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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:52 pm
i have no religion not even atheism mainly because i see no evidence of that some sourduv god exists if someone can prove to me that a god exists i will be happy
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:04 pm
Um, atheism is the belief that no god exists.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:05 pm
Atheism isn't a religion. It only means that you don't believe in God. It has nothing to do with spirituality or philosophy or an afterlife. Just that there's no God. As for whether or not one exists, I don't believe in God so I can't really give you reasons why one would exist.
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:29 pm
You are probably "agnostic" which means you don't know whether God/gods exist but you are open to the idea. An agnostic doesn't worship anything or belong to a religion, but they don't think that God/gods are 100% fake... they are happy being fence sitters and not knowing because there's not enough satisfying evidence either way. emo
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:06 pm
How can you have no religion and not be atheistic? You might be agnostic, but even agnostics generally have some theory of how this all came to be.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:11 am
renovate You are probably "agnostic" which means you don't know whether God/gods exist but you are open to the idea. An agnostic doesn't worship anything or belong to a religion, but they don't think that God/gods are 100% fake... they are happy being fence sitters and not knowing because there's not enough satisfying evidence either way. emo.gif This has somehow gotten to be the popular definition of agnosticism. It has some problems with it. How can you assume, that as long as there is no evidence for something not existing, that the chances are 50-50?! Then there would be a 50-50 chance of existence for almost anything you can think of! The problem here is, where the burden of proof lies - it lies on the claimer. You have to demonstrate the existence of something, not the non-existence of it. Further more, most atheists ( who are atheist for good reasons, we'll leave out the teenage rebel atheist ) are not closed to the idea of god - in the case of sufficient evidence being provided, I'll happily believe it - but for now, there hasn't been any. Again: Agnostic - KNOWLEDGE Atheist - BELIEF I don't KNOW if god exists but I don't BELIEVE he does -> agnostic atheist. Is that so hard to get, people?
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:06 am
"it lies on the claimer" And how is it with those who claim that God does NOT exist? Don't they have the same burden of proof?
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:57 am
Tiina Brown "it lies on the claimer" And how is it with those who claim that God does NOT exist? Don't they have the same burden of proof? Most atheists don't claim that god does not exit. They say they don't believe he does. Because we haven't seen sufficient evidence to believe the claim that god exists. For all practical purposes, I could say god doesn't exist - but that doesn't mean I know that. Now, that doesn't make the position that god does exist an equally valid position (unless you have good reasons to believe, i.e. evidence). That is because if you accept something as true based on faith, you're accepting it without evidence - we're not accepting it without evidence. Which is, and I hope you agree, a more rational position to take.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:06 pm
The great Rabbi Moshe Maimonides once wrote that G-d's existence can never be proven. So, if you're looking for proof, you're never going to get it. Believe in G-d on faith alone, or don't believe in Him at all, if it suits you, but don't ask for proof.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:40 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew The great Rabbi Moshe Maimonides once wrote that G-d's existence can never be proven. So, if you're looking for proof, you're never going to get it. Believe in G-d on faith alone, or don't believe in Him at all, if it suits you, but don't ask for proof. I don't ask for proof, I ask for evidence.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:33 pm
Tiina Brown "it lies on the claimer" And how is it with those who claim that God does NOT exist? Don't they have the same burden of proof? A smart atheist doesn't make the declarative assumption that God does not exist, because they don't have the evidence, and negative proof is a logical fallacy. But the burden of proof is much greater on the person making the more extraordinary claim (i.e, the theist) as it involves concepts beyond the knowing logical and scientific world. If I tell you that I have an apple in my hand and you're skeptical about that, It's my position to prove my apple to you and not you prove i don't have an apple.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:31 pm
Here's a simple way of putting things:
A theist believes in the existence of a god or gods and claims they exist. Often times theists belong to a relgion, but not always. Someone who simply says that they believe in god (even if they are not religious) fits into this category.
An atheist does not believe in the existence of a god or gods and claims they do not exist.
An agnostic does not claim knowledge of whether or not a god or gods exist, though generally they believe that there is a high likelyhood of a god or gods existing, or not. Some go back and forth between the two and many eventually become theists or atheists and sometimes vice versa. It sometimes is done out of indecision, but not always.
- An agnostic theist does not claim to know whether a god(s) does or does not exist, but believes they likely do. (Many times a nonreligious theist and an agnostic theist are confused about what they are and claim to have a certain religion [e.g. in America often they say they are a Christian] because of their confusion and/or lack of knowlege).
- An agnostic atheist does not claim to know whether a god(s) does or does not exist, but believes they likely don't. (Many times an atheist and an agnostic atheist are confused about what they are or think being one is "better" than the other. [For example, some of the stupid atheists say they are agnostic because it's "better" and some of the stupid agnostic atheists say they are atheists because it's "cooler"]).
I am an agnostic atheist. I do not know whether or not a god or gods exist, but I doubt they do.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:35 pm
renovate You are probably "agnostic" which means you don't know whether God/gods exist but you are open to the idea. An agnostic doesn't worship anything or belong to a religion, but they don't think that God/gods are 100% fake... they are happy being fence sitters and not knowing because there's not enough satisfying evidence either way. emo That's a rare type of agnostic, actually. Most agnostics are agnostic theists or agnostic atheists. Granted an agnostic can go back and forth on the spectrum of agnosticism, but for the most part they pick a stance of not claiming knowledge of whether or not a god or gods exist yet believing there likely is or is not a god or gods that exist.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:38 pm
Saiuu How can you have no religion and not be atheistic? You might be agnostic, but even agnostics generally have some theory of how this all came to be. It's very possible to not be religious yet not be an atheist. It's called being a nonrelgious theist, an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:44 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew The great Rabbi Moshe Maimonides once wrote that G-d's existence can never be proven. So, if you're looking for proof, you're never going to get it. Believe in G-d on faith alone, or don't believe in Him at all, if it suits you, but don't ask for proof. If "God"s existence can never be proven, than why call "Him" "God"? It defeats the whole purpose. Believing with blind faith? That's called ignorance and stupidity and laziness. The whole point of believing in "God" is the fact that the person believes that "He" is real, and if something is real, it can be proven. To say that a person believes in "God" yet "His" existence can never be proven means that "He" is not real.
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