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 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:49 pm
alright to begin my perception of this bill (so those who think im insane or
over paranoid can make a fair desision i shall use parts of the bill its self) so i
begin with definitions so that you may know how they mean what they say in
there own words.
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
ADMINISTRATION- The term ‘Administration’ means the Food Safety
Administration established under section 101
Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg. is currently the chosen peoson by obama for this as
the head of the FDA, so this person and the people she commands are
supposed to be incharge of the ENTIRE nations food.....really? i cannot stess
this enough as after i read it i went and counted how many times i saw this
term,
the term "Administrator" was used a whopping 246 times i REPEAT two
hundred and fourty six seperate times!
and by administrator they mean the one known as Margaret A. Hamburg, M.D.
who has the following powers in terms of getting her own people
(b) Experts and Consultants- The Administrator may--CommentsClose
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(1) procure the services of temporary or intermittent experts and consultants
as authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code;
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(2) pay in connection with those services the travel expenses of the experts
and consultants, including transportation and per diem in lieu of subsistence
while away from the homes or regular places of business of the individuals, as
authorized by section 5703 of that title.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(c) Bureaus, Offices, and Divisions- The Administrator may establish within
the Administration such bureaus, offices, and divisions as the Administrator
determines are necessary to perform the duties of the
Administrator.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(d) Advisory Committees-CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(1) IN GENERAL- The Administrator shall establish advisory committees that
consist of representatives of scientific expert bodies, academics, industry
specialists, and consumers.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(2) DUTIES- The duties of an advisory committee established under
paragraph (1) may include developing recommendations with respect to the
development of new processes, research, communications, performance
standards, and inspection.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(10) CONTAMINANT- The term ‘contaminant’ includes a bacterium, chemical,
natural toxin or manufactured toxicant, virus, parasite, prion, physical hazard,
or other human pathogen that when found on or in food can cause human
illness, injury, or death.
(5) CATEGORY 1 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term ‘category 1 food
establishment’ means a food establishment (other than a seafood processing
establishment) that slaughters, for the purpose of producing food, animals
that are not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or
poultry that are not subject to inspection under the Poultry Products
Inspection Act (now theres other food establishment listed however i wont
post all the types in the intersts of the readers time for an expanded reading
you can get the bill yourself)
(14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term ‘food production facility’
means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined
animal-feeding operation.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
now keep in mind that the law revolves around these 4 most everthing from
the farm to your plate in short.
now to go into the excess that bothers me enough to create this report for
your reading.
SEC. 301. PUBLIC HEALTH ASSESSMENT SYSTEM.
(2) have full access for purposes of implementing the food safety law to the
applicable data and data systems of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, including data made available to the Centers by a
State;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(3) provide appropriate support and input on the design and implementation by
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the States of an active
surveillance system that provides information on the incidence and causes of
food-borne illness which is timely, detailed, and representative of the
population of the United States;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(5) maintain a state-of-the-art DNA matching system and epidemiological
system dedicated to food-borne illness identification, outbreaks, and
containment; andCommentsClose CommentsPermalink
now i must ask why soo much spying, this is unconstitutional, which Ill have you
know is The Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law
of the United States. Most specicily it violates this
* Fourth Amendment –The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and
seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable
cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
and more fourth amendment violations can be found in
SEC. 201. ADMINISTRATION OF NATIONAL PROGRAM
(2) adopt and implement a national system for regular unannounced inspection
of food establishments;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(3) require and enforce the adoption of preventive process controls in food
establishments, based on the best available scientific and public health
considerations and best available technologies
you cant prepunish people its not the american way, thats not freedom. If wed
punish the companys who repeatly have the same ill pratices we would not be
in this mess.
now you think with all all this effort and mentioning of threats itd fight on the
news thed have already have included the threats..guess not guys. look
in section 203. part B.
(1) LIST OF CONTAMINANTS- Not later than 6 months after the date of
the enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall publish in the Federal
Register a list of the contaminants in foods that have the greatest adverse
impact on public health in terms of the number and severity of illnesses and
number of deaths associated with foods regulated under this Act. Where
appropriate, the Administrator shall indicate whether the risk posed by a
contaminant is generalized or specific to particular foods or ingredients.
now i have issues with this as the FDA has a list of every additive known to
man here. so why they could not have taken the time to list the contaminates
since the media keeps drilling in the fact that its over the salmonella
outbreaks yet its nowhere in the bill is quite simply beyond me
my my my MY im on a roll tonite looking for the man in charge of all this i
instead find a list of all food additives from the FDA
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/fcn/fcnNavigation.cfm?
rpt=eafusListing&displayAll=true
and you can look at this yourselfs people
SEC. 204. PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR CONTAMINANTS IN FOOD.
(D) in the absence of data to support a performance standard described in
subparagraph (A), (B), or (C), standards that define required performance on
the basis of reliable information on the best reasonably achievable
performance, using best available technologies, interventions, and practices
so what use a methiod that only makes sense to you on how it should be delt
with if you cant prove its a threat? and if anyone can make a better take on
what this means then Enlighten me.
now behold tracking and registering of food in other words like food stamps
or somthing you now need premission to create somthing in america, really!?
that isnt freedom creation is our engine of wealth and prosperity for
humanity.
SEC. 202. REGISTRATION OF FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS AND FOREIGN
FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
(A) IN GENERAL- The Administrator may suspend the registration of a
domestic food establishment or foreign food establishment, including the
facility of an importer, for violation of a food safety law that is either
repeated or could result in serious adverse health consequences or death to
humans or animals.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(4) LIST- The Administrator shall annually compile a list of domestic food
establishments and a list of foreign food establishments that are registered
under this section. The Administrator may establish the manner of and any
fees required for reregistration and any circumstances by which either such
list may be shared with other governmental authorities. The Administrator
may remove from either list the name of any establishment that fails to
reregister, and such delisting shall be treated as a suspension.
so in other words if the Administrator says that your place is bad its gotta go
down? and can make up any fees to fuel our government as they please?
(3) PROCEDURE- Upon receipt of a completed registration described in
paragraph (1), the Administrator shall notify the registrant of the receipt of
the registration, designate each establishment as a category 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5
food establishment, and assign a registration number to each domestic food
establishment and foreign food establishment.CommentsClose
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(4) LIST- The Administrator shall annually compile a list of domestic food
establishments and a list of foreign food establishments that are registered
under this section. The Administrator may establish the manner of and any
fees required for reregistration and any circumstances by which either such
list may be shared with other governmental authorities. The Administrator
may remove from either list the name of any establishment that fails to
reregister, and such delisting shall be treated as a suspension
my review and listing of the highlights of
SEC. 203. PREVENTIVE PROCESS CONTROLS TO REDUCE
ADULTERATION OF FOOD.
(A) reflect the standards and procedures recognized by relevant
authoritative bodies *really what happened to freedom? arent we smart
enough to know whats not cotaminated or rotting? or how to grow safe food*
(4) to implement recordkeeping to monitor compliance with regulatory
requirements;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(5) to implement recordkeeping and labeling of all food and food ingredients
to facilitate their identification and traceability in the event of a recall or
market removal
now thats a lot of paperwork for every farmer in america, arent we
overworked as it is, and i know farmer types generally arent good with legal
mumbo jumbo.
now see my compliants with this are numerious and from the source if youd
like to read the whole thing and debate me you may. but i also factor in the
modern governments track record, and well i dont like them they havent
earned my trust.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:35 pm
you should put the excerpts in quote format or something... it's so hard to follow because it's difficult realize what you've written or what they have until it's too late and I need to read backwards~
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:48 pm
curses gaia...XD its formatted in my thing but not here but other then that is it good ? fair and not too over the top omgooshiness were all gonna die
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:15 am
I don't really see a problem with Sec. 301. It doesn't violate the Fourth Amendment. Their "surveillance" is the keeping track of outbreaks of food born illness and they're maintaining a DNA database to compare specific strains of a contaminant. This doesn't impact the individual American at all. If anything it's a much needed advancement in protecting the food supply.
As to Sec. 201, those are all good things. Unannounced inspections make sure that an establishment isn't making everything look tidy just because there's an inspection scheduled. Dropping in on them during regular operation determines whether they always have a tidy operation. Adopting preventive processes based on current data to prevent food born illnesses is a great idea. If you can prevent it from happening in the first place then you don't have to worry about dealing with the fallout. How are they pre-punishing someone?
A list of contaminants that is prioritized according to severity of harm sounds like a great idea to me. Section 204, Paragraph D means that where there is no data to support a particular performance standard then they will fall back on the reliable information for the best performance based on best technologies, methods, etc. It's saying essentially that if they don't have a definite answer then they'll fall back on the best data there is. This is kind of hard to read out of context of Paragraphs A, B, and C though.
For "SEC. 202. REGISTRATION OF FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS AND FOREIGN FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS," it means that if a particular organization doesn't have adequate safety standards then they can be taken off the list of registered safe establishments. The Administrator is who determines how a business gets re-registered, whether that means paperwork, a follow-up, fees, etc. It gives the Administrator the power to set these standards. This talks about compiling a list of safe organizations and rating them on their practices. This sounds like a good idea to me.
"SEC. 203. PREVENTIVE PROCESS CONTROLS TO REDUCE
ADULTERATION OF FOOD," seems alright to me. This talks about establishing a paper trail so that things can be traced and people can be held accountable. It's accountability for screwing up.
I've seen nothing in these snippets of the bill to cause me alarm. If anything they'll make the food supply safer. I think you're letting distrust of a larger government color how you perceive this bill. You're prejudging this Administrator person even though you don't know anything about them, assuming that they'll be corrupt and shut down farmers and cater to corporations, etc, etc.
This said, I have no interest in reading the entire bill because I've not seen anything that disconcerts me enough to make me want to read it. It seems like a good piece of legislation to me. I'll continue to take the stance that this bill has been demonized for no good reason.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:05 pm
and yet your a truther..... stare
bla i knew i should have refound where it said it was alright where food can be radiated.
no i reject they still never mentioned specific threats, and wrong agian thats unannoced thats not right thats like saying cops should be allowed to raid your home just because you MIGHT abuseing your wife. they are dening a persons to rigght to peace on there property, clearly someone here doesnt get the constution. CLEARLY someone doesnt see how what ive typed HAS NOTHING to do on how There telling you how it is on the tv< why is that. if it was sooo great that alll of us have to report on the government EVEN LITTLE PEOPLE NOT RESPONCEABLE FOR MASSIVE OUT BREAKS are subject to fees fees that mean nothing to small scale corperations that will EASILY give people a few million dollars to make there troubles go away.
clearly your just an idealist who rejects the realitys of mansanitos mcdonalds and the fact we are over feed and mal nourished. real farmers dont get laws there farms are FULL time responcilitys thats why i dont want to raise animals ever agian and god knows the money we make was meager at best WE CANT afdford more fees were ALREADY taxed to death.
IVE SPENT WEEKS ON THIS.! the only thing i dident do was reseach the rwriters of the bills backstorys and obama's zaras. this bill wont effect the people it needs to. it will hurt small buisness but clearly youve never exipericed the real world. ive been stabbed zaped burned frozen worked to the bone. they set this bill up as a means to allow INFINATE expansion of there powers you sir neglected to read my report fully WHERE are the checks and balences for these people who will hold washington accountable?? how can you not see whats in front of you? why dont you read the bill yourself???
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:08 pm
P.S. your words wont change my mind promises mean nothing to policticions and if nothing changes only time will tell whos right and i hope its not me , but thats why i made this report. i will fight it, karma shall be transended . im not a sheep or a cockroach
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:34 pm
I don't really see a problem here besides the FDA.
Sure, there will be one person over the entire control of the food business. That isn't exactly a bad thing. Although she has control, she still must console under the limited powers she has been given. So yeah, she might be the big cheese and all but she can't do everything.
As for the FDA, FDA has done many weird things.
( I gave an example with the FDA limited standards on bottled water.)
However, as what they do, the FDA has limited legal standards they must follow. The FDA is known for cutting by by hairs just by following the rules they are suppose to enforce and nothing more which causes many problems. Listing contaniments? Not in their minds if the reason has been publically given.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:07 am
look if the media is soo specific on what thet say the way there dealing with the threats then howcome the bill is so vauge??
even the constution says that you cant do certian things. the constution was made to repel this kind of tyranny. more regulations helps nobody. the big companys should have been hit harder. but no they only get sued which for them is like if we killed 20 people and had to pay a quarter to get out of jail.
and yes its a bad thing its WAY too much power for one person for millons of people. one person cant deside the needs of a million, and even if i knew i dont want that kind of control. this hampers the small people to create.
and no they claim its in the bill yet the section as plain as day says theve yet to make a list of contaminates yet when they ALREADY have a list.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:27 am
Hoshioni look if the media is soo specific on what thet say the way there dealing with the threats then howcome the bill is so vauge?? even the constution says that you cant do certian things. the constution was made to repel this kind of tyranny. more regulations helps nobody. the big companys should have been hit harder. but no they only get sued which for them is like if we killed 20 people and had to pay a quarter to get out of jail. and yes its a bad thing its WAY too much power for one person for millons of people. one person cant deside the needs of a million, and even if i knew i dont want that kind of control. this hampers the small people to create. and no they claim its in the bill yet the section as plain as day says theve yet to make a list of contaminates yet when they ALREADY have a list.
Media must take into consideration that people of all ages are watching, so they must be careful. That's why the FCC is so strict.
However, the bill they have may be vague, but it takes into consideration on what it needs to. It's like an amendment, it's an add-on to the laws that are already in place.
As I have already explained, that one person doesn't have full power. It works in a broken down power just like our government. The Magna Carta-like part of our US Constitution does not allow an entire person complete power over something since it would be just like a king which we moved away from. This person, as I've already said, is the head-honcho but can only do limited things under federal laws.
The whole reason this is small, though, is because even though the storage of the food was poor, it's not enough to start a total veneration of the FDA. The deed wasn't big enough and we still need people who know what they are doing in a way to handle the food. Better regulations=better care of the food and where it is meaning less contamination. This has happened before when they dealt with filling the bottles of water from a waste well, hazardous, for the water source.
So as long as someone is watching the small parts of the big company, everything is alright. It's not like the FDA and the food business are one big organization. They are a collection of groups into one.
As for the list of contamination, either they are late on doing so, the one you have is the early version of the bill, OR the FDA is, as always, not going to do as they say and slide along as they please. Which is alright with me as long as they follow the safety guidelines on how the food is taken care of. If they keep doing what they do and don't change anything for convenience, it's all good. However, it annoys me when they make promises and break them.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:36 am
hey hey freedom of the press, they report murder, RAPE, educate people of sex at school and yet you want me to belive that our food is some how a taboo topic?? america the most food obessed culture in the world
seriously the government tracks record is AWEFUL they could not run cash for cluckers, our TAX money. and even there own debts and yet you wanna believe they wont lie to us agian to get what theyt want really???? this is a power grab. your bias of normalcy doesnt allow you to want to believe that such a thing can happen, youd rather just believe it cannot get worse
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:41 am
and lastly this world can never be fully controled. excessive regulations are just the reflections of people too weak too lazy to fend for themselfs. we dont even make that much of our own food anymore. nobody cooks its all processed mixes gmos chemicals pasturised nutritionally HALLOW souless food. diease cannot naturally exist in dead food certianly not in big killer dieases.
you all need a history check you all need to meet the older generations. the world used to be better
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:25 am
The media has many rules and regulations when dealing with a federal agency, you can't just rush in worth a story unless you have the full blown facts. Didn't you even admit the FDA hasn't released information they don't have? The media isn't allowed to do a story if they don't have all the dirt.
As for me wanting to believe in a "comforting" thought, no. Quit downplaying everyone on the other fence as a sheep wishing not to be slaughtered.
The reason I'm not buying into this is because I HAVE no reason to believe crazy stuff will happy. All I here are "If"'s and "but"s but I don't see anything that is fact that definitely will lead to chaos.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:21 am
this food bill is a massive explotation of fear.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:30 am
Hoshioni and yet your a truther..... stare bla i knew i should have refound where it said it was alright where food can be radiated. no i reject they still never mentioned specific threats, and wrong agian thats unannoced thats not right thats like saying cops should be allowed to raid your home just because you MIGHT abuseing your wife. they are dening a persons to rigght to peace on there property, clearly someone here doesnt get the constution. CLEARLY someone doesnt see how what ive typed HAS NOTHING to do on how There telling you how it is on the tv< why is that. if it was sooo great that alll of us have to report on the government EVEN LITTLE PEOPLE NOT RESPONCEABLE FOR MASSIVE OUT BREAKS are subject to fees fees that mean nothing to small scale corperations that will EASILY give people a few million dollars to make there troubles go away. clearly your just an idealist who rejects the realitys of mansanitos mcdonalds and the fact we are over feed and mal nourished. real farmers dont get laws there farms are FULL time responcilitys thats why i dont want to raise animals ever agian and god knows the money we make was meager at best WE CANT afdford more fees were ALREADY taxed to death. IVE SPENT WEEKS ON THIS.! the only thing i dident do was reseach the rwriters of the bills backstorys and obama's zaras. this bill wont effect the people it needs to. it will hurt small buisness but clearly youve never exipericed the real world. ive been stabbed zaped burned frozen worked to the bone. they set this bill up as a means to allow INFINATE expansion of there powers you sir neglected to read my report fully WHERE are the checks and balences for these people who will hold washington accountable?? how can you not see whats in front of you? why dont you read the bill yourself??? If you are a producer of food that is consumed by people, you should have to follow guidelines that ensure that food is safe. That means inspections. If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. I understand the Constitution. I understand that it was written hundreds of years ago by revolutionaries and slave owners. It has had to be amended several times over the centuries to match new challenges to civilization and sovereignty. You're the one trying to apply the Fourth Amendment to something that it doesn't apply to. Everything that I've commented on is based on what you, yourself, have quoted from the bill. This has nothing to do with media spin. If the little person produces unsafe food that causes an outbreak, they should have to pay for it; same with the multinational corporation. If you can't produce safe food then don't produce food at all. That's pretty common sense stuff right there. I am an idealist. I recognize it as a flaw in this world. Don't you dare lecture me about "real farmers" though. I grew up on a farm, I live on a farm, I've worked on a farm, and my family have been farmers for generations. Don't piss and moan at me about the responsibilities, difficulties, and hardships of the farmer. All you have to do to see my experience with government and farming is look at tobacco legislation. What was once a cash crop that supported this entire region is now a stigma being stomped out of existence at the expense of the real farmer that has nothing but vegetables and a few livestock to fall back on, forcing them to seek employment in industry or construction after decades of tending the land. Don't you dare try to lecture me about the plight of the farmer.I've experienced business in the real world. It's tough, especially now. Again, don't lecture me. This bill hasn't even been put into effect yet and you're ranting and railing about how horrible it is. I read your report fully, hence my comprehensive reply. The checks and balances are in the bill (or at least the sections you quoted from). The bill allows for much-needed regulations to be developed and enforced, according to the rules set forth in the bill itself. You also have the larger legislative field to take into account, as this bill falls under those checks and balances as well. Large corporations are always going to buy their way out of things. This bill doesn't affect that at all. All it does it make the food supply safer by allowing for tracking of contaminants and imposing more comprehensive safety controls. I don't care enough to read the bill myself because I have other things to do besides pick over legislation that is going to pass whether I have a stick in my a** over it or not. If you want me to read the bill, find me something that truly is horrible and an abomination to pique my interest. So far I've seen nothing but good things. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm only giving you my opinions from my perspective because that's what you asked for. Government and corruption go hand in hand. That's a given, man. What do we do about it? I don't see any better ideas being bounced around. Bitching about unjust laws and corporate bribes doesn't take us anywhere except down Marginalization Boulevard.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:54 am
only by restoring what freedoms and powers we humans have lost may we be able to go to the next level.
I say tracking it does nothing. it stops nothing, people need to be accountable our food supply on the corperate scale is already tracked. so theres no point in expanding to us little people, we are not corperations they chose there standards, we should not be forced to be intergrated into a buroecy<- 3am mispell dont even care ) in the name of a food fear cause by the hands of a few (as large as there powers may be) over a fear of what might happen. it was the same concept for the wars on drugs and terror, gun bans sercert arrests wiretapping, tracking and lists in the guise of fighting terror, well ill have you know the american people are loseing this war big time, it hasnt made us stronger were all now more paranoid more afraid. I draw the line at food, as our methiods of food and acceptable practices are based on a so called consenes of the masses, theve already killed the bulk of the food, weaken our immune systems through minimal nutritional standards. diease may be part of nature we also in all beings can fight it.
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