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ajwdevoker

PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:34 pm


ChristianScience

Summary As you may now, Christianity can be summarized as the belief in Jesus Christ but in a 'worship' state. It has been proven that Jesus Christ once lived and spread his religion throughout the Mid West but was he really the son of God? Christian Science allows a new view of Christianity giving more of an explanation of these miracles and giving a better understanding of worshiping God instead of going through blind fate. God tells us that we must have faith for our minds can not use the full potential that it possesses. Studies show that we as the human race use an average of ten percent of our brains on a daily basis. If we used even fifty percent, would we possibly have the capacity to intake all the knowledge that God has not given us?

Personal View I believe in God but not because I was raised in a Christian childhood nor is it because I read passages in the Bible and agreed with them. Some people say they believe in God because they felt that he 'reached' them but the reason still is not this. A lot of the reason that I believe in God is because it is nice to tell myself that there is someone up there watching my steps and keeping me on track. It is nice to know that there is always someone to talk too and admit my wrong-doings too. If the world was perfect and without sin, there would be no reason for believing in God because we would live by ourselves but the main reason I believe in God is because of past instances where great miracles or coincidences have happened. How most of these miracles that can be and have been proven, but I do not believe in the Bible for the sin of man could have easily corrupted the Bible over the past thousand years.

Red Sea Explanation The split of the Red Sea when Jesus Christ put out his hand calling power from God to split the Red Sea in two and allowing safe passage across it has been thoroughly researched by scientists. The main hypothesis on it splitting is called, 'wind setdown'. Wind setdown is when the wind blows strong enough for period of time moving water and causing a decrease in the natural water level. At the time, the wind could have blown long enough to move the water out of the way allowing a path across. The real miracle would be the timing of it happening.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:58 pm


ajwdevoker
It has been proven that Jesus Christ once lived and spread his religion throughout the Mid West

The historicity of Jesus Christ is still highly debated, since there are no contemporary records outside the Bible. A number of other messiah stories highly resembling that of Jesus should also raise some questions.

ajwdevoker
Studies show that we as the human race use an average of ten percent of our brains on a daily basis.

Not true. This is, in fact, an urban myth. We use 100% of our brain. click

ajwdevoker
Red Sea Explanation The split of the Red Sea when Jesus Christ put out his hand calling power from God to split the Red Sea in two and allowing safe passage across it has been thoroughly researched by scientists. The main hypothesis on it splitting is called, 'wind setdown'. Wind setdown is when the wind blows strong enough for period of time moving water and causing a decrease in the natural water level. At the time, the wind could have blown long enough to move the water out of the way allowing a path across. The real miracle would be the timing of it happening.


I never understood why some Christians strive to explain the biblical miracles scientifically. Why downplay the miracle? After all, it's supposed to be an all-powerful god.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:32 pm


Jesus is said to have split the Red Sea too?? I thought it was just Moses.
OMG that is so weird!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:36 pm


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I never understood why some Christians strive to explain the biblical miracles scientifically. Why downplay the miracle? After all, it's supposed to be an all-powerful god.


The source that you gave me has two sources:
- George Orwell (in The Collected Essays, Journalism, and Letters of George Orwell, vol. 3, edited by Sonia Orwell and Ian Angus, New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1968, page 6.)
- Uri Geller (in Uri Geller's Mindpower Kit, New York: Penguin Books, 1996.)
The most recent brain research has been in the past ten years.
There have been three nobel prize awards given for research on the brain in the past ten years.


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I never understood why some Christians strive to explain the biblical miracles scientifically. Why downplay the miracle? After all, it's supposed to be an all-powerful god.


Many beliefs have been downplayed in attempt to convert others who are not a blind-fated into their religion.

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Artto

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:08 am


ajwdevoker
The source that you gave me has two sources:
- George Orwell (in The Collected Essays, Journalism, and Letters of George Orwell, vol. 3, edited by Sonia Orwell and Ian Angus, New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1968, page 6.)
- Uri Geller (in Uri Geller's Mindpower Kit, New York: Penguin Books, 1996.)
The most recent brain research has been in the past ten years.
There have been three nobel prize awards given for research on the brain in the past ten years.


Those aren't really "sources", those are just two quotes. (I'd dare not cite Uri Geller as a source, and if you knew who George Orwell was and read the quote, it doesn't have anything to do with the subject, it's just an interesting quote about myths). That page is actually titled "Neuroscience for Kids". I just posted it because it's a simple explanation.

Could you give me a link to such a study? A study that states that we use only 10% of our brain. Because even by my recent knowledge (I've heard it from the somewhat famous neurologist Steven Novella), this is not true.

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Many beliefs have been downplayed in attempt to convert others who are not a blind-fated into their religion.


I still don't see the point. If you're going to claim a miracle, why does it being less of a miracle make it more believable? God causing a wind to blow is no more believable, than god actually parting the Red Sea. Or are you saying god is a bit weaker than we previously thought?

P.S.: I totally missed the Jesus parting the Red Sea. Probably just a mistake.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:52 am


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Could you give me a link to such a study? A study that states that we use only 10% of our brain. Because even by my recent knowledge (I've heard it from the somewhat famous neurologist Steven Novella), this is not true.


I will come back to this tomorrow afternoon (today afternoon technically). I don't have time right now to go research it.

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I still don't see the point. If you're going to claim a miracle, why does it being less of a miracle make it more believable? God causing a wind to blow is no more believable, than god actually parting the Red Sea. Or are you saying god is a bit weaker than we previously thought?


Yes, downplaying miracles is what Christian Science does. Without downplaying it and believing that Jesus Christ really had this power to stick out his hand and push water out the way would seem illogical. From my point of view, God said that all men are equal, so at the time that Jesus Christ lived on Earth, he was equal to us. Then God goes and says that we do not have the knowledge to possess or fully understand god's power but here Jesus Christ is defying the laws of physics again. Downplaying the miracle will allow people who will not simply BELIEVE just because of 'faith' alone and what possibly could have been child tales of Jesus Christ.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:51 am


I am seriously wondering why you keep saying Jesus parted the sea, when the only person I remember who took advantage of the sea parting was Moses.

As for miracles, I don't really believe having a Scientific explanation for them downplays them, because the miracle to me lies in the fact that things happened at the exact time they needed to happen... but to try to initially base a belief from the fact that things could possibly happen seems a bit like missing the point, because in that regard, things just as well could probably not have happened.

People will come to an understanding of Christ through revelation. The point of Jesus coming to Earth was to teach us something important, not to perform miracles. The miracles were for the people of his time to realize that he might actually have something important to say. It was then left to them to pass on his teachings.

If people are hung up on the miraculous parts of the Bible, it seems to me that they are missing the best parts. The teaching of Love, Understanding, Mercy, Grace, Fulfillment; that is what people should be paying attention to. That was what Jesus was trying to get Humanity to learn.

Sure it's cool to try and figure out how God did that. In doing so, many people start to take an attitude of magician vs. audience, with God taking the part of the magician, not the all-powerful Loving God that He is.

I think the real miracle that Christians should strive for in present day would be for all of us to actually focus on the messages that Jesus taught, and actually practice what he taught. That would be better proof of the validity of the Bible than any Scientific proof could ever be. Besides, the Bible isn't a Scientific text, it is a religious text that applies to the Spiritual realms, not the physical.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:51 pm


OK, so Jesus didn't split the sea also? Just Moses?

But the OP said..

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:33 pm


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It has been proven that Jesus Christ once lived and spread his religion throughout the Mid West


The historicity of Jesus Christ is still highly debated, since there are no contemporary records outside the Bible. A number of other messiah stories highly resembling that of Jesus should also raise some questions.


The Bible actually has as much proof as many other historical texts.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:55 pm


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The Bible actually has as much proof as many other historical texts.


Some of the Bible is historically accurate. We know this, because there are other sources where we can verify the accounts. This is not so when it comes to Jesus, or The Exodus for example.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:57 pm


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The Bible actually has as much proof as many other historical texts.


Some of the Bible is historically accurate. We know this, because there are other sources where we can verify the accounts. This is not so when it comes to Jesus, or The Exodus for example.


Actually, there is a short excerpt to the Christ in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews". That being said, there is a high probability that some information was added centuries later by Christian monks translating the antiquities, but they have isolated the offending sentence and it is agreed among the scholarly community that he did reference Jesus. He also referenced John the Baptist, and Pontius Pilate.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:07 pm


Sorry about that. Moses split the sea.
A bit to late at night for me. :/

Also, I still have not realized how the All-loving God He is when he let things like the Holocaust take place.

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Artto

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:48 am


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Actually, there is a short excerpt to the Christ in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews". That being said, there is a high probability that some information was added centuries later by Christian monks translating the antiquities, but they have isolated the offending sentence and it is agreed among the scholarly community that he did reference Jesus. He also referenced John the Baptist, and Pontius Pilate.


By what I've heard of Josephus, the texts are controversial. Also, they are not exactly contemporary, so he could just be paraphrasing the story he heard about Jesus.

Also, we're a bit off-topic razz But I started it smile
PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:57 pm


There is allot of controversy surrounding Josephus, but scholars for the most part agree that he wrote about (paraphrased) Jesus saying that he was a "teacher who did some things that couldn't easily be explained." The whole thing about being the messiah and having risen after being dead three days was later added by monks and that was the controversial part. He didn't believe that Christ was the savior like many people claim he did, he was an aristocratic Jew that was skeptical of everyone.

As for the Loving God thing, in the end that is something you have to determine for yourself. Is it loving to give humanity freewill and then not let them use it? Would it be more loving to have never given freewill to humanity in the first place? I think the first step in determining whether God is a loving God is deciding where you think He should have drawn the line. God isn't the one shooting random people, and the things we consider evil doesn't necessarily mean that God considers it evil. He gave us the ability to work for the greater good or the greater bad, and honestly, I appreciate the ability to make the decision for myself, so I believe with all my heart that He loves us.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:18 pm


Artto
ajwdevoker
It has been proven that Jesus Christ once lived and spread his religion throughout the Mid West

The historicity of Jesus Christ is still highly debated, since there are no contemporary records outside the Bible. A number of other messiah stories highly resembling that of Jesus should also raise some questions.


Just to cover basis because in this entire conversation I'm hung up on that one point, we aren't speaking of the American Mid West are we?
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