm
OK, what is everyone's beef with the TF: Live Action movies?
Yes, they're bad, but they're not THAT bad! Why is everyone getting their panties up in a bunch? They really aren't much worse than any other Micheal Bay action movie. Really people what where you expecting?
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:43 am
I think peoples' problem is generally that they were expecting it to be G1 verbatim and not a reboot. Their disappointment then becomes solidified as 'Not G1' = 'Sucks'.
Personally, I think as a reboot it's not as good as the top tier like Animated, but it's definitely far from the worst. Give me Bayformers over Armada any day.
I will go as far as saying that Bay's movies are collectively the single greatest toy commercial ever made.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:01 am
my hate for bay and his formers runs deep then "its not gen 1" a bad movie is a bad movie, and its only made money because of the transformers name, if it was the go bot movies do you think for a sec it would have done as well?
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:35 am
I absolutely love the 80s movie, and to be honest I can't stand Michael Bay's movies. Not because 'anything not G1 sucks', but because the plot and character developments just don't really work for me :/
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:54 pm
Personally I am and was fascinated with the Bots and that Bay was capable of bringing the bots to live action. The sequences and everything was great. What sucked was his ability to write a good story. G1 had that piece where you can see each character and development. Bay's movie doesn't have much of that. In fact the first one didn't have any. The only identifying characteristics was when they introduced themselves at the very beginning and that was it. The rest was of them doing body guard duty. Hardly useful or purposeful.
So I would disagree with saying his movie sucked just because it didn't fit G1. His movie sucked because he failed to write a captivating story focused on Transformers instead of focusing on Transformers saving Earth or Transformers protecting humans.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:49 am
BogiePop my hate for bay and his formers runs deep then "its not gen 1" a bad movie is a bad movie, and its only made money because of the transformers name, if it was the go bot movies do you think for a sec it would have done as well? With the same director, actors, action, and special effects? Yes. Yes it totally would have.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:57 am
DevilsLight Personally I am and was fascinated with the Bots and that Bay was capable of bringing the bots to live action. The sequences and everything was great. What sucked was his ability to write a good story. G1 had that piece where you can see each character and development. Bay's movie doesn't have much of that. In fact the first one didn't have any. The only identifying characteristics was when they introduced themselves at the very beginning and that was it. The rest was of them doing body guard duty. Hardly useful or purposeful. So I would disagree with saying his movie sucked just because it didn't fit G1. His movie sucked because he failed to write a captivating story focused on Transformers instead of focusing on Transformers saving Earth or Transformers protecting humans. The problem with a serious story about just robots is that nobody would watch it but the hard fans, and the hard fans aren't a big enough audience to pay back a big budget effects-driven blockbuster. A movie about only CGI robots has to be a kid's movie to get any money. The movie you want would flop in the box office.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:11 am
I really enjoy both the 80s Transformers movie and the live actions ones that have come out. They're all really good in my opinion! heart I don't see why so many people hate them. sad
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:26 pm
Mylian BogiePop my hate for bay and his formers runs deep then "its not gen 1" a bad movie is a bad movie, and its only made money because of the transformers name, if it was the go bot movies do you think for a sec it would have done as well? With the same director, actors, action, and special effects? Yes. Yes it totally would have. You are a trooper. Or just have really bad taste in movies...
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:35 pm
Mylian DevilsLight Personally I am and was fascinated with the Bots and that Bay was capable of bringing the bots to live action. The sequences and everything was great. What sucked was his ability to write a good story. G1 had that piece where you can see each character and development. Bay's movie doesn't have much of that. In fact the first one didn't have any. The only identifying characteristics was when they introduced themselves at the very beginning and that was it. The rest was of them doing body guard duty. Hardly useful or purposeful. So I would disagree with saying his movie sucked just because it didn't fit G1. His movie sucked because he failed to write a captivating story focused on Transformers instead of focusing on Transformers saving Earth or Transformers protecting humans. The problem with a serious story about just robots is that nobody would watch it but the hard fans, and the hard fans aren't a big enough audience to pay back a big budget effects-driven blockbuster. A movie about only CGI robots has to be a kid's movie to get any money. The movie you want would flop in the box office. I would disagree. Avatar was completely CGI of enlarged smurfs and it had a "serious" story to it with character development. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were all fantasy but serious and people loved it. The problem isn't what the characters were, the problem is the plot sucked, the focus was lost and humans typically is fascinated with plot and development. It's a narrative. For example Terminator was great and then it flopped and then it was great again. It wasn't the CGI or explosions, that made it great again. It was the story. In fact the special effects and all that crap made the movie suck because there was no story, no narrative, no voice, no purpose. That's my take on it with Bay's movie. Personally if I wasn't a fan of TF I would have ditched the 2nd movie after witnessing what the first one looked like and rented it when it came out because I don't feel $15 was worth my buck.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:57 pm
BogiePop Mylian BogiePop my hate for bay and his formers runs deep then "its not gen 1" a bad movie is a bad movie, and its only made money because of the transformers name, if it was the go bot movies do you think for a sec it would have done as well? With the same director, actors, action, and special effects? Yes. Yes it totally would have. You are a trooper. Or just have really bad taste in movies... The public has bad taste in movies. You don't have to share that bad taste to recognize that.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:04 pm
DevilsLight Mylian DevilsLight Personally I am and was fascinated with the Bots and that Bay was capable of bringing the bots to live action. The sequences and everything was great. What sucked was his ability to write a good story. G1 had that piece where you can see each character and development. Bay's movie doesn't have much of that. In fact the first one didn't have any. The only identifying characteristics was when they introduced themselves at the very beginning and that was it. The rest was of them doing body guard duty. Hardly useful or purposeful. So I would disagree with saying his movie sucked just because it didn't fit G1. His movie sucked because he failed to write a captivating story focused on Transformers instead of focusing on Transformers saving Earth or Transformers protecting humans. The problem with a serious story about just robots is that nobody would watch it but the hard fans, and the hard fans aren't a big enough audience to pay back a big budget effects-driven blockbuster. A movie about only CGI robots has to be a kid's movie to get any money. The movie you want would flop in the box office. I would disagree. Avatar was completely CGI of enlarged smurfs and it had a "serious" story to it with character development. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were all fantasy but serious and people loved it. The problem isn't what the characters were, the problem is the plot sucked, the focus was lost and humans typically is fascinated with plot and development. It's a narrative. For example Terminator was great and then it flopped and then it was great again. It wasn't the CGI or explosions, that made it great again. It was the story. In fact the special effects and all that crap made the movie suck because there was no story, no narrative, no voice, no purpose. That's my take on it with Bay's movie. Personally if I wasn't a fan of TF I would have ditched the 2nd movie after witnessing what the first one looked like and rented it when it came out because I don't feel $15 was worth my buck. You know how many times the aliens in Avatar had to be revised until they looked human enough for an audience to relate to? You're going in the wrong direction if you want to make a comparison here. If you want to make a comparison to a modern well-told CGI story about just robots, the only comparison there really is to be made is WALL-E, and they had to make the robots cute enough for an audience to connect to.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:05 pm
Mylian DevilsLight Mylian DevilsLight Personally I am and was fascinated with the Bots and that Bay was capable of bringing the bots to live action. The sequences and everything was great. What sucked was his ability to write a good story. G1 had that piece where you can see each character and development. Bay's movie doesn't have much of that. In fact the first one didn't have any. The only identifying characteristics was when they introduced themselves at the very beginning and that was it. The rest was of them doing body guard duty. Hardly useful or purposeful. So I would disagree with saying his movie sucked just because it didn't fit G1. His movie sucked because he failed to write a captivating story focused on Transformers instead of focusing on Transformers saving Earth or Transformers protecting humans. The problem with a serious story about just robots is that nobody would watch it but the hard fans, and the hard fans aren't a big enough audience to pay back a big budget effects-driven blockbuster. A movie about only CGI robots has to be a kid's movie to get any money. The movie you want would flop in the box office. I would disagree. Avatar was completely CGI of enlarged smurfs and it had a "serious" story to it with character development. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were all fantasy but serious and people loved it. The problem isn't what the characters were, the problem is the plot sucked, the focus was lost and humans typically is fascinated with plot and development. It's a narrative. For example Terminator was great and then it flopped and then it was great again. It wasn't the CGI or explosions, that made it great again. It was the story. In fact the special effects and all that crap made the movie suck because there was no story, no narrative, no voice, no purpose. That's my take on it with Bay's movie. Personally if I wasn't a fan of TF I would have ditched the 2nd movie after witnessing what the first one looked like and rented it when it came out because I don't feel $15 was worth my buck. You know how many times the aliens in Avatar had to be revised until they looked human enough for an audience to relate to? You're going in the wrong direction if you want to make a comparison here. If you want to make a comparison to a modern well-told CGI story about just robots, the only comparison there really is to be made is WALL-E, and they had to make the robots cute enough for an audience to connect to. do be knocking WALL-E that movie is adorable, and it had a great story focusing on the the robots view of human life. also you dont need cgi to make a robot look good on screen. HERE It may be considered adult, just saying, i dont know.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:53 pm
BogiePop Mylian DevilsLight Mylian DevilsLight Personally I am and was fascinated with the Bots and that Bay was capable of bringing the bots to live action. The sequences and everything was great. What sucked was his ability to write a good story. G1 had that piece where you can see each character and development. Bay's movie doesn't have much of that. In fact the first one didn't have any. The only identifying characteristics was when they introduced themselves at the very beginning and that was it. The rest was of them doing body guard duty. Hardly useful or purposeful. So I would disagree with saying his movie sucked just because it didn't fit G1. His movie sucked because he failed to write a captivating story focused on Transformers instead of focusing on Transformers saving Earth or Transformers protecting humans. The problem with a serious story about just robots is that nobody would watch it but the hard fans, and the hard fans aren't a big enough audience to pay back a big budget effects-driven blockbuster. A movie about only CGI robots has to be a kid's movie to get any money. The movie you want would flop in the box office. I would disagree. Avatar was completely CGI of enlarged smurfs and it had a "serious" story to it with character development. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were all fantasy but serious and people loved it. The problem isn't what the characters were, the problem is the plot sucked, the focus was lost and humans typically is fascinated with plot and development. It's a narrative. For example Terminator was great and then it flopped and then it was great again. It wasn't the CGI or explosions, that made it great again. It was the story. In fact the special effects and all that crap made the movie suck because there was no story, no narrative, no voice, no purpose. That's my take on it with Bay's movie. Personally if I wasn't a fan of TF I would have ditched the 2nd movie after witnessing what the first one looked like and rented it when it came out because I don't feel $15 was worth my buck. You know how many times the aliens in Avatar had to be revised until they looked human enough for an audience to relate to? You're going in the wrong direction if you want to make a comparison here. If you want to make a comparison to a modern well-told CGI story about just robots, the only comparison there really is to be made is WALL-E, and they had to make the robots cute enough for an audience to connect to. do be knocking WALL-E that movie is adorable, and it had a great story focusing on the the robots view of human life. also you dont need cgi to make a robot look good on screen. HERE It may be considered adult, just saying, i dont know. I'm not knocking WALL-E, it's one of my favorite movies ever. But it isn't Transformers, and that's the direction Transformers would have to go to make a profit without a human connection.
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