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 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:45 am
`Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Seeing as how we got spammed by some uh...person whose worried about the Rapture theory....let's discuss it.
To put it in a condensed version, the Rapture theory is basically this notion that many Evangelical Christians have had since the 1800's that the good God fearing Christians will be taken up in a light and go to Heaven, whereas the people who are "left behind" to be tried.
Now this is all fine and dandy however there is no biblical proof supporting this. That and it was taught before 1800's, so the credibility of this theory is pretty much shot already.
So discuss:
Is the rapture theory really truth?
Is it biblical?
Why do people think it's truth?
Edit: ty Mil >.> Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:44 am
I think, like a lot of things in the Bible, it is a grain of truth among a like of propaganda. Jesus will come again, it has been fortold since the Hebrews were in Egypt. But, a lot of what we think it will be like is wrong. I don't kno what will happen, I am not God, only that it will, eventually happen. Probably not in this lifetime, tho.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:12 am
There is very little, if any, scriptural basis.
The Book of Revelations itself may be of little value, seeing that it was added to the bible quite late, with many critics claiming it could not have been the work of John the Apostle like claimed before, as it's poorly written in Greek, a language John was fluent in.
I've survived three "doomsdays" in my life already.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:17 am
I don't buy into the rapture. I do believe there will be an end times though I doubt it will as anyone, myself included, will expect and it will not be anytime in our lifetimes. There is no biblical proof for the rapture outside of taking verses out of contexts.
I think a lot of people believe into it because they view their lives as meaningless and they go through what they think is pointless suffering, it would seem "just" to get a nice reward in the End. I don't think life is meaningless nor do I think suffering is pointless. I think there is much we could be doing to decrease suffering not only in our lives but in others as well and more meaningful ways to have meaning in one's life than squabbling over who will sit at the right or left hand.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:47 am
Nice condescended version, there xd
I don't believe in the rapture myself, I have a little book sitting...somewhere that explains away most of the belief using a scriptural basis. If I can find it, I'll post it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:08 pm
Ravynne Sidhe Seeing as how we got spammed by some uh...person whose worried about the Rapture theory....let's discuss it. To put it in a condensed version, the Rapture theory is basically this notion that many Evangelical Christians have had since the 1800's that the good God fearing Christians will be taken up in a light and go to Heaven, whereas the people who are "left behind" to be tried. Now this is all fine and dandy however there is no biblical proof supporting this. That and it was taught before 1800's, so the credibility of this theory is pretty much shot already. First a clean up of facts, it is not some small idea made up in the 1800's, with no substantiation in the bible. The idea itself was one of the core principles of Puritans, who history knows as one of the founding groups of the United States. They were founded somewhere in the late late 1500's (Early guess date ,1586). They just didn't refer to it as a "rapture" but more of as just "the end". The evangelical idea your speaking of is different because they had a set time (Sir Issac Newton is currently winning with this guess; "after 2060".) ( Though Harold Camping's guess of Oct 2011 is coming up). It's like the whole 2012 theory that some people are getting worked up about nowadays. Foolish thing to think that God is gonna give someone the set time the earth will end, he will come when the world is good and ready, and not a second off. There your history lesson for the day. For your Biblical lesson, please turn in you bible to Luke 21:5. To put it in a condensed version, Jesus goes over a very rapture-like scenario with his disciples, who in turn ask him in turn when such a thing will happen. He replies one of the more memorable lines in Luke, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." For how I really feel about this? I must ask you to check the beginning of Luke chapter 21. This is the parable of the old poor lady. She had nothing but 2 coppers to her name, yet she put them in to benefit the church. Jesus did not need to tell her of the rapture, for she had no need to hear it. Her all was given to Christ. Honestly, I can't such a lesson matter to true believers, one should only fear such a thing if are not like to old lady in the parable, giving their all to Christ.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:36 pm
joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe Seeing as how we got spammed by some uh...person whose worried about the Rapture theory....let's discuss it. To put it in a condensed version, the Rapture theory is basically this notion that many Evangelical Christians have had since the 1800's that the good God fearing Christians will be taken up in a light and go to Heaven, whereas the people who are "left behind" to be tried. Now this is all fine and dandy however there is no biblical proof supporting this. That and it was taught before 1800's, so the credibility of this theory is pretty much shot already. First a clean up of facts, it is not some small idea made up in the 1800's, with no substantiation in the bible. The idea itself was one of the core principles of Puritans, who history knows as one of the founding groups of the United States. They were founded somewhere in the late late 1500's (Early guess date ,1586). They just didn't refer to it as a "rapture" but more of as just "the end". The evangelical idea your speaking of is different because they had a set time (Sir Issac Newton is currently winning with this guess; "after 2060".) ( Though Harold Camping's guess of Oct 2011 is coming up). It's like the whole 2012 theory that some people are getting worked up about nowadays. Foolish thing to think that God is gonna give someone the set time the earth will end, he will come when the world is good and ready, and not a second off. There your history lesson for the day. For your Biblical lesson, please turn in you bible to Luke 21:5. To put it in a condensed version, Jesus goes over a very rapture-like scenario with his disciples, who in turn ask him in turn when such a thing will happen. He replies one of the more memorable lines in Luke, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." For how I really feel about this? I must ask you to check the beginning of Luke chapter 21. This is the parable of the old poor lady. She had nothing but 2 coppers to her name, yet she put them in to benefit the church. Jesus did not need to tell her of the rapture, for she had no need to hear it. Her all was given to Christ. Honestly, I can't such a lesson matter to true believers, one should only fear such a thing if are not like to old lady in the parable, giving their all to Christ. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - ...I 'm not talking about the end times. I'm solely speaking about the Rapture theory. Or the full length version, The Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory. Which WAS invented in the 1800's. Nice try though. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:55 pm
Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe Seeing as how we got spammed by some uh...person whose worried about the Rapture theory....let's discuss it. To put it in a condensed version, the Rapture theory is basically this notion that many Evangelical Christians have had since the 1800's that the good God fearing Christians will be taken up in a light and go to Heaven, whereas the people who are "left behind" to be tried. Now this is all fine and dandy however there is no biblical proof supporting this. That and it was taught before 1800's, so the credibility of this theory is pretty much shot already. First a clean up of facts, it is not some small idea made up in the 1800's, with no substantiation in the bible. The idea itself was one of the core principles of Puritans, who history knows as one of the founding groups of the United States. They were founded somewhere in the late late 1500's (Early guess date ,1586). They just didn't refer to it as a "rapture" but more of as just "the end". The evangelical idea your speaking of is different because they had a set time (Sir Issac Newton is currently winning with this guess; "after 2060".) ( Though Harold Camping's guess of Oct 2011 is coming up). It's like the whole 2012 theory that some people are getting worked up about nowadays. Foolish thing to think that God is gonna give someone the set time the earth will end, he will come when the world is good and ready, and not a second off. There your history lesson for the day. For your Biblical lesson, please turn in you bible to Luke 21:5. To put it in a condensed version, Jesus goes over a very rapture-like scenario with his disciples, who in turn ask him in turn when such a thing will happen. He replies one of the more memorable lines in Luke, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." For how I really feel about this? I must ask you to check the beginning of Luke chapter 21. This is the parable of the old poor lady. She had nothing but 2 coppers to her name, yet she put them in to benefit the church. Jesus did not need to tell her of the rapture, for she had no need to hear it. Her all was given to Christ. Honestly, I can't such a lesson matter to true believers, one should only fear such a thing if are not like to old lady in the parable, giving their all to Christ. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - ...I 'm not talking about the end times. I'm solely speaking about the Rapture theory. Or the full length version, The Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory. Which WAS invented in the 1800's. Nice try though. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Truth is, even though I go to evangelical-typish church, I don't have much care for all that end of the world. Like I also mentioned, a good Christian has much more to worry about, like loving and helping people, than the end of the world. It'll come when we are ready for it, just like everything else.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:56 pm
joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe joeking231 Ravynne Sidhe Seeing as how we got spammed by some uh...person whose worried about the Rapture theory....let's discuss it. To put it in a condensed version, the Rapture theory is basically this notion that many Evangelical Christians have had since the 1800's that the good God fearing Christians will be taken up in a light and go to Heaven, whereas the people who are "left behind" to be tried. Now this is all fine and dandy however there is no biblical proof supporting this. That and it was taught before 1800's, so the credibility of this theory is pretty much shot already. First a clean up of facts, it is not some small idea made up in the 1800's, with no substantiation in the bible. The idea itself was one of the core principles of Puritans, who history knows as one of the founding groups of the United States. They were founded somewhere in the late late 1500's (Early guess date ,1586). They just didn't refer to it as a "rapture" but more of as just "the end". The evangelical idea your speaking of is different because they had a set time (Sir Issac Newton is currently winning with this guess; "after 2060".) ( Though Harold Camping's guess of Oct 2011 is coming up). It's like the whole 2012 theory that some people are getting worked up about nowadays. Foolish thing to think that God is gonna give someone the set time the earth will end, he will come when the world is good and ready, and not a second off. There your history lesson for the day. For your Biblical lesson, please turn in you bible to Luke 21:5. To put it in a condensed version, Jesus goes over a very rapture-like scenario with his disciples, who in turn ask him in turn when such a thing will happen. He replies one of the more memorable lines in Luke, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." For how I really feel about this? I must ask you to check the beginning of Luke chapter 21. This is the parable of the old poor lady. She had nothing but 2 coppers to her name, yet she put them in to benefit the church. Jesus did not need to tell her of the rapture, for she had no need to hear it. Her all was given to Christ. Honestly, I can't such a lesson matter to true believers, one should only fear such a thing if are not like to old lady in the parable, giving their all to Christ. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - ...I 'm not talking about the end times. I'm solely speaking about the Rapture theory. Or the full length version, The Pre-tribulation Rapture Theory. Which WAS invented in the 1800's. Nice try though. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Truth is, even though I go to evangelical-typish church, I don't have much care for all that end of the world. Like I also mentioned, a good Christian has much more to worry about, like loving and helping people, than the end of the world. It'll come when we are ready for it, just like everything else. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:17 pm
Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:23 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:50 pm
Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Ah okay. You had me concerned there for a moment. I thought the stress from some these forums here were driving you off the deep end.
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Contralto in a Corset Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:52 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Ah okay. You had me concerned there for a moment. I thought the stress from some these forums here were driving you off the deep end. pirate Nah, just me hugging myself here in the padded room rofl
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:52 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Ah okay. You had me concerned there for a moment. I thought the stress from some these forums here were driving you off the deep end. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - haha no. Not yet. The stress in rl would've done that already. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:57 pm
Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Well the only person who knows what a good Christian is would be God. Loving others could be being a bad Christian -shrugs- Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Okay what are you going on about? You aren't making sense now. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm playing devil's advocate although a bad one. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' For the sake of argument then- So your of course saying that Jesus is of course a terrible Christian, even though he is the Son. The hand of God screwed up when he wrote the line Thou shall love thy neighbor, which of course would be impossible, cause it's God. Your mind is wrong when it tell you what is good and what is bad. God is telling us every minute of everyday what is good and what wrong, we just have to listen. That good?
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