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Requiem ex Inferni

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:39 pm


So I'm sure most of you have seen Van Helsing, and you probably remember (besides Kate Beckinsale's sweet a**) this little beauty:

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For those of you who haven't seen this movie or don't remember, this is a fully automatic, gas-operated, drum magazine-fed crossbow. Since obviously a rifle-type gas system (drawing the gas from the round being fired to cycle the gun) wouldn't work with a crossbow, it's powered by a small tank of CO2 or compressed air in the stock (visible in the image), much like a paintball gun.

Now, my question to you is, is such a weapon even possible, let alone practical?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:43 pm


No, with the amount of compressed air needed to recock the weapon ou could have already fired the bolt like a blow dart. it would also wate energy from the compressed gas by cocking it.

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Requiem ex Inferni

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:22 pm


Alright. What about removing the bow mechanism and just turning it into a big gas-powered blowgun?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:16 pm


you would still need something the size of a scuba tank to get fire as many rounds and the velocity it fires the bolts with.

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ArmasTermin

PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:51 am


090Freak090
you would still need something the size of a scuba tank to get fire as many rounds and the velocity it fires the bolts with.


Not to mention the bolts would have to be sealed within the barrel in sabots of some kind in order to keep from just blasting a bunch of air out the end.

Method would be, sealed bolts pushed by spring in rotary magazine, allowed to be pressed into the barrel by that energy as soon as the previous bolt was blasted out by the air. However if you stopped the gas at the wrong time, you might end up with a bolt stuck in the barrel. So you'd probably need a set amount of air dedicated to the firing of the bolt. Like there's one tank, that allows the Co2 into a smaller tank that holds enough air for one shot, and pressing the trigger opens the valve for that tank to fire the bolt. That would have to be semi-auto, but be more reliable.

As if this is actually a conceivable idea or something. Possible, yes, but wildly impractical. Not that there's anything wrong with that. And it's definitely a neat crossbow.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:42 am


Setting aside all the other practical reasons stated so far, the tech required to make such a weapon from period materials would weigh a great deal!

I would roughly estimate this crossbow would weigh over 20 pounds at a minimum. Even if aluminum could have been cast to create the frame, it would have been a handful to hold and fire.

Hollywood has a nasty habit of making nice looking weapons that will never be built in the real world.

One last thought on the matter of large caliber air guns. One of my air gun catalogs cited the fact that Lewis and Clark carried more than one .45 compressed hand pumped air rifles on their march west. And were used with success in hunting game.

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090Freak090

PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:56 am


Floyd
Setting aside all the other practical reasons stated so far, the tech required to make such a weapon from period materials would weigh a great deal!

I would roughly estimate this crossbow would weigh over 20 pounds at a minimum. Even if aluminum could have been cast to create the frame, it would have been a handful to hold and fire.

Hollywood has a nasty habit of making nice looking weapons that will never be built in the real world.

One last thought on the matter of large caliber air guns. One of my air gun catalogs cited the fact that Lewis and Clark carried more than one .45 compressed hand pumped air rifles on their march west. And were used with success in hunting game.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:56 am


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I'd have to photocopy the catalog article. The article itself had no citation to other historic sources, so I can't cite beyond the one article.

But the catalog was published by Beeman, a well regarded air gun producer and importer. Not some fly-by-night outfit.

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D'oh!

http://www.beeman.com/history.htm

http://www.beemans.net/

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:34 pm


Floyd
090Freak090
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I'd have to photocopy the catalog article. The article itself had no citation to other historic sources, so I can't cite beyond the one article.

But the catalog was published by Beeman, a well regarded air gun producer and importer. Not some fly-by-night outfit.

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D'oh!

http://www.beeman.com/history.htm

http://www.beemans.net/


huh... never would have guessed.
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