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Hoshioni

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:59 pm


http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/25/eggs.pasteurized.processed/

http://www.naturalnews.com/029539_salmonella_eggs.html

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/tainted-eggs-being-reused-in-food-products/6hzgn5f
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:00 pm


What part of this actually makes you angry? That they're not putting the eggs to waste? That they're killing the salmonella bacteria?

What smells bad?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:04 pm


[Kegan]
What part of this actually makes you angry? That they're not putting the eggs to waste? That they're killing the salmonella bacteria?

What smells bad?


DEAD FOOD POISONED FOOD its a scam >,<

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:07 pm


Okay.

But people did get sick, right? If those eggs were thrown away I think anger would be an appropriate reaction.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:48 pm


[Kegan]
Okay.

But people did get sick, right? If those eggs were thrown away I think anger would be an appropriate reaction.



NO NONONONONONONO


YOU MISSED IT

they takeing the eggs removing the shells taking gamma baked eggs. and now they want to pasterurise it *boil* it. killing all nutritional value its dead food, and poisoned foods
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:01 pm


How so? Explain to me how it's poisoned?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:13 am


[Kegan]
How so? Explain to me how it's poisoned?



im going to just quit talking to you cause clearly u dont look at the info, the eggsd are contaimated, they boil tese eggs then use them as filler products for goods they dont have the dencentcy to tell the public. this makes me sick
PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:56 am


Once they're pasteurized, they're sterile.

So they're de-contaminated, in other words.

What else would you suggest they do with them?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:43 am


Even if an egg is absolutely and undeniably contaminated with salmonella bacteria, you can safely eat it by cooking the egg thoroughly.

If you view all the comments on your second link you'll actually see one I made the day he posted that.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:45 pm


[Kegan]
Once they're pasteurized, they're sterile.

So they're de-contaminated, in other words.

What else would you suggest they do with them?


throw them away not set the president to pasterise the eggs, cooking kills nutrition and processed eggs already get cooked

so it becomes hallow no nutrition food once its done

(and appeently not if soo many people got sick off there eggs that over a million eggs get recalled)

if they mzake it standard to pastureise all eggs over this scare ill be pissed, the companys have pused for this for almost a year it will not make it....nutrition in food isw dieing

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:51 pm


FYI: most people cook their eggs anyway.

Throwing away those eggs would sorta be like a travesty to some people.

What exactly is lost in the pasteurization process. You seem to pick up ideas, but not actually any backing logic. I'm pretty sure that at the low temp of pasteurization not even the B-complex vitamins are denatured, and a lot of those are temperature sensitive.

You decided long before you read this, in your subconscious mind, that you were going to get angry. You're just looking for articles and words to rationalize a pre-fabricated meaningless rancor.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:45 pm


This is one of those times when I really think the natural food proponents are acting like lunatics and hurting the reputation of sane people like those in this guild. I am in favor of raw organic food of course whenever possible, but articles like that of NaturalNews saying things like
Quote:
However, in typical FDA fashion, the agency has decided to ignore the actual cause of illness and contamination -- filthy, industrialized food production systems -- and instead call for all eggs to be cooked before being sold to consumers.

makes them look like complete wackos.

Chickens, no matter how nicely you treat them, still poop out eggs. Some chickens actually carry salmonella in their ovaries but that's very rare. Most of the time it comes from feces just like e.coli. Eggs are covered in feces when they arrive on Earth because chickens don't have separate vaginal and urethral openings, they just have a cloaca. It's another fact that more e. coli comes from organic produce because it's contaminated by the natural fertilizer and people don't wash thoroughly enough.

Whether you agree or disagree with factory "farming" you must acknowledge that a factory producing eggs wants them to be safe without a doubt for human consumption. People like me will take our chances and buy local eggs from small farms and organic produce but doing so means we risk getting sick. That's a risk you have to know about going in.

I understand the basis behind a lot of conspiracy theories but to say that the government wanting to pasteurize eggs is one just doesn't make sense to me.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:58 pm


Hoshioni


if everone responds likke you i QUIT this guild


I do hope you don't decide to quit. It's debates like these that help keep the guild interesting in slower times. Just try not to get so emotionally invested in every single post and I think you'd feel much better. Your opinions and feelings are as valid as anyone's and they are appreciated, but everyone will not always agree with them.

If you would like to discuss anything please PM any of the crew, or make a new off-topic thread where we can talk about it.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:52 pm


Ellavemia
Hoshioni


if everone responds likke you i QUIT this guild


I do hope you don't decide to quit. It's debates like these that help keep the guild interesting in slower times. Just try not to get so emotionally invested in every single post and I think you'd feel much better. Your opinions and feelings are as valid as anyone's and they are appreciated, but everyone will not always agree with them.

If you would like to discuss anything please PM any of the crew, or make a new off-topic thread where we can talk about it.


ITS MILLIONS OF EGGS

your neglecting the dangers of food with no nutrition at all, a conecept known as dead food.

they tryed to pass it in courts go look it up yourself.
*i dont know why thed wanna do it either but killing germs kills nutrients. *

and your telling me they can track anything they want in the world but magically they cant track these items.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:02 pm


Anything that the pasteurization process removes be obtained through fortification. Most people who buy mass market eggs don't care how the nutrients get there just so they're there. But none of it matters if you just buy small farm eggs or raise your own. Why worry about the government not wasting the tainted eggs when they probably don't affect you anyway?

I mean, either way it's bad. One on hand they destroy all those eggs that the poor hens in tiny crates give their lives to produce. On the other hand, people end up eating them. I'd rather people eat them.
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