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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:42 pm


People vent in their own ways~some people cry for an hour, some go vandalise a wall, so why is self-harm considered.. Well, bad? I mean, if cutters feel better causing themselves pain, shouldn't we just accept that? We would have a different perception of people who cause self-harm if the people who decided self-harm was crazy or not normal, had seen it as an okay thing to do---So who got to decide there's something wrong with people who cut themselves, and who gets to decide what's "normal" or "sane"?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:52 pm


Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:04 pm


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Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .


Exactly my point. There are many different reasons why people do it, so why are they sometimes avoided, labelled, teased or unfairly treated because of it?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:21 pm


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Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .


Exactly my point. There are many different reasons why people do it, so why are they sometimes avoided, labelled, teased or unfairly treated because of it?

The world is simply judgmental. That is after all why there is racism, looking at classes, skin tones, etc.
People tend to judge other people even when they say they don't.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:39 am


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Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .


Exactly my point. There are many different reasons why people do it, so why are they sometimes avoided, labelled, teased or unfairly treated because of it?

The world is simply judgmental. That is after all why there is racism, looking at classes, skin tones, etc.
People tend to judge other people even when they say they don't.

But why do people consider "cutters" to, well.. not be sane. I mean, why do people assume they're troubled or have "problems". Why do they advise cutters to seek help?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:43 am


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Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .


Exactly my point. There are many different reasons why people do it, so why are they sometimes avoided, labelled, teased or unfairly treated because of it?

The world is simply judgmental. That is after all why there is racism, looking at classes, skin tones, etc.
People tend to judge other people even when they say they don't.

But why do people consider "cutters" to, well.. not be sane. I mean, why do people assume they're troubled or have "problems". Why do they advise cutters to seek help?

because "cutters" aren't insane but rather still troubled. They do need to seek help, but not from one of those people who think they are insane.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:57 am


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Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .


Exactly my point. There are many different reasons why people do it, so why are they sometimes avoided, labelled, teased or unfairly treated because of it?

The world is simply judgmental. That is after all why there is racism, looking at classes, skin tones, etc.
People tend to judge other people even when they say they don't.

But why do people consider "cutters" to, well.. not be sane. I mean, why do people assume they're troubled or have "problems". Why do they advise cutters to seek help?

because "cutters" aren't insane but rather still troubled. They do need to seek help, but not from one of those people who think they are insane.

But if you think about it.. Isn't everyone troubled?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:59 am


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Those people aren't insane as I see it, most likely because it can be compulsive sometimes or something similar to that. . . I don't do self-harm as a part of my insanity. . . I do it to feel . . . human. . .


Exactly my point. There are many different reasons why people do it, so why are they sometimes avoided, labelled, teased or unfairly treated because of it?

The world is simply judgmental. That is after all why there is racism, looking at classes, skin tones, etc.
People tend to judge other people even when they say they don't.

But why do people consider "cutters" to, well.. not be sane. I mean, why do people assume they're troubled or have "problems". Why do they advise cutters to seek help?

because "cutters" aren't insane but rather still troubled. They do need to seek help, but not from one of those people who think they are insane.

But if you think about it.. Isn't everyone troubled?

Yes, but it still has differences. Not everyone cuts themselves.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:09 am


It's viewed as bad because it is bad. Just like telling yourself "I'm not good enough" is bad. No matter what the form, self harm is never okay. Same goes for those who vent by vandalism. If the way you vent causes harm to yourself or others, you need to be taught a better way to deal with your problems.

Needing help doesn't mean you're crazy. Knowing you need help and actually asking for it is a brave thing.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:36 am


Generally speaking, people don't cut as an alternative to crying or screaming or taking a walk. They do it because those other things aren't effective in the given situation or they need to stop doing them right away.

For example, I had a serious situation a few weeks ago where I went ballistic. Not only was I crying so loudly that everyone in the hall had to be able to hear me, but I couldn't breathe. My face was tingling. I felt like I was about to pass out. But I couldn't stop.

And so I just tore up my arm.

Cutting is harmful and painful. Cuts are something people want to avoid. So when psychologists hear that a person is inflicting pain on themselves, that suggests that they're feeling another pain far more intensely.

I needed to stop feeling what I was feeling, so I brought in a pain that wasn't as psychologically upsetting and more immediate (to my visual field, to the skin).

Everybody has problems. Everybody needs ways of coping. But certain ways of coping are unhealthy. Punching a hole in the wall of an apartment is vandalism - you're going to have to pay to get it fixed. Punching a hole in someone's face is assault. Regardless of whether this stuff makes you feel better, it still has very negative consequences.

I have never met a person who has cut who hasn't felt extreme shame for it.

To know that you had to rely on self harm in order to stop yourself from doing harm . . . it's messed up. It doesn't make people feel good about themselves.


Psychologists don't intervene to stop the cutting. They want to stop what's causing the cutting - because someone who is engaging in self harm is past the point of "normal" upset. There's something wrong in their cognitive processes that's causing terror in their heads. I wasn't happy that I did what I did, but it would be a lot better if I had never gotten to the point of doing it.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:42 am


It's called self-harm because it's harmful. It doesn't mean the person is insane, but it's best if their problems can be dealt with in a way that doesn't result in physical injuries x__X
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:48 am


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I'm not going to pretend I understand much on this topic, because I don't. I tend to either feel really dull emotions or none at all |: I became prone to bad things happening to me to the point that I can brush off a death like a bug bite.
I see hurting yourself about as bad as hurting other people. They're both ways I vented my anger before my life became a downward spiral, and now when I do get an emotional overload, they're something I do.
I see hurting youself as something to dull emotional pain via physical pain. I've done it before, too. I see hurting people as a vent. I've done that too. There are after effects, such as feeling bad, wishing you hadn't done it, ectect.
I'm a sadist and a bit of a masochist. So I don't judge people on that kind of thing. I tend to just not judge people unless I actually know them.
I'm not sane, I'm not going to lie on that one. Anyone whom wouldn't look twice if someone they loved died, hurts themselves and others, has random outburst, questions the fibers of this earth seriously, and still looks at life like a happy rainbow, is not sane in my opinion. But thats my problem, back to the point.
While yes I find it just a tad strange, I also won't judge people on it. I don't cut myself, but I hurt myself in other ways. I find cutting just a way to dull emotional pain with physical pain.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:00 am


self harm is just a negative way for people to cope =/

it doesnt mean they are insane or sane just means they are hurting and they need a way to deal with it
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:37 pm


I don't have much personal experience with cutting, but for several years, my two best friends were cutters. Not pleasant. I support TWLOHA. Anyway, here goes.

While it may just be a system of venting, most peoples' venting (screaming, crying, shouting, trashing physical objects, whatever) may be harmful to their environment or emotionally hurt other people, cutting physically hurts yourself. It's not that hard to go too deep, cut too many times, use a bad blade, or not get proper medical attention and seriously harm yourself from cutting. Cutting implies that, instead of you're just having emotional issues, that you'd actually be willing to bleed to death and cause yourself to die. Cutting is a distraction, much like taking drugs to hallucinate or something, but, like drugs, it's really, REALLY harmful. One of my best friends has been a cutter for several years (stopped this year heart heart heart ), and, for the rest of her life, will quite literally be coated in scars. Unlike screaming, or crying, or shouting, or trashing something, cutting leaves lasting physical impact, and can imply mental problems more serious than just bad circumstances.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:08 pm


Self-harm is viewed in a negative manner mainly because it is seen as contradicting a living being's desire to survive. It is accepted that most people want to live and live comfortably, so why are you, the person inflicting self-harm, abusing your body so? To society, those that inflict self-harm may be seen as people ready to either intentionally end their life (loss of will to live) or might unintentionally do so.

It is the general consensus amongst people that life is precious and that it ought not to be thrown away in such a manner.

That being said, it doesn't mean people think such people are insane as much as needing help.
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