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 Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:48 pm
An Orthodox Rabbi at my school says Judaism is a race.
I was always taught that only the Nazis said it that way.
I was always taught that Judaism is a religion, a culture, and an ethnicity. But a race?
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:48 pm
Well, "a race" is a very wide label. It can be used as "a culture", or "an ethnicity" or similar razz
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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:12 pm
Race is the wrong word to use. It has been totally hijacked by evolution and hatemongers to mean something other than it really is.
There is only one race where humanity is concerned... the Human Race.
Instead of trying to separate humanity into differing races based on skin color and language, perhaps we should embrace the fact that we are all from the same family and race...
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:20 am
Not using the word "race" is not going to end racism ...
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:08 am
Artto Not using the word "race" is not going to end racism ... No, it will not end racism, but it would end the misconceptions that improper word usage has brought upon the world when it comes to the word "race".
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:22 am
Eponishta No, it will not end racism, but it would end the misconceptions that improper word usage has brought upon the world when it comes to the word "race". The term "race" can describe different groups of people - black, caucasian, asian, etc. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Avoiding the term just gives the impression that there is something wrong with it, and in a way acknowledges racism.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:05 pm
When the Greeks opressed the Jews, and said 'convert or face the consequences.'
The Nazis, however, said Judaism was a race. That even if you convert you still have Jew-blood in your veins, and you are still an animal.
I was always taught that we as Jews were not supposed to use the word 'race' for that reason.
But an Orthodox Rabbi at my school says that Judaism is a race.
How else, said he, are non-Orthodox Jews still 'Jews' when they don't practice Judaism?
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:14 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew When the Greeks opressed the Jews, and said 'convert or face the consequences.' The Nazis, however, said Judaism was a race. That even if you convert you still have Jew-blood in your veins, and you are still an animal. I was always taught that we as Jews were not supposed to use the word 'race' for that reason. But an Orthodox Rabbi at my school says that Judaism is a race. How else, said he, are non-Orthodox Jews still 'Jews' when they don't practice Judaism? You said yourself Judaism is an ethnicity. It seems that is the context this rabbi is using the term race in. He's just not using it in a racist way. He sounds wise, to not avoid a word just because someone else has raped it's meaning.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:29 pm
Ethnicity and race ace basically the same thing IMO. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:24 am
Ah, the confusion of words. Does race mean ethnicity or species? I tend to equate it with the latter, but many people do use it interchangably with ethnicity. I think that's what this Rabbi is doing.
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:31 am
I've always thought "Jewish" was also a matter of ethnicity, not just a religion, and they don't necessarily go together.
At least this is how many people see it and they do for a reason.
Otherwise I shouldn't have been Israeli.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:52 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:17 pm
if you want to discuss the whole race issues, biologically, there is only one race/species of human. Race is a cultural construct, not a scientific one.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:20 am
I have heard, that if your mother is a jew, then you are a jew.
It may have been that thing that the rabbi were referring to, because that definition lies very close to the "race" definition.
Theris no such thing as "The Human Race", because "human" is a Species!
For someone not schooled in the use of such words, the easiest way to find a correct use of the word race, today, is actually by looking at Dog breeders and similar.
"Dog" is a Species.
Breeders divide this species further into different Races.
Examples of different Dog Races is:
Bulldog, Chow-chow, Chiuaua, Beagle ......
They are all Dogs(the Species), but they are different Races.
"Race" is mainly based on looks, and possibly on abilities.
The fundamental incorrectness that the nazis brought up and used, was that they thought they were of the "Aryan" race, superior in every way, but also that the "Jewish" race was inferior in every important way.
I actually dislike what breeders do(inbreeding result in health problems, but they continue to inbreed the dogs anyway), but even those know that no dog race is superior or inferior in general, just that some is better as watchdogs, some are better for tracking, and some is better company.
Just in case somone has managed to misunderstand:
I do NOT compare jews to dogs, i compare all Humans to dogs.
The difference between humans and dogs, is that there has been a lot of natural crossbreeding between the potential races of humans, so there is no longer any sharp distinctions between them, as there are with the bred dogs.
This also means that the abilities, that for instance nazis may have tried to refer to once(but was wrong about even then), has been intermixed as well.
Ok, ethnicity and race may be similar, but as i see it, race is more based on looks and blood-relation, while ethnicity is more culture-based.
Do correct me if i'm wrong.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:28 pm
I have only seen laymen use "race" when they mean "ethnicity"; it's something I've yet to encounter in the mounds of anthropological works I have read or am reading (mind you, I've read stuff from the mid-20th century and earlier).
That said, I've never heard of Jews as a race either but as a religion and ethnicity.
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