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 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:48 am
I was wondering if any of you have had to deal with this situation before. I am both into traditional martial arts and mixed martial arts. But I found with some TMAist's they have a type of ignorance towards MMA. Like I was once talking to a 5 Animals Kung Fu practioner. And he told me that his Sifu said things like the UFC/MMA is just a ploy to make white people look good in martial arts, so that they can actually win something. I couldn't believe what I heard. I then told him about people like Kazushi Sakuraba, Genki Sudo, and Hidehiko Yoshida.
I feel that sadly there is a tension in the world of martial arts between
TMA and MMA.
So have you ever delt with this kind of situation before? Also how do you feel about TMA and MMA?
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:01 am
nope.
I have great respect for TMA as wel as MMA.
I find MMA is a great testing ground for TMA techniques.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:04 am
Umyang nope. I have great respect for TMA as wel as MMA. I find MMA is a great testing ground for TMA techniques. That is very good. Not all TMAist's (I am a TMAist too) hate MMA. I know a guy who mixes Brazilian Jiu Jitsu with Taijiquan to win matches.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:31 am
I was myself pretty ignorant of MMA until I started as an uchi deshi and had my first free style and kickboxing classes and helped with a major MMA event organised by our dojo. (5 grappling fights and 14 MMA, of which 10 professional)
Being myself kendo and aikidoka, I wasn't very interested by this...
I guess that also kept me from being prehudiced towards it.
In our dojo, we have both TMA and MMA.
And frankly, MMA is a practical application of everything you learn in TMA.
Most TMA's are just usually specialised and have a set of rules to follow.
What they can teach you, things like principles of movements, can easily be applied and put to good use in MMA.
At the same time, I believe any art like kung fu or karate that uses a lot of forms to educate the student, would benefit from practical application.
There are way too many people out there practicing kata without having a clue of what they would be doing the movement for when asked to apply it to a partner.
Original karate also included groundwork and weapons etc.
During the militaristic period of Japan, it was adapted into the military drill, in a military way.
Mostly used to pretty much brainwash and hype up the troops.
What's left of a lot of karate today springs forth from that, while it's actually just a mangy leftover of karate.
But judo and aikido too! Many, many judo techniques won't work in MMA because you lack the clothes.
And many rules used in judo are highly impractical and strictly competition oriented. (like turning on your back when someone is on top of you!)
Especially Aikido.
Today's aikido is often a bunch of hippies and old people looking for something easy to practice just so they can boost their ego's by saying they practice martial arts.
Ueshiba's dojo was famed as Hell Dojo.
Not because aikido was easy on people.
Most aikidoka's could use a reality check like MMA.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:50 am
Here's an interesting thing about an MMA fighter you might not know.
Jason Delucia.... a 5 Animals Kung Fu fighter. He was challenged by Royce Gracie to a closed door match, meaning no crowd or anything. Delucia was beaten. Then at UFC 2 he lost to Royce Gracie again. Frustrated he went to Japan. He learned Aikido and then created his own style of Aikido, specialized for MMA fights. Combat Aikido.
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See, Jason knew he had to expand himself and not have a non changing attitude.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:34 am
PitFighter Here's an interesting thing about an MMA fighter you might not know. Jason Delucia.... a 5 Animals Kung Fu fighter. He was challenged by Royce Gracie to a closed door match, meaning no crowd or anything. Delucia was beaten. Then at UFC 2 he lost to Royce Gracie again. Frustrated he went to Japan. He learned Aikido and then created his own style of Aikido, specialized for MMA fights. Combat Aikido. ' See, Jason knew he had to expand himself and not have a non changing attitude. Like I said, the principles taught in such martial arts are very well appliccable in MMA.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:02 pm
The Gracies problem is that that didn't evolve with the sport. They were pioneers, but then, like Delucia, many martial artist adapted. The gracies didn't and they're not the threat they used to be.
I do miss the specticle of it. MMA has almost become an art unto itself. That's not a bad thing but I miss seeing tae kwon do guys versus sumos. Judo versus boxing.
That being said, I can't wait for Coulture versus Lindell this weekend. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:17 pm
Marty Nozz The Gracies problem is that that didn't evolve with the sport. They were pioneers, but then, like Delucia, many martial artist adapted. The gracies didn't and they're not the threat they used to be. I do miss the specticle of it. MMA has almost become an art unto itself. That's not a bad thing but I miss seeing tae kwon do guys versus sumos. Judo versus boxing. That being said, I can't wait for Coulture versus Lindell this weekend. mrgreen I agree! I'm ordering UFC 57 this weekend too.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:07 pm
*Giggles like a schoolgirl at the thought of the impending beatin's.* whee
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:56 am
PitFighter Marty Nozz The Gracies problem is that that didn't evolve with the sport. They were pioneers, but then, like Delucia, many martial artist adapted. The gracies didn't and they're not the threat they used to be. I do miss the specticle of it. MMA has almost become an art unto itself. That's not a bad thing but I miss seeing tae kwon do guys versus sumos. Judo versus boxing. That being said, I can't wait for Coulture versus Lindell this weekend. mrgreen I agree! I'm ordering UFC 57 this weekend too. Heh Tyson has lost it man..
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:29 am
DarklingGlory PitFighter Marty Nozz The Gracies problem is that that didn't evolve with the sport. They were pioneers, but then, like Delucia, many martial artist adapted. The gracies didn't and they're not the threat they used to be. I do miss the specticle of it. MMA has almost become an art unto itself. That's not a bad thing but I miss seeing tae kwon do guys versus sumos. Judo versus boxing. That being said, I can't wait for Coulture versus Lindell this weekend. mrgreen I agree! I'm ordering UFC 57 this weekend too. Heh Tyson has lost it man.. Leave Tyson alone... he's the best to me.. stare
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:36 am
PitFighter DarklingGlory PitFighter Marty Nozz The Gracies problem is that that didn't evolve with the sport. They were pioneers, but then, like Delucia, many martial artist adapted. The gracies didn't and they're not the threat they used to be. I do miss the specticle of it. MMA has almost become an art unto itself. That's not a bad thing but I miss seeing tae kwon do guys versus sumos. Judo versus boxing. That being said, I can't wait for Coulture versus Lindell this weekend. mrgreen I agree! I'm ordering UFC 57 this weekend too. Heh Tyson has lost it man.. Leave Tyson alone... he's the best to me.. stare Tyson in the day was unstoppable. I think he had horrible management, and that really led him down the wrong path. On a strictly technical level I think he was one of the greats. I do find his mindset and attitude lacking though.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:09 am
As usual, I'm with Marty. Tyson lacks the discipline of a master fighter, but he is a good fighter. I still think it was stupid of him to challenge Sapp, and I would LOVE to see Sapp give Tyson a whoopin'.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:00 am
Laren As usual, I'm with Marty. Tyson lacks the discipline of a master fighter, but he is a good fighter. I still think it was stupid of him to challenge Sapp, and I would LOVE to see Sapp give Tyson a whoopin'. No he doesn't. He had the discipline, but lost it. He is a great if not fantastic fighter. He was the youngest heavyweight champion for a reason you know/ Yes Tyson did challenge Sapp, and you know what Sapp did? Sapp backed down, cause he was too scared to fight Tyson in a Boxing match, cause well Tyson would have taken down Sapp hard.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:31 pm
If he had it, then lost it, he no longer has it. I understand that the sport of boxing requires discipline, and that as such, he must have had it at one point. However, I don't think he still has it, and I disagree with the idea that he should be praised as a role-model.
As for the Sapp fight, I'll have to read up on it, as I don't know much about it besides the fact that:
a.) Tyson challenged Sapp in a silly way, right after Sapp was done with another fight.
b.) Size-wise, Sapp is about one and a half of Tyson.
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