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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:20 pm


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An 11-year-old girl in Mexico allegedly raped by her stepfather and now more than four months pregnant says she wants to have his baby – despite pressure from women’s groups who want her to have an abortion, pro-life activists in the country say.

They say attorneys for abortion-rights activists have shown up at the girl's home with plane tickets in hand in an attempt to whisk her away to get an abortion, but the child has said adamantly, “This is my baby. I’m having my baby. I will call my girl Alejandra.”

The mother-to-be, from the Mexican state of Quintana Roo, has become the poster child for abortion rights in a country where laws pertaining to the procedure vary dramatically from state to state.

In 2007, Mexico City passed a law allowing abortions to be performed without restrictions in the first three months of pregnancy. The law was challenged, but it was upheld on appeal. Since then, 17 of Mexico’s 32 states have added an amendment to their constitutions that protects "life beginning at conception," makes abortion illegal and, in some cases, a crime equivalent to homicide.

Quintana Roo, the Yucatan state that is home to the popular resort destination Cancun, has a similar amendment. Abortion is allowed there only in cases of rape and when the mother’s life is at risk, and only within the first 90 days of pregnancy.


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Last month, when the then-10-year-old girl’s mother told police that her daughter had been raped by the girl's stepfather, she told authorities that she thought her daughter was 14 weeks pregnant, or 98 days, which was beyond the state’s 90-day limit. But women’s rights groups said that because it was unclear exactly how far along the girl was in her pregnancy, an argument could be made that she was still within the 90-day limit.

Conservative groups say that's when abortion-rights activists latched onto the girl, who is now nearing her 19th week of pregnancy, and turned her into the face of their international campaign to legalize abortion.

Women’s rights groups maintain that the girl is small even for an 11-year-old and that forcing her to give birth puts her life in danger. They say she is being pressured to have the child and was never informed of all her options.

But others say that’s not true.

Patricia Lopez Mancera, director of the conservative Center for Women’s Studies and Comprehensive Formation in Cancun, says she has been in constant communication with the girl’s mother and the child welfare services institution where the girl currently lives.

Recounting the mother’s story of her daughter’s pregnancy and the girl's decision to have the baby, she said, “Abortion was never an option. The girl and her mother never thought about it.”

Mancera said the girl's family wasn't concerned when she missed her period in November, because she commonly had irregular periods. But in December, when the girl started vomiting in the mornings and frequently felt dizzy, her mother took her to the doctor and found out she was pregnant.

The mother had a nervous breakdown and demanded her daughter tell her what happened, Mancera said. Finally, the girl said her stepfather had raped her. The mother flew into a fit of rage and went directly to the police to the report the rape, and the stepfather was arrested. He remains in jail.

(Mancera says the mother still doubts whether her husband is the unborn child’s father — something that will be sorted out when DNA testing is done after the baby’s birth.)

The girl has been temporarily placed in a child services housing facility where counselors met with the girl and her mother to discuss their options, Mancera said.

She said they were asked of their plans and the girl immediately said, “We’re going to have a baby.”

The mother said she was planning on registering the child as her own, then turned to the girl and said, “It’s going to be like a little brother.”

The girl responded, “But it’s going to be my baby anyway.”

Mancera said the director of the state facility told both mother and daughter that they had a list of 67 couples who wanted a child and that giving up the baby for adoption would be a wonderful thing to do.

Again, the girl said, “No, no, no, we’re having it.”

Mancera said abortion was never even considered, but they soon fell under the pressure of women’s rights groups that showed up at the girl's home to talk to her mother about abortion.

But Maria Luisa Sanchez Fuentes, director of the Information Group on Reproductive Choice, says her organization and others just wanted to inform the girl and her mother of their choices, and that they would never want to force anyone to have an abortion against her will.

She said the family was very poor, was being taken advantage of by the state government and was too scared to make a decision other than the one proposed by the government: to have the baby.

But Mancera said the decision was made by the girl and her mother, not anyone else.

“She is very much into motherhood,” Mancera said of the girl.

She said the girl and her baby are doing well in the government’s care. The girl was taken for an ultrasound last week and was able to see the fetus and learn its sex for the first time. She said the 11-year-old was very excited to see the image of her baby girl moving during the ultrasound.

“When the girl looks at the baby on the screen she is even more sure she wants to have it,” Mancera said. “The mother said,“That’s my grandchild, we are going to have this baby.”

The girl said she’d picked out a name for a baby, a name she wishes were her own. “Her name is Alejandra,” she told doctors, Mancera said.

One of the main health concerns has been malnutrition, and the focus has been on providing the girl with lots of vegetables, vitamins and folic acid, she said.

The girl's doctors say she and her baby are in good health, Mancera said, but that because of the girl’s small size she’s going to need constant medical attention when she reaches her seventh month. Because of her size, the doctors will perform a cesarean section.


In my opinion,
The girl is only 11 years old. It's foolish of her to have the baby,
And she's so young, she may think that having a baby will be glamorous and cute. Like having a baby sibling, but it's harder than that, and she'll stress herself out if she's only having the baby for the wrong reasons.
And from what I hear, her family doesn't seem too rich. She'll have to pay a fortune on baby food, and I doubt that she'll find that kind of support from any organization in Mexico.
I mean, what, with all the people telling her to abort, or adopt it out, who knows? She's gotten the information she needs about abortion and adoption... yet she still chooses to keep the baby.

In that case, she's telling the organizations that she's completely capable of having a baby, and she doesn't need any support.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:17 pm


I do agree that it may not be the best decision. The girl could die due to carrying a baby. The baby could die, too.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:20 pm


Oh right!
I didn't even think of that,
But that's much worse than having her stressed out about everything. D:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:18 pm


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I do agree that it may not be the best decision. The girl could die due to carrying a baby. The baby could die, too.
well their was a girl i think she was 10 who was raped and had a baby and lived. and she might feel gilty if she killed her little girl, shes goin 2 have help.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:07 pm


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I do agree that it may not be the best decision. The girl could die due to carrying a baby. The baby could die, too.
well their was a girl i think she was 10 who was raped and had a baby and lived. and she might feel gilty if she killed her little girl, shes goin 2 have help.


I know how that might be,
But it's the financial situation that makes her having the baby not a good idea.
The article also states she's having a cesarean section. So her body is so little she can't even handle giving birth vaginally.

I was raped and became pregnant when I was 14, but I had the financial aid (which isn't that much helpful. Dx) to keep my daughter and raise her with my mom. I also gave birth vaginally, my body wasn't too small.

From what I read, she doesn't seem to be having a lot of support. And she's 10. That's a big difference from a 14 year old.

I'm not saying she should've aborted or anything.
But maybe adoption would be her best bet.
She's 10. She won't be able to live her life and make her own decisions for herself until she's about 30ish.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:57 pm


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ChildoftheMoon14
I do agree that it may not be the best decision. The girl could die due to carrying a baby. The baby could die, too.
well their was a girl i think she was 10 who was raped and had a baby and lived. and she might feel gilty if she killed her little girl, shes goin 2 have help.

Yes. There's a woman who started a thread in this guild who was raped when she was 10 and got pregnant. She had the baby and survived. But that was one person, though. Everybody's different. It may not work out for others.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:32 pm


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ChildoftheMoon14
I do agree that it may not be the best decision. The girl could die due to carrying a baby. The baby could die, too.
well their was a girl i think she was 10 who was raped and had a baby and lived. and she might feel gilty if she killed her little girl, shes goin 2 have help.


I know how that might be,
But it's the financial situation that makes her having the baby not a good idea.
The article also states she's having a cesarean section. So her body is so little she can't even handle giving birth vaginally.

I was raped and became pregnant when I was 14, but I had the financial aid (which isn't that much helpful. Dx) to keep my daughter and raise her with my mom. I also gave birth vaginally, my body wasn't too small.

From what I read, she doesn't seem to be having a lot of support. And she's 10. That's a big difference from a 14 year old.

I'm not saying she should've aborted or anything.
But maybe adoption would be her best bet.
She's 10. She won't be able to live her life and make her own decisions for herself until she's about 30ish.

At any rate, she needs help.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:31 pm


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At any rate, she needs help.


She'll need more than help,
But she's just so little.

I know I probably sound like a hypocrite for keeping my daughter at a young age...

But had an 11 year old came up to me and said she's pregnant. I'd tell her to abort. No hesitation, regardless of how she conceived.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:12 pm


Foolish decision, is all i can say.
If she lives through the birthing of the baby. She'll regret it.

She'll be scar'd and she will have emotion/physical/and financial problems.

When it does happen. All i can do is laugh is because she may be young, but from what this. She has no common sense about birth.
I don't care if you think i'm cruel about this but this is what i think.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:23 pm


The True Prince

When it does happen. All i can do is laugh is because she may be young, but from what this. She has no common sense about birth.
I don't care if you think i'm cruel about this but this is what i think.


I completely agree with you.
However, I think laughing about it is a bit too much.

I didn't quite understand your reason behind what you say...
But in this day and age, who the hell needs reason to say anything?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:32 pm


R a a w i y a
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When it does happen. All i can do is laugh is because she may be young, but from what this. She has no common sense about birth.
I don't care if you think i'm cruel about this but this is what i think.


I completely agree with you.
However, I think laughing about it is a bit too much.

I didn't quite understand your reason behind what you say...
But in this day and age, who the hell needs reason to say anything?
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Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word.

And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin.

My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't.
He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail.

I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:39 pm


The True Prince

Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word.

And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin.

My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't.
He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail.

I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.


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I don't know whether or not if I should be offended.

Rape isn't always forced.
And some people may not have to guts to do an abortion.

I'l admit, I didn't.
And I feel that I'm sadly, keeping my daughter for all the wrong reasons.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:51 pm


R a a w i y a
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Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word.

And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin.

My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't.
He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail.

I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.


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I don't know whether or not if I should be offended.

Rape isn't always forced.
And some people may not have to guts to do an abortion.

I'l admit, I didn't.
And I feel that I'm sadly, keeping my daughter for all the wrong reasons.

Rape is forced sex. It is where one person is forcing them to have sex, by either drugging, threatening, or beating.

And the abortion, i bet they will feel embarrassed about the abortion. But like stage-fright, you'll have to get over it.

And about you, i'm not sure. How old were you when you had the baby exactly?

And keeping the baby. Ask your self if you think you can care for that child, so that she has food, clothes, and when old enough, and education.

If you can, then ask your self. Do you want to raise this child?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:31 pm


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R a a w i y a
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Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word.

And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin.

My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't.
He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail.

I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.


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I don't know whether or not if I should be offended.

Rape isn't always forced.
And some people may not have to guts to do an abortion.

I'l admit, I didn't.
And I feel that I'm sadly, keeping my daughter for all the wrong reasons.

Rape is forced sex. It is where one person is forcing them to have sex, by either drugging, threatening, or beating.

And the abortion, i bet they will feel embarrassed about the abortion. But like stage-fright, you'll have to get over it.

And about you, i'm not sure. How old were you when you had the baby exactly?

And keeping the baby. Ask your self if you think you can care for that child, so that she has food, clothes, and when old enough, and education.

If you can, then ask your self. Do you want to raise this child?

Date rape oftentimes doesn't involve drugging, or beatings...
Rape can be as simple as:
"Let's have sex."
"No."
"Please...?"
*Feeling Sorry* "Okay..."

Rape can be as simple as a girl having sex with someone though she really didn't want to because she was guilted into, or tricked into.

I was 14 when I was raped and became pregnant, but I was 15 when I gave birth.

Those are the reasons as to why I think it's foolish of this girl to keep her baby.
I doubt she can afford it, and due to all of the drama that she caused with the abortionists and pro-adoption folks, I doubt she'll get any support from any organization.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:57 pm


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R a a w i y a
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Hm.... Having pity for her would be nicer word.

And the reason why i say this is because when i hear Rape. I think of my sister and cousin.

My sister spent the night with my cousin and my cousin's mom put them with some man while they were gone. He tried raping them but he couldn't.
He was put away and my Uncle was friends with a police man and made sure that he was beaten in Jail.

I hate the man and when i think of someone raped and KEEPING the baby. I think of it of as stupid, and i laugh at their stupidity.


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I don't know whether or not if I should be offended.

Rape isn't always forced.
And some people may not have to guts to do an abortion.

I'l admit, I didn't.
And I feel that I'm sadly, keeping my daughter for all the wrong reasons.

Rape is forced sex. It is where one person is forcing them to have sex, by either drugging, threatening, or beating.

And the abortion, i bet they will feel embarrassed about the abortion. But like stage-fright, you'll have to get over it.

And about you, i'm not sure. How old were you when you had the baby exactly?

And keeping the baby. Ask your self if you think you can care for that child, so that she has food, clothes, and when old enough, and education.

If you can, then ask your self. Do you want to raise this child?

Date rape oftentimes doesn't involve drugging, or beatings...
Rape can be as simple as:
"Let's have sex."
"No."
"Please...?"
*Feeling Sorry* "Okay..."

Rape can be as simple as a girl having sex with someone though she really didn't want to because she was guilted into, or tricked into.

I was 14 when I was raped and became pregnant, but I was 15 when I gave birth.

Those are the reasons as to why I think it's foolish of this girl to keep her baby.
I doubt she can afford it, and due to all of the drama that she caused with the abortionists and pro-adoption folks, I doubt she'll get any support from any organization.

Hm.... Ok then.

Agreed, i doubt she will get help.
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