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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:11 am
I have bounced around on the topic of religion for years.
I have gone through phases, and I feel like ive gotten no further than a few steps back.
Im torn between christianity and atheism.
Like i get atheism, and sorta get christianity, and i dont know which path to take, im kinda stuck, sitting here, scratching my head.
I want your guys' inputs. What are things that prove/disprove both atheism and christianity. I'd love sources, so I can decide for myself what is reliable and what not, taking say, news articles, linking it up to bible verses is acceptable.
I also want you to call each other out on misfacts. But please be respectful. I don't want to not get further along in this personal struggle, because a huge theist/atheist battle breaks out. :/
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:36 pm
There is no proof in either. So it's best to stick to agnosticism.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:45 pm
If you have no proof or reason for Christianity, I'd say be Agnostic or Atheism.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:53 pm
Unless you're a superstitious person, the proof would probably be all of the signs around the world that pertain to God but only you can choose to believe in those signs or not. There is no factual proof but it's your choice whether or not you choose to believe in a higher power and have faith in that being. In my opinion, I would choose whichever religion or whatever belief that makes me feel most comfortable to believe in. Nobody can make you believe in Christianity so it's all up to you.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:53 pm
I'd say seek truth and you will find. Proof of Christianity is the prophecies that have come true. Remember the bible is a book of prophecy.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:08 pm
Why put a label on it?
:S
Why not be spiritual yourself... do what you think is right - which may be what a ton of other think is right too (be good to your neighbour, yatta yatta) If you do something you feel was wrong and you regret - say sorry as best you can, try to fix whatever problem, if you can't then move on and try not to do such things in the future...
*shrug* I don't see why spirituality has to be labeled and followed a certain specific way.. or giving money to churches or being forced to go to church every single sunday or whatever (obviously I'm generalizing)...
I think 'choosing' the correct 'path' is a personal choice... not one to be made by a group or congregation or just most specifically someone else other than yourself. To me, following 'exact' rules is debilitating and a crutch and stops learning...
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:11 pm
ammaea Why put a label on it? :S Why not be spiritual yourself... do what you think is right - which may be what a ton of other think is right too (be good to your neighbour, yatta yatta) If you do something you feel was wrong and you regret - say sorry as best you can, try to fix whatever problem, if you can't then move on and try not to do such things in the future... *shrug* I don't see why spirituality has to be labeled and followed a certain specific way.. or giving money to churches or being forced to go to church every single sunday or whatever (obviously I'm generalizing)... I think 'choosing' the correct 'path' is a personal choice... not one to be made by a group or congregation or just most specifically someone else other than yourself. To me, following 'exact' rules is debilitating and a crutch and stops learning... This was the best response yet 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:17 pm
King Jelubi ammaea Why put a label on it? :S Why not be spiritual yourself... do what you think is right - which may be what a ton of other think is right too (be good to your neighbour, yatta yatta) If you do something you feel was wrong and you regret - say sorry as best you can, try to fix whatever problem, if you can't then move on and try not to do such things in the future... *shrug* I don't see why spirituality has to be labeled and followed a certain specific way.. or giving money to churches or being forced to go to church every single sunday or whatever (obviously I'm generalizing)... I think 'choosing' the correct 'path' is a personal choice... not one to be made by a group or congregation or just most specifically someone else other than yourself. To me, following 'exact' rules is debilitating and a crutch and stops learning... This was the best response yet 3nodding If you like a dangerous response. Do what you feel is right? Then who are we to tell murders they are wrong when they feel they are in the right? Yes I'll go to an extreme. And this is a truther guild so we can safely agree that there is an elite that belive they are better then us. So they are right because they belive it? If anything the bible is a book to freedom. If you read it with a spiritual understanding you are able to realize the difference between the flesh and the spirit. It actually frees you from the flesh. If you don't belive it's a book of prophecy then why are you fighting against the RFID chip? Those that belive have a real excuse not to get it. It's against our faith and if we get it we are accepting destruction. If you're not a beliver why would you be against it? Privacy reasons? Now they can use something against you. If you have nothing to hide why do you not want the chip? (Then label you a "Terrorist" for not wanting your life exposed) At least beliver's in the bible will go down with faith. Are you going to not take the chip even if they threaten death?
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:24 pm
Azkeel King Jelubi ammaea Why put a label on it? :S Why not be spiritual yourself... do what you think is right - which may be what a ton of other think is right too (be good to your neighbour, yatta yatta) If you do something you feel was wrong and you regret - say sorry as best you can, try to fix whatever problem, if you can't then move on and try not to do such things in the future... *shrug* I don't see why spirituality has to be labeled and followed a certain specific way.. or giving money to churches or being forced to go to church every single sunday or whatever (obviously I'm generalizing)... I think 'choosing' the correct 'path' is a personal choice... not one to be made by a group or congregation or just most specifically someone else other than yourself. To me, following 'exact' rules is debilitating and a crutch and stops learning... This was the best response yet 3nodding If you like a dangerous response. Do what you feel is right? Then who are we to tell murders they are wrong when they feel they are in the right? Yes I'll go to an extreme. And this is a truther guild so we can safely agree that there is an elite that belive they are better then us. So they are right because they belive it? If anything the bible is a book to freedom. If you read it with a spiritual understanding you are able to realize the difference between the flesh and the spirit. It actually frees you from the flesh. If you don't belive it's a book of prophecy then why are you fighting against the RFID chip? Those that belive have a real excuse not to get it. It's against our faith and if we get it we are accepting destruction. If you're not a beliver why would you be against it? Privacy reasons? Now they can use something against you. If you have nothing to hide why do you not want the chip? (Then label you a "Terrorist" for not wanting your life exposed) At least beliver's in the bible will go down with faith. Are you going to not take the chip even if they threaten death? whoa whoa whoa slow down there lol, I never said that I don't believe in God or don't follow the belief in him. I'm completely in full faith in him and I try to sin the least possible to avoid any grand consequences. I never read the bible but I have read Revelation 13 so I did read the Mark Of The Beast prophecy and I do want to fight the microchip >_>
And about discussing the terms of " do what you feel is right ", in my opinion when it comes down to such detail I believe that the phrase shouldn't be taken so literally.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Azkeel King Jelubi ammaea Why put a label on it? :S Why not be spiritual yourself... do what you think is right - which may be what a ton of other think is right too (be good to your neighbour, yatta yatta) If you do something you feel was wrong and you regret - say sorry as best you can, try to fix whatever problem, if you can't then move on and try not to do such things in the future... *shrug* I don't see why spirituality has to be labeled and followed a certain specific way.. or giving money to churches or being forced to go to church every single sunday or whatever (obviously I'm generalizing)... I think 'choosing' the correct 'path' is a personal choice... not one to be made by a group or congregation or just most specifically someone else other than yourself. To me, following 'exact' rules is debilitating and a crutch and stops learning... This was the best response yet 3nodding If you like a dangerous response. Do what you feel is right? Then who are we to tell murders they are wrong when they feel they are in the right? Yes I'll go to an extreme. And this is a truther guild so we can safely agree that there is an elite that belive they are better then us. So they are right because they belive it? If anything the bible is a book to freedom. If you read it with a spiritual understanding you are able to realize the difference between the flesh and the spirit. It actually frees you from the flesh. If you don't belive it's a book of prophecy then why are you fighting against the RFID chip? Those that belive have a real excuse not to get it. It's against our faith and if we get it we are accepting destruction. If you're not a beliver why would you be against it? Privacy reasons? Now they can use something against you. If you have nothing to hide why do you not want the chip? (Then label you a "Terrorist" for not wanting your life exposed) At least beliver's in the bible will go down with faith. Are you going to not take the chip even if they threaten death? I don't know how this is a 'dangerous' response... I think it's more dangerous to force everyone into ONE religion and ONE way of life and to group others as TERRORISTS for believing something different. And the RFID chip is not limited only to not wanting it for religious reasons, and not wanting it because of wanting to 'hide' something... There are many reasons to not want it.. being labeled as a terrorist for any reason for refusing the chip is unacceptable. >< You don't have to read a book to realize the harm that a chip inside you could be used for, whether by the people installing it - or by real terrorists who hack it or use it against its purpose.,. In NO way would I say that a murderer is in the right, even if they believe it so. OBVIOUSLY there are limitations everyone must abide by no matter what beliefs they have. Harming others is something everyone should strive NOT to do. There are many things that people are labeled as terrorists for - and many of these are just ridiculous!! All this mainstream talk of terrorists, homeland security, and just bullshit in tv and movies that makes it all seem okay that it's happening...... all in the name of 'security' and whatever... so lame. I just go by my own experience... and there are MANY things in MANY religions that I agree with, but many I don't agree with ---- why should I be refused entry to a 'church' group because I don't believe the EXACT things they do. It's discrimination in my opinion.. I prefer to learn on my own and not to have to confess and repent to someone other than myself. I have faith in myself and faith in humanity as a whole - but not if they're all led by the same being and made to follow the same things. Where is the benefit of that??
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:56 pm
I'm wondering why you are sticking to just either or? When there is more than Atheism & Christianity.
But like someone else said, there is no proof in either. So Agnosticism could be a route...
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:32 pm
cover your bases:
find yourself a nice solid philosophy with some austerities, charity, and good will toward human beings, respect your position as a steward over the animals and the earth, and defend what you cherish as right and worthy. Experience life and show courage, and find something worth dying for - only then have you truly lived.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:48 pm
Call Me Apple I'm wondering why you are sticking to just either or? When there is more than Atheism & Christianity. I'm with Apple on this one. What other paths have you looked into that you've decided on two of the most polar extremes in all of spirituality? Personally, I'd go with neither. That's just me though. While atheists will tell you differently, both atheism and Christianity rely on faith. What you believe is exactly that: What you believe. You shouldn't have to force yourself to believe something. I started this same sort of quest about a decade or so ago and I'm still evolving.
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:16 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:34 pm
hey even the bible says theres a time to kill yet murder is different i wonder why
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