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 Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:45 am
Ok so we are going with the elements as a big part of things, I think that we should also have a topic about our elements. Currently we don't even know if we are doing 4 or 85 elements.
So personally I think we should decide on what our elements are.
Now of course we are going to have the Earth, Wind, Water, and Fire. But are we also going to do Light and Dark? What about Aether and Electricity?
As for the people asking WTF is Aether? Why Aether is what holds the stars in the sky, you silly people! What? did you think it was that those where to far away for gravity to pull them to us? Well you are wrong, it is the Aether that holds them, and everything in the sky in place. You see if you go out into space, you will run into Aether, its what holds the universe together! Its sort of like earth in that its sort of solid, and its sort of like air in that you can pass through it, but what it does is it gives form to space itself and holds things in place. If you were to condense Aether you would form an object that while it is there, you could pass right through it, so long as you could resist the repelling force, it would be a bit like trying to push magnets against one another. Oh and by the way Aether of Classical Greek origin.
Personally I like the idea of the eight I have posted, because I want as many as I can get, and if you go past that, you either make up entirely new ones, or you get nitpicky and go for your metals and woods and such. You could just leave it at the eight elements aren't entirely pure, like earth has the metals in it, and water has salt or silt, and can freeze or mist, and fire can take different forms and colors.
I could help with the creation of something containing more then 8 elements, however, I think that might be crazy.
With the eight element system you can also split them into the basic and the advanced. basic being of course earth, wind, water, and fire, advanced being light, dark, aether, and electricity.
So people your ideas? thoughts? preferences?
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:16 am
Let's put it at 7. Why 7? Because that'll give us the basic, Fire, Earth, Water and Air, as well as giving us Light and Dark, and Aether as king. Why do I say Aether is king? Because like the great Olympians in Greak Mythology, though they all are of high supremacy, Zeus was the head god. The leader of the others. My thoughts, that there is an element that supervises all of the other Elder Gods, who I thought may be the original elements, which I think you partially agreed with me on it, and supposedly regulates everything. I wouldn't say electricity is an element for multiple reasons. One of which is that, sometimes electricity or lightning is linked to the air element, and sometimes it is linked to the fire element like in Avatar. My thinking is that it's actually(if we want to move into physics and SCIENCE) that it is actually linked to water. As when you rub water together, energy build up occurs causing lightning, which is why we see lightning during thunder storms and while it's raining. I'm not saying to link electricity or energy to anything, but I just don't think that electricity should be one. Because if we do that, then we best as well say that we're going to add in ice as an element, nature as an element, metal as an element, so on and so forth.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:26 pm
I like electricity as its own element because it takes care of what you get electricity from. Plus it is itself entirely separate from everything else, no matter how people tend to link it to others, which is the definition of an element.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:43 pm
Eh...I'm not comfortable with it, but I do get your point. Well...that and I can't really argue against it, so why even bother? I'll just make myself sound like a jerk in the end.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:45 pm
Oh, but how do you plan for electricity to be used in the thoughts of an element? I mean, I can imagine water mills being in existence, since those aren't that technologically advanced or whatnot. I mean, I can imagine some ways they can make energy without it being an element, but like...I just want to know how you can implement that. Because, if we want, we can just say that the gods are angry, so they're tossing lightning bolts at us.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:02 pm
Well with the eight element system i was figuring that most work would be done with the first four, the basic elements. And that advanced elements would do only a little work because they are harder to use.
But I figure that in enchantments you would use electricity more for magnetism then anything else. Combine it with aether and you could make a wall that shifts from place to place, parts of it changing along the wall, magnetism moving it, aether holding it in place, possibly floating. You could also use electrical magic to charge aether, causing the aether to either attract objects, or repel them.
I figure a whole system of using just aether and electricity could be used as the basis for some magical tech.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:41 am
Oh! Okay. Now we're going somewhere. If I was the one who actually asked to get help making the world, I'd get P.Oed when somebody only says the have an idea including A and B, but they don't tell much at all about how it's going to play out. Okay. LOL! If we go with your system, my idea for a war like origin of Mana will be gone. Eh. Doesn't matter. Anyways...Aether. Let me put it this way.  <===Luna Moon Now then. Lady Luna usually hovers in her Crescent Moon and rarely comes out. Would Aether be considered the reason why Crescent Moon is able to move from place to place and also hover in air? Oh, and with the way you're doing it, no matter how technologically advanced a race is, you're practically forcing them to use magic unless they're a bunch of barbarous imbusiles like the orcs who uses nature like making fire old school way and ransacking villages with spiked clubs.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:17 am
I just thought of something. Now, if you remembered, I had said how the original elements were the Elder Gods and whatnot, because we had 2 Elder Gods called Light and Dark, but we never payed attention to that detail for a while. Now then, I said that the Elder Gods mated with each other to form the Lesser Gods, so they can work with watching over the world of Mana. Now, I just thought of something. What if, when the Elders mated, say that Water mated with Earth, and then the nature element arose? Get it? What if the first wave of Lesser Gods were the sub elements, because I can see Electricity as a subelement, because full isn't necessarily my cup of tea.
By saying this, we can have the sub elements Ice, Nature, Mud(if you want. I'm just saying. Some of them aren't grand), Mist, Lightning(electricity), and so on and so forth. Because, when it comes to there being a group that is suppose to have power, it irks me when it starts off with an even number. I mean, I always expect only one being in the middle when they line up. Like, I can imagine Aether being the head of the Elder Gods since he holds everything together. Heck! If we want to go there, we can say that he's space and time. Or at least, if he were to have offspring, his kids would be.
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:31 am
If, by any chance, you would like to role with me on this, or, if not all and at the least the Elder Gods being the original elements, then would you care if we could try to find some pictures to probably give them a more concrete appearance.  Look! The Water Elder is a mage! And female! Whoot? Whoot!
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:54 pm
I like the idea of having five to eight. the four basics are a definite.... Earth, Wind, Water, Fire, Light, Dark, Aether, and Electricity.... At the minimum, I would stick with the five that are used in Greek history then adding, light and darkness and possibly Electricity. Quote: Now then. Lady Luna usually hovers in her Crescent Moon and rarely comes out. Would Aether be considered the reason why Crescent Moon is able to move from place to place and also hover in air? Oh, and with the way you're doing it, no matter how technologically advanced a race is, you're practically forcing them to use magic unless they're a bunch of barbarous imbusiles like the orcs who uses nature like making fire old school way and ransacking villages with spiked clubs. Lady Luna and all the stars in the heaven are able to stay in the heavens and move from place to place because of Aether...Aether can be considered to be the medium through which light propagates as well... As for your other statement...I don't think so. Even though each of the Elementals is a magic, each element still exists on the world without the element being magic. So no one is forcing any race to use magic, they just have to be able to create the element through science. As I've been thinking, I don't think the Elementals should BE the Elder Gods...The more I thought about it, the more I felt that they should be two separate entities while still bing attached to each other; thus, my thoughts have lead me to think that the Elementals are mirrors of the Elder Gods intelligences, each Elemental reflecting a single intelligence or being. I'm about to post something that will clarify that a bit...But with that being said, I don't think Elementals have an actual body as the above is portrayed. Instead, Elementals are masses of a single element that is fluid and can form itself into a mortal appearance...OH, and I do believe we can still work in your war idea, only I'd like you to explain it before I say yes....don't do it in this thread please.
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:26 pm
Feign Child I like the idea of having five to eight. the four basics are a definite.... Earth, Wind, Water, Fire, Light, Dark, Aether, and Electricity.... At the minimum, I would stick with the five that are used in Greek history then adding, light and darkness and possibly Electricity. Quote: Now then. Lady Luna usually hovers in her Crescent Moon and rarely comes out. Would Aether be considered the reason why Crescent Moon is able to move from place to place and also hover in air? Oh, and with the way you're doing it, no matter how technologically advanced a race is, you're practically forcing them to use magic unless they're a bunch of barbarous imbusiles like the orcs who uses nature like making fire old school way and ransacking villages with spiked clubs. Lady Luna and all the stars in the heaven are able to stay in the heavens and move from place to place because of Aether...Aether can be considered to be the medium through which light propagates as well... As for your other statement...I don't think so. Even though each of the Elementals is a magic, each element still exists on the world without the element being magic. So no one is forcing any race to use magic, they just have to be able to create the element through science. As I've been thinking, I don't think the Elementals should BE the Elder Gods...The more I thought about it, the more I felt that they should be two separate entities while still bing attached to each other; thus, my thoughts have lead me to think that the Elementals are mirrors of the Elder Gods intelligences, each Elemental reflecting a single intelligence or being. I'm about to post something that will clarify that a bit...But with that being said, I don't think Elementals have an actual body as the above is portrayed. Instead, Elementals are masses of a single element that is fluid and can form itself into a mortal appearance...OH, and I do believe we can still work in your war idea, only I'd like you to explain it before I say yes....don't do it in this thread please. Bingo! There we go. The Elder Gods represent the elements. That's what I meant. I said they are for the heck of it, but representing them is more of an thought that I wish to mean. I will tell the war plan in the Creation Theory.
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:49 pm
I don't really see how having more elements, like aether and electricity would make it so that races have to use magic. First like Feign said. Feign Child As for your other statement...I don't think so. Even though each of the Elementals is a magic, each element still exists on the world without the element being magic. So no one is forcing any race to use magic, they just have to be able to create the element through science. Next, tech would be good at some things while magic is good at others. For one thing, the more advanced the magic the less precise it would be, because its more difficult. Like you can't use magic to mass produce goods using aether, because its hard to use aether, being an advanced element. You would be more likely to find goods that use aether being produced without the aid of magic.
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:28 am
Neotepid...it's not that the Elder Gods are representations of the Elementals but the other way around....Elementals are mirrors of the Elder Gods Intelligences and personalities of a sort....
BoredTears, I wasn't saying that science was to only be used to create magic... I was just trying to say that science could duplicate some of its effects...like electricity to run machinery...I do think that Science should be used to do things that magic has no or little potential in developing a solution.
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:23 am
I wasn't trying to say that it would be used to create magic, just that having complicated magic doesn't make it so that you have to use magic to accomplish things.
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:46 am
(O.o) Did my wording really got things mixed. I understand that the elementals are representations of the Elder Gods. I'm hoping I worded that correctly. LOL!
Anyways, at the beginning were there only the Elder Gods or were there those gods and more around? I'm just asking for future references.
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