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 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:13 pm
We all have faith in something, I literally walk in it because I cannot prove induction, but why should anyone praise faith?? Faith is sold to people by people who can't justify their product, if they could it would be called reason and that is truly praiseworthy.
To have faith in reason is only a start and the 'faith' part is not what is admirable, it is when you overcome faith that you have done something. Anyone can say you need faith to believe in any cause they want to put on you. For those who hold to faith as a goal: I would ask why not have faith in some other religion? Their answer would be their REASON and conviction of reason over faith. I hope to find a reason for induction, so I no longer have to walk in faith that world will hold me up.
What do you have Faith in?
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:16 pm
Shouldn't we have faith in our experiences to prevent an existential breakdown?
I have faith in Life, as well as Love. And of course, my experiences.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:35 pm
Hmm...how should I put this...
So, are you like inbetween the big bang/evolution thing and religion?
Because what the scientists have described is also not reason, and also not proven.
No tornado can come in a junkyard and assemble a Boeing (analogy to evolution). Something cannot be made without nothing or a source.
Also, I do not like the word religion. I believe in Jesus though. I guess that makes me a christian but I still don't like the word religion. Just something the world calls.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:42 pm
Orrun Hmm...how should I put this... So, are you like inbetween the big bang/evolution thing and religion? Because what the scientists have described is also not reason, and also not proven. No tornado can come in a junkyard and assemble a Boeing (analogy to evolution). Something cannot be made without nothing or a source. Also, I do not like the word religion. I believe in Jesus though. I guess that makes me a christian but I still don't like the word religion. Just something the world calls.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:24 pm
Orrun Hmm...how should I put this... So, are you like inbetween the big bang/evolution thing and religion? Because what the scientists have described is also not reason, and also not proven. No tornado can come in a junkyard and assemble a Boeing (analogy to evolution). Something cannot be made without nothing or a source. Also, I do not like the word religion. I believe in Jesus though. I guess that makes me a christian but I still don't like the word religion. Just something the world calls. Other than the final part of your reply, what does any thing else have to do with anything I said? My beliefs are irrelevant as I'm the one striking the question. I just want to see what Faith means to everyone and what they put it on. Faith... it really doesn't exist in the long term. Eventually, whether you know it or not, your Faith will boil down to your REASON for believing, making the Faith aspect disappear. Either that or you'll succumb to Pride, which is you can think, stems from Faith with ease. I know that sounded harsh, but it wasn't supposed to. My beliefs are indeed irrelevant, but I'm an asatru. If you have to ask, Google it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:42 pm
I envy people who have faith. I wish so bad that I could believe in something besides science and facts. It would make life a lot easier to bear.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:30 pm
Vanilla eXee I envy people who have faith. I wish so bad that I could believe in something besides science and facts. It would make life a lot easier to bear.
Don't you put your faith in science in facts, though?
how do you know that what you perceive is real otherwise?
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:11 pm
Because, even facts are really just theories. So to put 100% faith in them would be stupid, since knowledge is always changing.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:46 pm
What I meant was, is that you said you had no faith. But you also said you believe in science and facts, the fact that you believe science and facts means you actually do have faith to some extent.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:36 am
Naynram Ukir What I meant was, is that you said you had no faith. But you also said you believe in science and facts, the fact that you believe science and facts means you actually do have faith to some extent. Her REASON is what makes her believe in Science and Facts, not Faith. Faith is something we put blindly into things we don't understand. Reason is what we can feel, know, etc. Religion comes with Faith because we can't prove or disprove it. In this case Faith becomes Hope. Science we can and have proven, so if you want to call it Faith.. it becomes Reason. I know what you're trying to say.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:26 am
Carcass Of The Saint Naynram Ukir What I meant was, is that you said you had no faith. But you also said you believe in science and facts, the fact that you believe science and facts means you actually do have faith to some extent. Her REASON is what makes her believe in Science and Facts, not Faith. Faith is something we put blindly into things we don't understand. Reason is what we can feel, know, etc. Religion comes with Faith because we can't prove or disprove it. In this case Faith becomes Hope. Science we can and have proven, so if you want to call it Faith.. it becomes Reason. I know what you're trying to say.
Science only proves what we can perceive using the tools we have. It is by no means an indicator of what is or is not. By human reasoning, that is an acceptable answer, but in order to believe things by reason, you have to have faith in the thing called reason. Faith that science is not lying to you, or that the facts are "real". That reality is "real".
I'm not saying that it isn't, because I believe reality is what an individual perceives, but that you have to have faith in what you perceive in order to not have an existential break down as a human and go into something pointless such as nihilism.
Not all faith is blind. Just ignorant faiths.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:15 pm
Naynram Ukir Carcass Of The Saint Naynram Ukir What I meant was, is that you said you had no faith. But you also said you believe in science and facts, the fact that you believe science and facts means you actually do have faith to some extent. Her REASON is what makes her believe in Science and Facts, not Faith. Faith is something we put blindly into things we don't understand. Reason is what we can feel, know, etc. Religion comes with Faith because we can't prove or disprove it. In this case Faith becomes Hope. Science we can and have proven, so if you want to call it Faith.. it becomes Reason. I know what you're trying to say.
Not all faith is blind. Just ignorant faiths.
This is what I want. How do we weed out the ignorance?
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:37 pm
Carcass Of The Saint Naynram Ukir Carcass Of The Saint Naynram Ukir What I meant was, is that you said you had no faith. But you also said you believe in science and facts, the fact that you believe science and facts means you actually do have faith to some extent. Her REASON is what makes her believe in Science and Facts, not Faith. Faith is something we put blindly into things we don't understand. Reason is what we can feel, know, etc. Religion comes with Faith because we can't prove or disprove it. In this case Faith becomes Hope. Science we can and have proven, so if you want to call it Faith.. it becomes Reason. I know what you're trying to say.
Not all faith is blind. Just ignorant faiths.
This is what I want. How do we weed out the ignorance? By examining our reality, asking questions, and studying Philosophy I think. And not allowing others to choose our reality and beliefs for us, based on what we know to a personal account, since all things revolve around the "self" that's examining its own reality. It's a way of making sense out of the collective unconscious, where there are a thousand voices speaking at once inside of us, where we have to see and examine which is right for us.
True truth comes from within our self, not something outside of us.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:19 pm
That's precisely it. Would you consider Philosophy a tool for Science?..... Or Science a tool for Philosophy?
Truth is always a personal evaluation of our situations, surroundings, moments, and knowledge that we take into effect based on what we think. Putting Faith behind this evaluation gives us Reason to accept what we consider Truth.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:56 pm
Carcass Of The Saint That's precisely it. Would you consider Philosophy a tool for Science?..... Or Science a tool for Philosophy? Truth is always a personal evaluation of our situations, surroundings, moments, and knowledge that we take into effect based on what we think. Putting Faith behind this evaluation gives us Reason to accept what we consider Truth. Science is just observations of the physical world around us.
Philosophy is the observations of the internal, or non physical world around us.
Philosophy and science are two separate tools, separate from one another.
Both take some kind of faith in mind to believe in either.
Exactly, so if you ever want truth or reason, you always have to put a little bit of faith behind your perceptions that lead to those. That's what I'm saying. 3nodding
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