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 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:45 pm
Today I was watching Divorce Court, usually I dont like shows like that which Capitalize off of others misery, but this guy 100% believed that the world will end in 2012. He seemed to be very educated about his decision. He mentioned several ancient texts, Nostradamus, etc. Although I dont think the world will end, I feel that what everyone on the show did was TERRIBLE. The "judge", the ex-wife, some random scholar they Skyped in all patronized him and said he was crazy....I really felt all of this was out of line. How do you react to people who are "crazy" by your terms?
Do you show them respect regardless?
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:01 pm
OH! I DEFINITELY show them respect for what they believe.
I always imagine the possibility that they end up being right in the end, and then how much more foolish would I look if I had been awful to them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:05 pm
Eccentric yes - insane not necessarily
While he has just as much right to believe that 2012 is the end. Him having this view indicates he is not thinking rationally.
The Mayans were a primitive culture that believed in sacrificing people to their deities. Having a calendar end does not indicate an apocalypse 2012 is essentially the Mayan Y2K (in other words it is just hype).
Nostradam nus was a melancholic who understood only misery. Nostradamus wrote statements in way that could be interpreted in a multitude of ways whether this was his intention is unknown, his form of future telling can be compared to a game of roulette you can't always fail eventually you will get the number you want because Nostradamus's writings are vague its easier for the casual reader to deem his writings foretelling.
Regardless of how rational his belief of 2012 is, The view that 2012 is the end is surprisingly common so he is likely not insane just eccentric.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:09 am
I can't show respect to people whose beliefs I think are "crazy". And I can't see how anyone could - unless you just act like you respect them, which I think is disrespecting not only them, but yourself also.
I don't understand why people's beliefs should be something sacred and untouchable. If you think something is crazy and stupid, you should point it out - that's true respect. Keeping silent and nodding your head doesn't do anyone any good.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:00 am
Wow. That is really rude. I do not watch shows like that for this reason. Nostradamus was a ver creditable person. But there is a possible explaination for the Ancient Mayan calender. Remember that Cortez came over and murdered all the Mayans and Atecs. There's your reason. They were simply not able to go on with their calender because they all were killed.
But if I encountered someone like that I would probably have a discussion with them and put in some of my input. I do not doubt that the Apocalypse is nearing, just not that soon. But who knows. I would respect their beliefs, but if they get pushy and start to critisize me I would become hostile. I will respect you if you respect me.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:04 am
Artto I can't show respect to people whose beliefs I think are "crazy". And I can't see how anyone could - unless you just act like you respect them, which I think is disrespecting not only them, but yourself also. I don't understand why people's beliefs should be something sacred and untouchable. If you think something is crazy and stupid, you should point it out - that's true respect. Keeping silent and nodding your head doesn't do anyone any good.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:40 pm
Aakosir Artto I can't show respect to people whose beliefs I think are "crazy". And I can't see how anyone could - unless you just act like you respect them, which I think is disrespecting not only them, but yourself also. I don't understand why people's beliefs should be something sacred and untouchable. If you think something is crazy and stupid, you should point it out - that's true respect. Keeping silent and nodding your head doesn't do anyone any good. Hey, too bad. I know everything has a chance to be true, theoretically speaking. But practically - some things are just silly and I'm not afraid to point it out. If I have reasons to think so of course.
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:53 pm
I'll debate with anyone, but I am not going to disrespect anyone's belief. I will disagree, but not disrespect.
When someone has a belief that is find hard to swallow, yet they believe it with all their heart, they aren't going to listen to you if you aren't willing to hear them out. Seriously, what do you do when someone just comes out and tells you that you are wrong? You are less likely to listen to their reason as to why you are wrong.
If I show people the same respect that I would want from them, then I can get to the bottom of why they believe as they do, and they will give me more of an opportunity to express why I can't believe it.
You can't help someone by turning them off. If you really want to reach someone, you need to be willing to respect them. I don't know a single self respecting person who will accept "help" from someone else who does not respect them.
Besides, you may find that they have very good points that SHOULD be considered. You may find that when you take time to understand why people believe the way they do, then you learn a bit more about why you believe as you do.
We have allot of common knowledge that we teach to our children now that just 500 years ago, people were getting ridiculed for hypothesizing on.
Sure, I 'll pipe in and say I don't believe something someone says, but I am not going to ridicule someone for believing something. Heck, I love to debate. I have ideas that some would consider crazy, unorthodox, or eclectic, but on those ideas I still have to be proven wrong.
I'll honestly say that I don't believe that the world will end in 2012, but until New Year's Day 2013, the people who believe it will end still haven't been proven wrong. (Unless the world ends in 2010 or 2011, and then we can say they were wrong before 2013 xp )
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:01 am
Artto Aakosir Artto I can't show respect to people whose beliefs I think are "crazy". And I can't see how anyone could - unless you just act like you respect them, which I think is disrespecting not only them, but yourself also. I don't understand why people's beliefs should be something sacred and untouchable. If you think something is crazy and stupid, you should point it out - that's true respect. Keeping silent and nodding your head doesn't do anyone any good. Hey, too bad. I know everything has a chance to be true, theoretically speaking. But practically - some things are just silly and I'm not afraid to point it out. If I have reasons to think so of course.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:08 am
Eltanin Sadachbia I'll honestly say that I don't believe that the world will end in 2012, but until New Year's Day 2013, the people who believe it will end still haven't been proven wrong. (Unless the world ends in 2010 or 2011, and then we can say they were wrong before 2013 xp )
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:14 am
I think the world ending in 2012 is just something to scare us. We breath too much into ancient texts as it is and usually get worked up over nothing. Look at Y2K. Personally I feel the world is going to end in 2035. Then again the world will end when it ends and will take us all in a great firey explosion. Either that or humans and other animals will adapt to the environment until the atomosphere leaves.
As for the respect and insanity things...Well. I can't really say since most people give me great space when I start on issues like this, the colors thing, and pointing out the positives for corporal archaic punishments for criminals. But seeing as I have been labled as "crazy" by most people I talk to (Not clinically...yet) I usually like to extend the respect out to others...usually.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:14 am
in all honesty, i'm of the mind that no mortal has the means to determine what sanity even is.
but then again, there is the simple idea of understanding the human concept of Sanity, which would be just going with commonly and socially accepted logic/sense.
but if that is so, i certainly can't speak for the rational sane mind. i'm far from it myself.
how can anyone claim to know anything for certain? they can claim it, but it doesn't make it so. as i guess the only accurate way to put it, only the Creator knows.
in short, i may think someone is "crazy", or agree that they are Insane. but all that means is that they, like me, have thoughts or beliefs that are contrary to the public. it is only when they are dangerous that i begin to worry, the potential for psychosis to lead to Serial Murder, or Terrorism, or Cultism, is a severe problem.
call me Insane. i am. treat me as you will. it will happen. i don't believe that 2012 will be the end of the world (a huge change though, definately), but i do believe many things that the general public deems impossible and "crazy". i am terrified by what i read in the Necronomicon, i am preparing for WTSHTF, and i believe that there are a number of Global and National Conspiracies that endager the Rights of Freedom that americans have.
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:17 am
pantherdor I think the world ending in 2012 is just something to scare us. We breath too much into ancient texts as it is and usually get worked up over nothing. Look at Y2K. Personally I feel the world is going to end in 2035. Then again the world will end when it ends and will take us all in a great firey explosion. Either that or humans and other animals will adapt to the environment until the atomosphere leaves. Why 2035?
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:18 am
Chieftain Twilight in all honesty, i'm of the mind that no mortal has the means to determine what sanity even is.but then again, there is the simple idea of understanding the human concept of Sanity, which would be just going with commonly and socially accepted logic/sense. but if that is so, i certainly can't speak for the rational sane mind. i'm far from it myself. how can anyone claim to know anything for certain? they can claim it, but it doesn't make it so. as i guess the only accurate way to put it, only the Creator knows. in short, i may think someone is "crazy", or agree that they are Insane. but all that means is that they, like me, have thoughts or beliefs that are contrary to the public. it is only when they are dangerous that i begin to worry, the potential for psychosis to lead to Serial Murder, or Terrorism, or Cultism, is a severe problem. call me Insane. i am. treat me as you will. it will happen. i don't believe that 2012 will be the end of the world (a huge change though, definately), but i do believe many things that the general public deems impossible and "crazy".
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:20 am
Aakosir Chieftain Twilight in all honesty, i'm of the mind that no mortal has the means to determine what sanity even is.but then again, there is the simple idea of understanding the human concept of Sanity, which would be just going with commonly and socially accepted logic/sense. but if that is so, i certainly can't speak for the rational sane mind. i'm far from it myself. how can anyone claim to know anything for certain? they can claim it, but it doesn't make it so. as i guess the only accurate way to put it, only the Creator knows. in short, i may think someone is "crazy", or agree that they are Insane. but all that means is that they, like me, have thoughts or beliefs that are contrary to the public. it is only when they are dangerous that i begin to worry, the potential for psychosis to lead to Serial Murder, or Terrorism, or Cultism, is a severe problem. call me Insane. i am. treat me as you will. it will happen. i don't believe that 2012 will be the end of the world (a huge change though, definately), but i do believe many things that the general public deems impossible and "crazy". :shrugs.: yet people claim to. nothin' to do about it, people are sheep. i am terrified by what i read in the Necronomicon, i am preparing for WTSHTF, and i believe that there are a number of Global and National Conspiracies that endager the Rights of Freedom that americans have.
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