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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:54 pm
I thought it would be a nice idea to have a safety thread about drug usage as well as info on everything related to it.
Especially after the incident with Kat, I think that everyone in the family should be aware of how dangerous drugs can be if you do not know what you're taking, how much you're taking or other factors.
the guide will consist of several parts with information you need to know if you are considering taking MDMA or Ecstasy, among other things.
Because seriously people. MDMA is not a joke drug, if you aren't careful you could seriously be injured, or die from it. And yes there are tons of rumors and myths about what things happen to you after you roll, and this will be covered in the 'Myths section.
And I am in no way encouraging you to do drugs, I just want you to be safe. Because this family has grown on me, heh.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:55 pm
.:. A brief history of MDMA .:. Because we all want to know where this wonderful substance comes from
MDMA was first synthesized in 1912 by Merck chemist Anton Köllisch. At the time, Merck was interested in developing substances that stopped abnormal bleeding. Merck wanted to evade an existing patent, held by Bayer, for one such compound: hydrastinine. At the behest of his superiors Walther Beckh and Otto Wolfes, Köllisch developed a preparation of a hydrastinine analogue, methylhydrastinine. MDMA was an intermediate compound in the synthesis of methylhydrastinine, and Merck was not interested in its properties at the time. On 24 December 1912 Merck filed two patent applications that described the synthesis of MDMA and its subsequent conversion to methylhydrastinine.
Over the following 65 years, MDMA was largely forgotten. Merck records indicate that its researchers returned to the compound sporadically. In 1927, Max Oberlin studied the pharmacology of MDMA and observed that its effects on blood sugar and smooth muscles were similar to ephedrine's. Researchers at Merck conducted experiments with MDMA in 1952 and 1959. In 1953 and 1954, the United States Army commissioned a study of toxicity and behavioral effects in animals of injected mescaline and several analogues, including MDMA. These originally classified investigations were declassified and published in 1973. The first scientific paper on MDMA appeared in 1958 in Yakugaku Zasshi, the Journal of the Pharmaceutical Society of Japan. In this paper, Yutaka Kasuya described the synthesis of MDMA, a part of his research on antispasmodics.
MDMA was being used recreationally in the United States by 1970. In the mid-1970s, Alexander Shulgin, then at University of California, Berkeley, heard from his students about unusual effects of MDMA; among others, the drug had helped one of them to overcome his stutter. Intrigued, Shulgin synthesized MDMA and tried it himself in 1976. Two years later, he and David Nichols published the first report on the drug's psychotropic effect in humans. They described "altered state of consciousness with emotional and sensual overtones" that can be compared "to marijuana, and to psilocybin devoid of the hallucinatory component".
Shulgin took to occasionally using MDMA for relaxation, referring to it as "my low-calorie martini", and giving the drug to his friends, researchers, and other people whom he thought could benefit from it. One such person was psychotherapist Leo Zeff, who had been known to use psychedelics in his practice. Zeff was so impressed with the effects of MDMA that he came out of his semi-retirement to proselytize for it. Over the following years, Zeff traveled around the U.S. and occasionally to Europe, training other psychotherapists in the use of MDMA. Among underground psychotherapists, MDMA developed a reputation for enhancing communication during clinical sessions, reducing patients' psychological defenses, and increasing capacity for therapeutic introspection.
In the early 1980s in the U.S., MDMA rose to prominence as "Adam" in trendy nightclubs and gay dance clubs in the Dallas area. From there, use spread to raves in major cities around the country, and then to mainstream society. The drug was first proposed for scheduling by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in July 1984 and was classified as a Schedule I controlled substance in the U.S. on 31 May 1985.
In the late 1980s MDMA, known by that time as "ecstasy", began to be widely used in the UK and other parts of Europe, becoming an integral element of rave culture and other psychedelic-influenced music scenes. Spreading along with rave culture, illicit MDMA use became increasingly widespread among young adults in universities and later in high schools. MDMA became one of the four most widely used illicit drugs in the U.S., along with cocaine, heroin, and cannabis. According to some estimates as of 2004, only marijuana attracts more first time users in the U.S.
After MDMA was criminalized, most medical use stopped, although some therapists continued to prescribe the drug illegally. Later Charles Grob initiated an ascending-dose safety study in healthy volunteers. Subsequent legally-approved MDMA studies in humans have taken place in the U.S. in Detroit (Wayne State University), Chicago (University of Chicago), San Francisco (UCSF and California Pacific Medical Center), Baltimore (NIDA–NIH Intramural Program), and South Carolina, as well as in Switzerland (University Hospital of Psychiatry, Zürich), the Netherlands (Maastricht University), and Spain (Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona).
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:56 pm
.:. What it does and How it works .:.
How MDMA makes you a love machine
The chemical name of MDMA is "methylenedioxymethamphetamine." It is also known as MDM, Adam and XTC, and in one state, "M&M."
Although the name, "Methylenedioxymethamphetamine," ends with a word familiar to many who have no chemical background, "methamphetamine," this fact in no way implies any similarity in action to the drug which is known as methamphetamine or the drug known as amphetamine.
Quick terms for the paragraph ahead: Neurotransmitter - a chemical signal used to send messages in your brain Receptor site – the site where a neurotransmitter is accepted into to perform its function Serotonin - a neurotransmitter used for the feeling of happiness, regulation of mood, sleep and hunger/satiety Dopamine - a neurotransmitter used by your brain for reward, punishment and motivation Nor-epinephrine – a neurotransmitter responsible for attention and the flight-or-fight response, its analogous to adrenaline Oxytocin - a neurotransmitter that drastically reduces feelings of fear while greatly raising feelings of trust and bonding Euphoria – an incredibly intense feeling of blissful happiness and inner peace Axon - the long thin filament part of a neuron that branches off from the main body and carries the electrical signal Metabolite - the intermediate and final products of metabolism
MDMA causes your brain to release its supply of serotonin in large quantities, as well as quantities of dopamine and nor-epinephrine to lesser extents. This action on serotonin also allows for quantities of oxytocin to be released. Once at work MDMA will inhibit the serotonin/dopamine/nor-epinephrine receptor sites which increases the concentration of these neurotransmitters.his large amount of serotonin will be received by these receptor sites; this causes the effects of MDMA. This process continues until the MDMA wears off and/or your brains supply of serotonin is depleted. It is unlikely that serotonin will run out from a single use of MDMA, but repeated used of MDMA over more than one day will cause this. It is currently unknown what causes neurotoxicity from MDMA use, but multiple sources have been ruled out. It is known that oxidized dopamine, MDMA itself, and MDMA metabolites are not responsible for damage. MDMA neurotoxicity is also extremely correlated to prolonged and excessive overheating. It is almost a requirement for this overheating to be present to form damage, but excessive and prolonged dosing can cause problems as well. While MDMA can be neurotoxic under certain circumstances, but it only destroys the axon of the nerve cell and not the nerve cell itself. Since the nerve cells are still alive, they can regrow any destroyed axons. Your serotonin levels will rebuild over time without any outside help, it takes roughly a month to do this. Most people suggest between 3 to 4 weeks between doses. After that time your serotonin levels should be completely recovered and you should be ready to dose again.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:57 pm
.:. Health concerns and Risks .:.
Important if you have health issues
Physical Health Problems Heart Disease: There have been several deaths from people who had serious preexisting heart disease (coronary artery blockage) and took MDMA.
Severe Asthma/lung disease: One death has been reported in an asthmatic who was using MDMA. It's not clear what affect the victim's drug use played. Again, if you aren't sure if you can survive a few hours of mild to moderate exercise (such as walking, biking), don't use. (Several asthmatics report that MDMA actually helps their asthma, which isn't entirely unreasonable since, like epinephrine 'rescue' inhalers, MDMA causes vasoconstriction.)
Suppressed Immune System: MDMA, like many drugs, places a strain on your body, including the immune system. For healthy people, about all that means is a slightly increased risk of catching a cold or such the day of/after use. For people who's immune systems are not normal (due to AIDs, anti-rejection drugs used for organ transplant patients, etc.) the additional strain on the immune system could be dangerous. No deaths or serious illnesses have been reported that I know of, but such cases could easily be overlooked by doctors (since infections in immunocompromised patients are expected and might not be traced to drug use.)
Diabetes: On the one hand, insulin-dependant (Type 1) diabetics have reported successful and uneventful use of MDMA. On the other hand, there have been several reported cases of serious ketoacidosis in young Type 1 diabetics that had spent hours dancing and had not taken any insulin for 12-24 hours.[1] If you are insulin-dependant and plan to use MDMA, do so at home (or in an otherwise controlled environment) and keep an eye on blood sugar levels.
Pregnancy: The effects of MDMA on a developing fetus are not well known, although there is some evidence that it could increase the risk of birth defects (as does alcohol and amphetamines.) Using MDMA while pregnant may increase the risk of harm to the fetus and lower birth weight. MDMA is also excreted in breast milk; women who are nursing should avoid drug use.
Allergies: There has been a rumor that having an allergy to penicillin (or related antibiotics) means you could have an allergic reaction to MDMA. This concern is baseless; the two drugs are far too different for an allergy to one to translate into an allergy to the other. There are also no known cases of anybody ever having had an allergic reaction to MDMA. (It's probably too small of a molecule for the immune system to react to and cause an allergy.)
Mental Health Problems Depression: While a depressed person is unlikely to be at any greater medical risk than a non-depressed person, they are almost certainly at higher risk of becoming compulsive in their use (since MDMA is a powerful antidepressant, providing temporary relief from their symptoms.) Unfortunately, the temporary impairment of the serotonin system following MDMA use can make depression worse, causing a destructive cycle of taking MDMA to feel better and ending up feeling even worse when the high fades.
On the other hand, MDMA has also been known to snap people out of depressed states and allow resolution of emotional problems. If you are depressed and want to try MDMA, beware of the temptation of frequent use. If you start having serious drug cravings, talk to a doctor about how you feel. Antidepressants (like Prozac, Paxil, and even 5-HTP) can provide some of the emotional relief of MDMA with far less side effects and disruption of your life. MDMA is a wonderful place to visit, but you're in for trouble if you try to live there. Common antidepressants such as Paxil, Zoloft, and Wellbutrin interfere with how MDMA works, reducing it's potency.
Psychotics: If hearing voices in your head telling you that aliens are plotting against you is a normal occurrence for you, I don't recommend any sort of stimulant drug. I'm aware of a single case of a person with no known previous history of mental illness becoming temporarily psychotic within 12-24 hours of using MDMA (he believed he was part of an elaborate role-playing game that required him to smash people's car stereos.) The patient had also been drinking heavily. The doctors who treated this patient suggested that the reduction in serotonin levels following MDMA use caused a reduced inhibition of the dopamine system, with the MDMA-elevated levels of dopamine activity triggering an underlying vulnerability to psychosis.[2] A strange and unclear case, although the theory offered seems reasonable.
Schizophrenia: Schizophrenics probably should not take MDMA. I'm not aware of MDMA use being associated with the development of schizophrenia in people with a family history of schizophrenia. That doesn't mean it can't happen...just that I've never heard of it. (Question asked on Dancesafe.)
Epilepsy: There have been sporadic reports of seizures associated with MDMA use; epileptics are almost certainly at greater risk.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:58 pm
.:. Is what I got MDMA? Or something else .:. A list of common ingredients in ecstasy pills
As a forward note, bring your test kit to wherever you deal at and test a pill infront of them, that way you don't get scammed. And make sure to ask if there are other things in the pill (i.e; Meth, Ketamine, PMA)
MDMA is not an illegal drug. It is not listed in the in the Schedule of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). IT shold be noted that MDA is listed by the DEA, and the possession of MDA is a felony in both Federal and State law. However, if you are caught in possession with it you will be charged for amphetamines.
So since MDMA is not prescribed like it used to be and is now manufactured illegally it is hard to tell what is in your pill if you do not have a test kit. Below are the common things in Ecstasy Pills.
MDMA: The real 'ecstasy', and what you're probably looking for.
MDA: This cousin of MDMA is very similar in affects, but has been described as 'more psychedelic' and often produces distinct visuals (people have reported seeing smoke rings, faces appearing in clouds, etc.) MDA has become more common in recent years, with some people actually prefering it over MDMA. The test kit can determine if a pill contains MDA instead of MDMA. (Pills containing a mixture of MDMA and MDA are somewhat common.)
MDEA: Rarely seen, MDEA is another cousin of MDMA. It produces euphoria but seems to be relatively sedating (people just sitting around feeling good, not prone to dancing and animated conversation as you would expect with MDMA.) MDEA is pleasant in its own right, but lacks the 'fire' of the MDMA experience. The test kits cannot distinguish between MDMA and MDEA.
Methamphetamine: METH is a powerful and relatively dangerous stimulant drug. The home test kits can identify pills that contain METH by itself, but not METH combined with one of the other MDxx drugs. If you are sold an 'ecstasy' pill containing METH, you should demand your money back (if the dealer is trustworthy) or anonymously report them to the police. (No, I don't think that's being harsh. People that sell METH as 'ecstasy' are human garbage and deserve to be behind bars with large gentlemen named "Bubba" and "Jimbo".) According to the US Drug Enforcement Agency, about 2.5% of 'ecstasy' pills contain a mixture of MDMA and METH, while 3% contain only METH.
DXM (dextromethorphan): This legal cough syrup ingredient is also seen with some frequency. It's psychoactive at high doses. A DXM pill is a deliberate attempt at a rip-off, and dealers selling them should be dealt with accordingly. The test kit can usually identify a pill containing DXM.
Ketamine: Rarely sold as 'ecstasy', Ketamine is a sedative used for veterinary surgery. It used to be used for humans as well, but FDA approval was withdrawn after patients began reporting having hallucinations while they regained consciousness. Combining ketamine and MDMA in a pill is stupid and should be regarded as another rip-off attempt, with the seller being dealt with accordingly (baseball bats or police, as your inclinations carry you.) The test kit does not identify ketamine.
Caffeine, Ephedrine, Psuedoephedrine: Seen with some frequency, these ingredients are relatively inactive and safe, and should be regarded as another rip-off. Caffiene can sometimes also blunt the MDMA high.
Legal Psychoactives: Occasionally legal chemicals like 5-MeO-DIPT and piperazines have been sold as 'ecstasy', but this is likely to end with the recent banning of these drugs in the US. When these "research chemicals" have appeared, it's almost always been as a pure pill (so the test kit will identify them as not being real 'ecstasy'.)
PMA: para-MethoxyAmphetamine is rarely seen, although there was a small seizure of gelcaps containing PMA in the US in early 2004. The last time a large batch of PMA hit the streets, it killed about 20 people. The main problem seemed to be that it took over an hour to kick in (vs. 30-40 minutes for MDMA), so users would think they had gotten weak pills when nothing happened in the first hour, take a few more, and overdose. I doubt this one will appear again in large amounts: Anybody manufacturing or selling PMA would be hunted to the ends of the earth by the users, dealers, and drug enforcement agencies alike: PMA is cursed by the drug using community. The test kit does not identify PMA specifically, but would have shown that most of the PMA pills seen in the past were not real MDMA.
Heroin: Some dealers claim such a thing is common. They are morons. (Although there is a lesson in this: You can't really trust the dealer to know what's in a pill. Some are reliable, others are not, but all are strongly opinionated.) There has been some suggestion (based on a missunderstanding of the metabolic pathways involved) that heroin might significantly slow the metabolic breakdown of MDMA. This is not the case. At least one pill containing heroin was sent to ecstasydata.org. Although it did indeed contain heroin, it did not contain MDMA or any similar drug, but did contain aspirin and Prozac. If you take a close look at the pill, you can see that the logo on it sticks out, and the pressing quality is very low. This appears to be somebody's idea of a joke: A couple common medications crushed up, a little heroin tossed in, and mashed together with a cheap hand press. No self-respecting manufacturer would have used such low quality pressing dies, much less crushed up aspirins as the binder.
(Speaking of people's idea of a joke, many years ago when methamphetamine was relatively new on the public's radar, one of the evening news shows went in search of the scoop on this new drug scare. Two of the people they encountered were self-proclaimed meth users who showed the eager reporters how 'street meth' was made: They crushed up some Sudafed on the sidewalk (literally on the street), spit on it, poured a little lighter fluid on it, and stirred it around with a stick. "That's how you make street meth" they deadpanned to the reporter. The reporters of course didn't get the joke. Instead, they went on at some length about how horrible and unsanitary a drug this 'street meth' must be, never suspecting that they were simply being made fun of by the 'dumb druggies'.)
LSD, Cocaine, Mescaline: LSD and Mescaline have never been found in 'ecstasy' pills. There have been a few isolated cases of pills containing cocaine (1, 2) and MDMA (and a few pills containing only cocaine that might be mistaken for 'ecstasy' tablets.) Cocaine actually counteracts MDMA (it blocks the serotonin transporters) so it simply doesn't make sense to use it as a cut; meth is cheaper and more effective. Sometimes dealers will describe a pill as containing LSD or mescaline to explain it's more 'psychedelic' qualities (such as an MDA pill would produce.) Although famous, mescaline is actually extremely rare in the drug trade.
Rat Poison and Crushed Glass: Just another one of those urban legends, like giant alligators in New York's storm sewers. It wouldn't surprise me if this legend is courtesy of the same sort of people who brought us the 'street meth' story, but only the hoaxer knows for sure. (Once upon a time a pill containing strychnine was reportedly found, but no other pills like it ever showed up, nor were there any cases of strychnine poisoning reported, making it likely that it was either yet another prank or somebody was trying to poison a particular person.)
Illegal drug manufacturers live in an environment of almost pure capitalism; they have every reason to want to keep their customers happy and safe, both to avoid retaliation and keep business. In the end, we get out of the system what we demand out of it. Don't tolerate fakes or adulterated pills. I'm not suggesting you go break an offending dealer's legs yourself (although I wouldn't condemn it either), but at the least complain, and if complaints don't move them, report them to the police.
• People often assume that a pill was cut with some other drug if they have a bad reaction to it, such as a panic attack. This isn't necessarily the case; real MDMA can itself cause dramatic side effects. In spite of a somewhat common perception that 'ecstasy' deaths are due to other drugs being mixed into the pills, deaths from pure MDMA can and do occur. Guessing what a drug was from the subjective effects is usually very unreliable unless you have considerable prior experience with the suspected drug.
The only real way to test what is in your pill is to buy a test, which is quite worth it if you are worried about getting bad stuff. Or you can always check www.pillreports.com for what is circulating in your area before you make a purchase.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:59 pm
.:. Drug Mixing and the Dangers .:. Don't do it man.(Unless you really KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.)
Prohibited/Recreational Drugs Amphetamines (speed, crystal meth, etc.) Mixing MDMA with other amphetamines increases the risk of heatstroke, hypertension, heart attack and death. Mixing amphetamines may also increase the risk of neurotoxicity, which is highly dependant on overheating to occur. Alcohol (and other sedatives such as GHB, etc.) Can greatly increase the degree of intoxication while making the user less aware of it. Large amounts of alcohol mixed with MDMA can produce bizarre behavior with no memory of it the next day. Mixing stimulants and depressants can allow the user to unwittingly take dangerously large amounts of either since they counteract each other's effects. There have been some unexplained deaths involving mixing alcohol and MDMA. Most people that end up in the emergency room after using MDMA were mixing it with alcohol. Cannabis (marijuana) and hashish: Many MDMA users enjoy this combination, but not necessarily at the same time. A small amount of pot before taking MDMA may reduce nausea and anxiety (if the user isn't entirely comfortable with using MDMA). If used simultaneously the two drugs may not mix well and/or interfere with each other. Smoking a large amount of pot while high on MDMA can be counterproductive and unpleasant. LSD The combination of LSD and MDMA is popularly called "candyflipping." Beware: These drugs are synergistic (a small amount of MDMA and a small amount of LSD can have a strong effect when taken together.) Psilocybin ("Magic Mushrooms") Called "Hippieflipping", effects might be amplified by mixing with MDMA (like LSD.) Cocaine At first glance it seems obvious that cocaine would pose the same dangers as amphetamine. However, cocaine aggressively competes with MDMA for access to the neurotransmitter transport proteins, and in doing so can actually blunt the MDMA high. Heroin and other opiates (Oxycodone, etc.) Anecdotal reports are rare and mixed. Some users liked the combination, some report that it's very unpleasant and disturbing. There have been disturbing reports of a trend towards using heroin to deal with residual stimulant effects after the MDMA high passes. Prescription Drugs Birth Control A common issue with birth control pills is whether or not another drug will interfere with them. MDMA is not known to interfere with birth control, but the combination hasn't been properly researched. Given the large numbers of young people using both, I think we would have heard more about it if there were a problem (but don't hold me to it.) Wellbutrin (bupropion) Wellbutrin is a rather strange antidepressant drug. In the short term it affects norepinephrine, but as metabolites of the drug build up, serotonin is strongly affected as well. Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, other SSRIs and SNRIs Drugs that inhibit serotonin reuptake (often prescribed for depression, anxiety, trouble sleeping, etc.) will block MDMA's ability to work. The degree of interference varies by person, SSRI, and dose, but as much as a 70% loss of MDMA's effects seems to be common. Viagra (sildenafil) Viagra is sometimes taken by ecstasy users to overcome the common problem of impotence in men while under the influence of MDMA. Viagra actually causes a drop in blood pressure, not an increase. Viagra is not completely safe even by itself; around sixty deaths were reported in the first year of its availability. MAOI drugs Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors prevent the breakdown of neurotransmitters like dopamine and/or serotonin (depending on the type of MAOI.) As a result, dopamine/serotonin levels can become dangerously high if an MAOI is combined with drugs that release dopamine/serotonin (such as MDMA.) MAOIs have sometimes been prescribed for depression; if in doubt, ask your pharmacist if a medication you are taking is an MAOI. Never combine MDMA with an MAOI. There are some possible exceptions to this rule, but unless you're absolutely sure you know what they are, avoid the combination like the plauge. Over-the-counter medications. DXM (Dextromethorphan.) Commonly found in cold and cough medications, DXM is sometimes used recreationally (it is hallucinogenic at high doses.) DXM may reduce your body's awareness of overheating, and interferes with the breakdown of MDMA by competing for the CYP2D6 enzyme. Caffeine, Ephedra, Psuedoephedrine. Stimulants used for alertness, weight loss and as decongestants, these drugs increase pulse and blood pressure. Combining them with other stimulants may increase the rise of heart attack, stroke, heatstroke. Avoid using large amounts of these drugs with MDMA.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:00 pm
.:. Let's get rollin' .:. Because sliding down a windshield never felt betterNow in order to make sure you have a good roll it would be good to have your body prepared for what is about to happen. We're talking preloading people, getting your mind, body, and brain ready for all the awesomeness that it about to go down. So here are some things you can do to preload and get yourself ready. AntioxidantsWe've all seen oxidation. It's what rusts metal. It's what turns a slice of apple or banana brown if left exposed to the air. Oxidation is what's happening when laundry bleach ruins your clothes, or hydrogen peroxide lightens your hair. (Chemically, "oxidation" means electrical charge is being pulled off a molecule/atom.) Why does this matter to you and me? Because oxidation is also something that's constantly going on in our bodies. Virtually all of our metabolic processes produce oxidizing chemicals (like hydrogen peroxide.) As our metabolism and demands on our body go up, more of these oxidizing chemicals are produced. When we take a drug, our body's breakdown of the drug creates even more oxidative stress on our cells and tissues. In fact, it's this process of producing oxidizing chemicals while drugs are being broken down that can cause liver damage from many drugs such as alcohol. In the case of amphetamine-type drugs (including MDMA) this has a special significance, since these drugs are drawn into your brain and broken down, which can lead to neurotoxicity (damage to brain cells) in extreme cases. The good news is, your body knows exactly how to deal with such things. First, it has enzymes that break down these oxidizers as they are being produced. Second, your body has a lot of antioxidants floating around in it. An antioxidant is a chemical that neutralizes oxidizers (but is used up in the process.) As a result, unusual demands on your metabolism (such as smoking, drinking, or using MDMA) tend to reduce levels of antioxidants (because they use them up.) What does this mean for you, the responsible drug user? Well, it means that taking some antioxidants before and after your drug use can help prevent damage to your cells. Some popular antioxidants: • Vitamin C: Also known as ascorbic acid, vitamin C is found in large amounts in citrus fruits like limes, oranges, and grapefruit. Besides being an antioxidant, vitamin C is important to the immune system. Vitamin C is a water soluble vitamin, so it mainly stays in the blood and other water-rich parts of cells like the cytoplasm. • Vitamin E: Nutritionally important, this vitamin is also a good antioxidant. Vitamin E is lipid (fat) soluble, which allows it to penetrate deeply into fatty tissues (including the brain) and even get inside of cell walls. In one experiment, mice fed a severely vitamin E deficient diet suffered serious neurotoxicity when given a large dose of MDMA, while mice on a normal diet were unharmed! • Alpha-lipoic acid (ALA): ALA is an interesting antioxidant because it's both lipid-soluble and water-soluble, allowing it to get virtually anywhere in the body. As a downside, ALA is more irritating to the stomach than E and C, limiting the amount that can be comfortably taken. ALA may also be broken down very quickly in the body. • Melatonin: Traditionally sold as a sleep aid, melatonin is a very effective antioxidant on a per-weight basis, but at the doses recommended (as little as 0.25 mg) would be fairly ineffective to use simply as an antioxidant. Since I don't know what the consequences of high doses (100 mg or more) would be, I don't recommend melatonin for this purpose. • Green Tea, Grape Skin Extract, etc.: These substances have significant antioxidant properties, but are relatively unresearched. What should I take? How much? For antioxidants, I suggest Vitamin C and E, simply because they are generally well-tolerated, inexpensive, readily available, and fairly well researched (in the context of both general health and MDMA use.) Vitamin C and E are also two of the body's main normal antioxidants and work well together. Try 2-4 tablets/capsules of each over the course of the day before and/or the day of MDMA use. A little more the day after can't hurt either. If you don't want to be bothered with elaborate plans, a few capsules each of C and E several hours before use should still be beneficial. Is taking antioxidants necessary? Not at all. But, it's such an easy and cheap way to help your body deal with stress and recover that it seems perverse not to. A word on the benefits of antioxidants: There isn't a magic or 'special' antioxidant that you need. Any antioxidant at all should be helpful, and taking many different ones isn't necessarily better than taking one or two. They also aren't a cure-all. Antioxidants can probably give you a larger safety margin, but do not guarantee that nothing bad can happen. Take all the usual precautions (avoiding prolonged dancing in hot environments, if dancing get moderate (but not excessive) water intake, and don't mix drugs. 5-HTP 5-HTP is the chemical your brain turns into serotonin. Since MDMA use depletes serotonin levels, 5-HTP is a quite useful tool for recovering after use. Taking a little 5-HTP can prevent the more notorious possible aftereffects of MDMA use, such as depression and anxiety for a day or two (which is partly due to low serotonin levels.) For the curious, the full biological pathway for serotonin production is: 1. The amino acid tryptophan is digested from protein in your food. 2. The tryptophan is turned in 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) by an enzyme in your brain called Tryptophan Hydroxylase. 3. The 5-HTP is converted in 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT, better known as "serotonin") by another enzyme called Aromatic Amino Acid Decarboxylase. As a practical matter, most of the tryptophan and 5-HTP are broken down by the decarboxylase enzyme long before they get to the brain, but the brain doesn't need much. So, it's Food --> Tryptophan --> 5-HTP --> serotonin. 5-HTP is particularly useful because it's the last link in the chain, making it the most effective way to enhance serotonin production with a supplement. 5-HTP has traditionally been taken as a sleep aid, natural antidepressant, and weight loss aid (all of which are the result of its enhancement of serotonin levels.) It has become much more popular with the realization of how it could benefit MDMA users. How should I use 5-HTP? In the context of using MDMA, I'd suggest one capsule two hours before taking the MDMA (entirely optional), another capsule when you come down, and one a day for several days afterwards. If you feel irritable or depressed, take one more capsule as needed. Can taking a bunch of 5-HTP before using MDMA make the high more intense/last longer? To some extent, yes. By increasing the amount of serotonin available to be released, 5-HTP can help MDMA work. However, doing so introduces a new unknown factor. If you try this, take one or two capsules two hours before taking the MDMA. (You need to have some time between taking the 5-HTP and MDMA or the MDMA's effects can be blunted. Some people report that even three hours is not enough to prevent this effect.) The effect isn't likely to be dramatic, but can help ensure that you get the full effect of the MDMA. Could I get high just from taking 5-HTP? Sort of. If being slightly cheerful and giddy for 10-15 minutes is worth a day of feeling sick (severe gas, vomiting, diarrhea, etc.) One of the things that has constantly amazed me is the adventurousness of drug users: If you can think of it, somebody has probably tried it. Massive doses of 5-HTP have been tried, and the results were less than encouraging if you wanted a recreational effect. Where do you get 5-HTP? Health food stores and drug stores/pharmacies in the US often carry 5-HTP, or you can order some online (just search for "5-HTP" at Google.) Mail order can be much less expensive. (Unfortunately, 5-HTP is not available over-the-counter in some countries, although one could always just mail-order some from overseas if there are local restrictions on it's sale.) Other Supplements • Magnesium: Some users report that taking magnesium supplements reduces the tendency to clench your teeth while on MDMA. I haven't tried it myself, but the idea makes some sense. (Mg++ ions are involved in controlling nerve firing.) Magnesium may also reduce the 'eye wiggles' side effect sometimes seen with MDMA, although that one doesn't seem to really bother people.) • Calcium and potassium: No known benefit, and may make jaw clenching, etc. worse. (These small metal ions promote nerve firing.) • L-DOPA, Tyrosine, and Alanine: These are precursors to dopamine, just as tryptophan and 5-HTP are precursors to serotonin. L-DOPA is normally prescription-only, and should be considered dangerous. Tyrosine is considerably less potent at producing dopamine, alanine is the least effective of all. Both are sometimes used to enhance the MDMA high by supporting dopamine (and norepinephrine) production. I regard this practice as being of questionable safety: Dopamine and norepinephrine appear to be major contributors to heatstroke and death in animal overdose and neurotoxicity experiments. While the risks probably aren't terribly great, I cannot recommend this practice in the absence of further research. Besides, if you can't enjoy MDMA for what it is, perhaps it's time to give it up. • Grapefruit juice: Some grapefruit juice has a (naturally occurring) chemical in it that can interfere with the metabolism of certain drugs by inhibiting an enzyme in your liver called CYP3A4. If a drug is aggressively broken down by this 3A4 enzyme, then grapefruit juice can significantly increase the drug's effect by interfering with its breakdown. Although MDMA can be broken down by this enzyme, it's a minor contributor to the drug's metabolism. As such, inhibiting CYP3A4 would likely have little effect. Protips and other Tidbits
Popping a Tums an hour before you take your pills will lower your stomach's acidity level. It's helped me come up faster and have harder rolls.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:01 pm
.:. Dosage and Administering .:. A guideline for those that aren't familiar with dosage amounts
MDMA mgs
Threshold: 30mg
Light: 40 - 75 mg
Common (small or sensitive people): 60 - 90 mg
Common (most people) 75 - 125 mg:
Common (large or less sensitive people): 110 - 150 mg
Strong: 150 - 200 mg
Heavy: 200+ mg
Maximum: ~300mg (the cut off point is usually 250mg for MDMA's effects, though it can potentially vary)
Onset: 20 - 70 minutes (depending on form and stomach contents)
Duration: 3 - 5 hours
Normal After Effects: 24 - 72 hours
The normal way to dose is oral. But some people parachute, plug, snort, and IV it.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:05 pm
.:. The good, the ok, and the ugly .:. Effects of MDMA and Ecstasy Positive
* extreme mood lift * increased willingness to communicate * increase in energy (stimulation) * ego softening * feelings of comfort, belonging, and closeness to others * feelings of love and empathy * forgiveness * increased awareness & appreciation of music * increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell) * profound life-changing spiritual experiences * neurotically based fear dissolution * sensations bright and intense * urge to hug, kiss, and cuddle with people
Neutral
* appetite loss * visual distortion * rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus) * mild visual hallucinations (uncommon) * moderately increased heart rate and blood pressure (increases with dose) * restlessness, nervousness, shivering * change in body temperature regulation * swellings of unexpected emotion, emotional availability * strong desire to do or want more when coming down
Negative
* (negative side effects increase with higher doses and frequent use) * inappropriate and/or unintended emotional bonding * tendency to say things you might feel uncomfortable about later * mild to extreme jaw clenching (trisma), tongue and cheek chewing, and teeth grinding (bruxia) * difficulty concentrating & problems with activities requiring linear focus * short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion * muscle tension * erectile dysfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm * increase in body temperature, hyperthermia, dehydration. To avoid this, make sure to drink plenty of water. However, drinking too much water can result in hyponatremia ("water intoxication"), a rare, yet potentially deadly symptom. Some "MDMA casualties" were actually caused by hyponatremia. To prevent this, make sure to eat or drink something to replace electrolytes, as well. (Preferably, something salty.) An easy way to do this is to swallow a salt tablet, eat some snacks, or consume a sports drink. * nausea and vomiting * headaches, dizziness, loss of balance, and vertigo * sadness on coming down, sense of loss or immediate nostalgia * post-trip Crash - unpleasantly harsh comedown from the peak effect * hangover the next day, lasting days to weeks * mild depression and fatigue for up to a week * severe depression and/or fatigue (uncommon) * possible strong urge to repeat the experience, though not physically addictive * possible psychological crisis requiring hospitalization (psychotic episodes, severe panic attacks, etc) (rare) * possible liver toxicity (rare) * possible neurotoxicity (controversial) * small risk of death. Approximately 2 per 100,000 users have extreme negative reactions resulting in death. (rare)
Symptoms of an Overdose
Upon overdose, the potentially serious serotonin syndrome, stimulant psychosis, and/or hypertensive crisis, among other dangerous adverse reactions, may come to prominence, the symptoms of which can include the following:
* Psychological o Disorientation and/or confusion o Anxiety, paranoia, and/or panic attacks o Hypervigilance or increased sensitivity to perceptual stimuli, accompanied by significantly increased threat detection o Hypomania or full-blown mania o Derealization and/or depersonalization o Hallucinations and/or delusions o Thought disorder or disorganized thinking o Cognitive and memory impairment potentially to the point of retrograde or anterograde amnesia o Acute delirium and/or insanity
* Physiological o Myoclonus or involuntary and intense muscle twitching o Hyperreflexia or overresponsive or overreactive reflexes o Tachypnoea or rapid breathing and/or dyspnea or shortness of breath o Palpitations or abnormal awareness of the beating of the heart o Angina pectoris or severe chest pain, as well as pulmonary hypertension (PH) o Cardiac arrhythmia or abnormal electrical activity of the heart o Circulatory shock or cardiogenic shock o Vasculitis or destruction of blood vessels o Cardiotoxicity or damage to the heart o Cardiac arrest, myocardial infarction, and/or heart failure o Hemorrhage and/or stroke o Severe hyperthermia, potentially resulting in organ failure
* Miscellaneous o Syncope or fainting or loss of consciousness o Organ failure (as mentioned above) o Possible brain damage o Coma and/or death
IN THE EVENT OF AN OVERDOSE/HEATSTROKE/ Do not panic and keep calm. Carry the person away from the excitement(Lights, speakers, people) Prop them up against something near a trash can, they probably will need to puke. If they are laying on their back there is a chance they will asphyxiate. Give them some water/gatorade, make sure they take at least 3 or 4 good swallows of water/gatorade. (Most of the time people are suffering from heatstroke and after they drink something they're fine) Ask them for their name, what they took, and if they know how much. However, if they are unresponsive, or have a very high temperature, call an EMT and keep some cool, damp papertowels around their neck and forehead until paramedics arrive
*Note: It is better to take the person into the bathroom if they need to puke, because if most security sees someone throwing up, they will kick them out.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:09 pm
.:. Myths and common misconceptions .:.
Created by the DEA and other coperations to scare people away * Having sex on MDMA will ruin regular sex forever.
False. If you enjoy sex now, you will continue to like sex afterward. Many male users of MDMA find it difficult to gain or maintain an erection, and many find it much more difficult to orgasm. (Guys, take 2 advil a half hour to an hour before taking your pill so you can get an erection)
* Ecstasy burns holes in your brain
False. MTV showed a brain scan of a woman who consumes large amounts of ecstasy. Scans actually showed dark spots or 'holes', which marked a lower blood flow in the region. Blood flow is completely relative to the person, any person’s brain will show the same pattern.
* Ecstasy contains LSD, cocaine, heroin, mescaline
False. There is no profit in giving out more expensive drugs by mixing them in cheap pills. LSD, cocaine, heroin and mescaline are all much more expensive to produce. Cocaine, heroin, and mescaline are not such low quantities in the stomach; it would take a much greater volume of those drugs to produce an effect. However, there are some reports of these drugs being in pills, so be careful.
* Ecstasy drains your spinal fluid.
False. One of the ways of measuring the effects of MDMA is to take measures of serotonin production. Serotonin is produced in your brain & in your spinal fluid, researchers have measured serotonin levels in spinal fluid, to determine whether MDMA usage was affecting them. It was the spinal taps that drained the fluid, not the MDMA.
* Ecstasy makes the cells of your brain stem break off and they travel down your spine.
False. There is literally no evidence to support this what so ever.
* Ecstasy makes your brain bleed.
False. No evidence to suggest this is true in the slightest. Brain hemorrhaging produces comas and death effectively every time; it does not produce not the effects of MDMA at all.
* Taking MDMA makes you depressed; the only way to feel normal is taking more of it
False. That is simply a temporary side effect of very low serotonin levels after dosing on MDMA. It rarely happens unless MDMA abuse is continued for days at a time.
* Ecstasy and MDMA is addictive
False. MDMA is physically non-addicting by itself. Psychological addiction can occur when the user has an addictive personality already, and some users will enjoy the high so much that they will want to take more to feel the high again(Also known as 'fiending'). There may be some other drugs added to the pill that may be addictive themselves, such as amphetamine, methamphetamine, PMA, piperazine or ketamine.
* Different physical characteristics and the number of 'stacks' in pills indicates how much MDMA is in an ecstasy pill.
The thickness or number of stacks in a pill only tells you that the pill has more filler or is pressed multiple times. Always check your pill on pillreports.com or ecstasydata.org to see what people say about it. Those websites will have information on how much MDMA is suspected to be in the pills, if there are any adulterants present, and user reports from people who have taken them.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:22 pm
.:. Hangovers and Recovery .:. Dude. Last night. My god.
Ok, so you've rolled and you aren't feeling too hot. So now what you should do (especially to give your brain a helping hand) is to continue to drink water, orange juice, and taking 100mg of 5-HTP every other day for a week. Make sure you get good rest at night and do a little bit of exercise to get endorphins up and running again.
MDMA does stay in your system for 2-3 days, and any other drugs that were in the pill will show up as well. So to avoid it showing up drink lots of water, cranberry juice and exercise. Popping a B-12 vitamin will also color your urine yellow so it doesn't look like you were drinking mass water to pass it.
(Needing more info and imput on how people deal with their hangovers, let me know what you do peeps!) Info from DEA and taimapedia as well as experience
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:00 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:30 am
Off with your head!Dance til you're dead!
FANTASTIC thread GhostyKat! Shows positives and negatives.
Also, guys, If you want to know what an overdose really feels like, PM me... I'll tell you all about mine, beginning to end. The story I posted in the thread was kind of a condensed version.
After the overdose, I may never roll again. I will admit that I miss it, but not enough to risk "dying" again.
But please, don't be shy. I'm okay to talk about it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:09 pm
kat what you over dose on doesnt sound like E at all
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:36 pm
Off with your head!Dance til you're dead!
Well, see, I was a dipshit and I took 6. The last 2 I took were different from the first 4. I double dropped the last 2 as well. And actually, I was perfectly fine until I took the last 2... I guess I kinda went wild because it was the first one in like, FOREVER that I didn't have to drive home for. And I wanted to be ******** up alllll night.
Stay the ******** away from Orange Supermans. My blood tests from the hospital were FULLLLL of amphetamines... That means I got methbombs.
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