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 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:33 pm
Sidenote before I begin: I'm not posting this regarding my situation at all; just making an observation, so please don't make any comments about me and/or my situation, okay? smile
In Rape Aggression Defense we were taught that, so long as a girl says "no," it's rape, and in no way her fault. That's what I believe.
But some people are like "Oh well she chose to go out, she chose to dress that way, she CHOSE etc."
IMO that's like saying any girl that goes out and gets raped ever, it's her fault. Because there's ALWAYS a chance of going out and getting raped; just sayin'. So basically according to these people, a girl should NEVER go out and NEVER dress in anything revealing, otherwise she might get raped and it would be her fault. neutral
The only time I think it's not rape is in the event where the girl is drunk and willingly has sex with the guy, but then later regrets it. Apparently that's considered rape, but that's ******** DUMB to me. She didn't say no until after the fact. That's just unfair.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:53 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:28 pm
rofl
YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:07 pm
The girls who have sex with people and call rape later really deserve the worst punishment possible.
But yeah. I'm kind of under the same thing you said. Nobody asks to be raped with how they're dressed or whatnot.
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:38 pm
what if you're drugged and say yes?
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:40 pm
Addykat The girls who have sex with people and call rape later really deserve the worst punishment possible. But yeah. I'm kind of under the same thing you said. Nobody asks to be raped with how they're dressed or whatnot. Pretty much this. Although I will make the comment that no matter if you're a guy or girl, if someone's going out and getting drunk around strangers, it really shouldn't come as a surprise when shitty things happen to them.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:20 am
Alexandrasaurus what if you're drugged and say yes? I don't know where you live, but I know for a fact that in the state of California, it's still considered rape because consent was given while the victim was intoxicated or otherwise incapacitated. It's not the victim's fault.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:33 am
Addykat The girls who have sex with people and call rape later really deserve the worst punishment possible. This. They end up ruining someone else's life just because they regret a single night of sex that was their choice. As for intoxicated/drugged, I call bullshit. People make bad decisions while drunk or high, that's a pretty widely known fact and if you can't stop yourself from ******** everything in sight while under the influence either deal with that or just don't drink or do drugs in a place full of people that are potentially ******** someone ELSE slips the chick drugs without her knowing or something then yeah, that's rape, she never had a chance to decide for herself if she wanted to get ******** up.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:10 am
Quote: NOW If someone ELSE slips the chick drugs without her knowing or something then yeah, that's rape, she never had a chance to decide for herself if she wanted to get ******** up. I think that's the scenario blalex is talking about. The victim is never at fault, simple as.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:29 am
Addykat The girls who have sex with people and call rape later really deserve the worst punishment possible. So. Much. Hate.
Even if the guy is proven innocent, it follows him forever, and people will ALWAYS doubt the verdict and wonder if he escaped punishment or think he get away with something and hate him.
It's so unfair.
Every woman who does this ruins justice for actual victims and just ruins lives all across the board. Like those little bitches that tried to accuse a cabbie of raping them and he was like NO I DIDN'T HERE'S VIDEO OF THEIR CAB RIDE TO PROVE IT.
I cannot even describe the amount of anger I felt on that guy's behalf. I am so glad he had that video. His life would have been ruined.
As for Blaxex's question, drugged...not sure, I don't know just how mentally debilitating some date rape drugs can be but drunk I call bullshit. I've have been so ******** drunk that I couldn't speak english still had the cognizance to know that no one was to touch me. Actually, when I get that drunk, it's pretty much the one of the three things burned in my head.
1. Hold purse close.
2. Don't let anyone touch me. Yell 'no.'
3. I need water.
So saying 'yes' while drunk then going 'oops oops I was drunk I meant no sue sue sue sue sue' is bullshit.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:13 pm
I don't know, three Saturdays ago kind of changed a lot of my perspective on this. I was really drunk at a party, and apparently I kissed a guy, which is nothing in of itself, but he ended up basically dragging me to my dorm and tearing off my clothes and making with sexy time. According to his story, I was into it, but I don't remember, and I definitely don't feel like it after. Apparently I stopped him and called my friend Dan to come get me because "oh my god Dan, I'm so drunk and this environment is so rapey."
Anyway, I considered the event a sexual assault. I definitely recall feeling violated. Just because somebody acts one way when they're drunk, doesn't mean we all do, or even should have to. It should be somebody's responsibility to not sexually assault people, not for people to be blamed for not "defending themselves" probably, whatever that is even supposed to mean.
tl;dr
I don't think any crime is ever the victim's fault, so why would rape be any different?
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:27 pm
If someone is drunk or drugged or in any other way in a state where they are not 100% in control of the situation and themselves, other people DON'T have the right to take advance of it. NOT EVER.
I was at this outdoor event where there was teens drinking and old men (30 and up) predatoring on them, waiting for them to pass out, and I had to leave the area because the whole sight made me want to throw up and cry. I don't understand how people can do something like that. People who do that should be castrated with dull spoons without any pain relief.
Rape is never the fault of the victim, but when it comes to sex, you always have to be sure that it's what you want, since it's more than just the hydraulics. There are real people with emotions involved.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:25 pm
Sini X If someone is drunk or drugged or in any other way in a state where they are not 100% in control of the situation and themselves, other people DON'T have the right to take advance of it. NOT EVER.
I was at this outdoor event where there was teens drinking and old men (30 and up) predatoring on them, waiting for them to pass out, and I had to leave the area because the whole sight made me want to throw up and cry. I don't understand how people can do something like that. People who do that should be castrated with dull spoons without any pain relief.
Rape is never the fault of the victim, but when it comes to sex, you always have to be sure that it's what you want, since it's more than just the hydraulics. There are real people with emotions involved. You're just as bad/responsible as the men if you left and didn't call the police.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:18 pm
unfathomable I don't know, three Saturdays ago kind of changed a lot of my perspective on this. I was really drunk at a party, and apparently I kissed a guy, which is nothing in of itself, but he ended up basically dragging me to my dorm and tearing off my clothes and making with sexy time. According to his story, I was into it, but I don't remember, and I definitely don't feel like it after. Apparently I stopped him and called my friend Dan to come get me because "oh my god Dan, I'm so drunk and this environment is so rapey." Anyway, I considered the event a sexual assault. I definitely recall feeling violated. Just because somebody acts one way when they're drunk, doesn't mean we all do, or even should have to. It should be somebody's responsibility to not sexually assault people, not for people to be blamed for not "defending themselves" probably, whatever that is even supposed to mean. tl;dr I don't think any crime is ever the victim's fault, so why would rape be any different? That's kind of begging the question as to whether or not there is a victim. Typically, someone isn't a victim until it's proven a crime occurred. If someone chooses to drink, then their actions that take place afterward are their responsibility. You wouldn't justify drunk driving by arguing the person's friends pressured them into it. It may not be the fault of the victim if someone else made them drive, but it's their responsibility. I don't think it's ever the girl's fault. Unless it's something very ambiguous like she verbally says no but continues to fool around with a person and eventually "gives in" to sex. I think most would agree that if the girl didn't get out of there and just "gave in," then deciding afterwards that it was unwanted doesn't make the sex rape. Just sex you regret.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:23 pm
Streetlight Fights Sini X If someone is drunk or drugged or in any other way in a state where they are not 100% in control of the situation and themselves, other people DON'T have the right to take advance of it. NOT EVER.
I was at this outdoor event where there was teens drinking and old men (30 and up) predatoring on them, waiting for them to pass out, and I had to leave the area because the whole sight made me want to throw up and cry. I don't understand how people can do something like that. People who do that should be castrated with dull spoons without any pain relief.
Rape is never the fault of the victim, but when it comes to sex, you always have to be sure that it's what you want, since it's more than just the hydraulics. There are real people with emotions involved. You're just as bad/responsible as the men if you left and didn't call the police.
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