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 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:14 pm
Just because the new movie is coming out.
First off don't hate me. I cosplay as one of the villians from the books. I've read them but don't agree with most of the things Meyer has done to the vamp/werewolf image. I mean seriously sparkling vampires? I can understand living on animals. I can understand them coming out on overcast days during the daylight hours. I can also understand them never needing sleep and having special gifts. But if you put a true vampire in direct sunlight, THEY WILL BURST INTO FLAME!
As for the "werewolves" she has put in the books. Those aren't true weres. They would have to shift the day before, of, and after the full moon. I can't believe she has girls thinking that Jacob is a werewolf (SPOILER) until the fourth book. He's a shifter. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. The shifters are completely different from the weres, as many who have studied them would know. Not cool Meyer. Not cool. You'll get these girls killed one of these days.
sweatdrop Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. Before anyone asks if I was a team Ed or team Jay, I'm was neither. I'm team Jasper all the way. He doesn't sparkle as much in the books or movies.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:15 pm
This pickled vegetable...That thing's still around? ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:18 pm
Unfortuately. I've burned three books but the priest wouldn't come and exercise the last of them to make sure that blaspheme on the vamps was gone and dead for good.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:19 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:21 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:21 pm
This pickled vegetable...The blashpheme against vampires? Against vampires!? What about the blaspheme against women!?
What I don't like about the books is that I think they're sexist.
Why? Because every female wants the same thing-- a family, children, a big strong man to love them, and are willing to do unthinkable things for it. ((Well, Meyer never talked about what Jessica and Angela want, but every female she did show wanted the same thing))
Rosalie-- Rosalie wanted someone to love her and babies and a family. Of course, this is also due to the role of women in the time period that she was raised in, but even as she experiences a longer, different version of life that spans seventy years, she still wants children so badly that she will result to MURDER to get a child. Edward and Jacob prove that in BD as Jacob thinks snide thoughts about Rosalie, and Edward reads Rose's thoughts and tells Jacob that he was correct.
She saved Emmett because he remotely resembled the baby of a friend that she used to envy, because that friend had a home, a baby, and a big strong man to provide for her. Emmett goes on to be one of THE strongest vampires. He also is shown later in BD to only talk about Rosalie when he's talking about sex. He never once calls her his angel or anything (like he does in Meyer's outtakes that tell his story about how he was changed)-- I don't think. He might have said something, but if he did, it wasn't anything big enough for me to actually REMEMBER, which proves my point.
Also, she doesn't even really save Emmett, because she does not trust herself to have the self-control to change him. Instead, she takes him to Carlisle, a big strong man with massive amounts of self control, because in Meyer's universe, the only people with self-control are the men.
Jasper has self control because he, although unstable and used to a diet of human blood, is around humans all the time, and even though it's really hard for him, he abstains. Even though there is at least one girl on her period all the time at Forks High (if you think about it), and thus bleeding. Jasper smells the blood, and does nothing, because he has self-control.
And we all know Edward's self-control. He's trained himself to ignore the most potent smell of blood to him ever and be around Bella and love her, and even have sex with her.
Carlisle is the Vampire doctor-- the one who's around blood ALL DAY LONG and has developed huge amounts of self control to deal with this.
None of the girls are portrayed as having self control. In fact, Alice is constantly being shown as having NO control over herself, going overboard, and over the top ALL THE TIME. But I'll get to her later.
Anyways, back to Rosalie. She's shown as only thinking about herself. This is showcased in Midnight Sun where Edward describes her thoughts as being a shallow pool because she is only concerned with how pretty she is. Yeah, I realize that there ARE women like that, but if you couple that with all the other women in the book who are only concerned with clothes and fashion, that really is demeaning.
Alice-- Alice says that in one of the books that the minute she opened her eyes after becoming a vampire, she saw Jasper's face in her mind, and knows she's destined for Jasper, who's a warrior. AKA a big strong man. So she doesn't worry, and instead goes to wait for him, and subsequently, she's waiting for her chance to join a peaceful family led by a big strong man.
Alice shows that all women are supposed to do is sit around like Rapunzel in a tower and wait for a guy to come by and save us. Alice had the potential to be a really cool character, but Meyer turned her into someone who would sit around, waiting for a guy, and when he shows up, she's supposed to reform him and turn him into a good person. After she does that, she, like Rosalie, is concerned about clothes and fashion ALL THE TIME. Her mind is filled with having sleepovers, and throwing parties, and fluff. The only time it's shown that she has something REAL on her mind is at the VERY END of BD, when she goes to help her family.
Esme-- She tries to kill herself because her baby is stillborn. Either that, or it dies shortly after it was born. I think it says somewhere that her husband used to beat her. Or, otherwise, it was in a fan fiction that I read. But let's just go with that, and say that he did beat her. She threw herself off a CLIFF (aka TRIED TO KILL HERSELF) because she did not get the ideal family, husband, and child.
And then Carlisle comes out of no where and saves her and turns her into a vampire, and she lives happily ever after with a bunch of "Kids" who aren't even kids because they're all like 70 years old, which fulfills her desire to be a mother. And it shows that all she wants to do is be a mother figure.
I can understand wanting to be a mom, because I want to be a mom, and I'm sure she's good at it, because she's helped stop these people from murdering innocent humans, along with Carlisle. However, I find it ridiculous that she will KILL herself if she doesn't get to be a mom.
Esme teaches us that "If you don't get your goal, go kill yourself, girls." You don't see any of the men throwing themselves off cliffs if they don't meet THEIR goals. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:27 pm
This pickled vegetable...This one is new to me. Its LOLzy. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:33 pm
Renkon Root This pickled vegetable...The blashpheme against vampires? Against vampires!? What about the blaspheme against women!?
What I don't like about the books is that I think they're sexist.
Why? Because every female wants the same thing-- a family, children, a big strong man to love them, and are willing to do unthinkable things for it. ((Well, Meyer never talked about what Jessica and Angela want, but every female she did show wanted the same thing))
Rosalie-- Rosalie wanted someone to love her and babies and a family. Of course, this is also due to the role of women in the time period that she was raised in, but even as she experiences a longer, different version of life that spans seventy years, she still wants children so badly that she will result to MURDER to get a child. Edward and Jacob prove that in BD as Jacob thinks snide thoughts about Rosalie, and Edward reads Rose's thoughts and tells Jacob that he was correct.
She saved Emmett because he remotely resembled the baby of a friend that she used to envy, because that friend had a home, a baby, and a big strong man to provide for her. Emmett goes on to be one of THE strongest vampires. He also is shown later in BD to only talk about Rosalie when he's talking about sex. He never once calls her his angel or anything (like he does in Meyer's outtakes that tell his story about how he was changed)-- I don't think. He might have said something, but if he did, it wasn't anything big enough for me to actually REMEMBER, which proves my point.
Also, she doesn't even really save Emmett, because she does not trust herself to have the self-control to change him. Instead, she takes him to Carlisle, a big strong man with massive amounts of self control, because in Meyer's universe, the only people with self-control are the men.
Jasper has self control because he, although unstable and used to a diet of human blood, is around humans all the time, and even though it's really hard for him, he abstains. Even though there is at least one girl on her period all the time at Forks High (if you think about it), and thus bleeding. Jasper smells the blood, and does nothing, because he has self-control.
And we all know Edward's self-control. He's trained himself to ignore the most potent smell of blood to him ever and be around Bella and love her, and even have sex with her.
Carlisle is the Vampire doctor-- the one who's around blood ALL DAY LONG and has developed huge amounts of self control to deal with this.
None of the girls are portrayed as having self control. In fact, Alice is constantly being shown as having NO control over herself, going overboard, and over the top ALL THE TIME. But I'll get to her later.
Anyways, back to Rosalie. She's shown as only thinking about herself. This is showcased in Midnight Sun where Edward describes her thoughts as being a shallow pool because she is only concerned with how pretty she is. Yeah, I realize that there ARE women like that, but if you couple that with all the other women in the book who are only concerned with clothes and fashion, that really is demeaning.
Alice-- Alice says that in one of the books that the minute she opened her eyes after becoming a vampire, she saw Jasper's face in her mind, and knows she's destined for Jasper, who's a warrior. AKA a big strong man. So she doesn't worry, and instead goes to wait for him, and subsequently, she's waiting for her chance to join a peaceful family led by a big strong man.
Alice shows that all women are supposed to do is sit around like Rapunzel in a tower and wait for a guy to come by and save us. Alice had the potential to be a really cool character, but Meyer turned her into someone who would sit around, waiting for a guy, and when he shows up, she's supposed to reform him and turn him into a good person. After she does that, she, like Rosalie, is concerned about clothes and fashion ALL THE TIME. Her mind is filled with having sleepovers, and throwing parties, and fluff. The only time it's shown that she has something REAL on her mind is at the VERY END of BD, when she goes to help her family.
Esme-- She tries to kill herself because her baby is stillborn. Either that, or it dies shortly after it was born. I think it says somewhere that her husband used to beat her. Or, otherwise, it was in a fan fiction that I read. But let's just go with that, and say that he did beat her. She threw herself off a CLIFF (aka TRIED TO KILL HERSELF) because she did not get the ideal family, husband, and child.
And then Carlisle comes out of no where and saves her and turns her into a vampire, and she lives happily ever after with a bunch of "Kids" who aren't even kids because they're all like 70 years old, which fulfills her desire to be a mother. And it shows that all she wants to do is be a mother figure.
I can understand wanting to be a mom, because I want to be a mom, and I'm sure she's good at it, because she's helped stop these people from murdering innocent humans, along with Carlisle. However, I find it ridiculous that she will KILL herself if she doesn't get to be a mom.
Esme teaches us that "If you don't get your goal, go kill yourself, girls." You don't see any of the men throwing themselves off cliffs if they don't meet THEIR goals. ... could kick your a** !! Okay...point for you. Esme's post partem depression doesn't give her an excuse to try and jump off a ledge after losing the child. Another point for the sexist thing. You have to take into account that old habits and thought processes die hard. Vampire's are usually stuck, no matter how old they are or however many experiences they've had, with the same mindset. If the woman was a shallow little witch when she was turned, she's stuck that way. If a guy was an overbearing pig, he'll still have the mindset of an overbearing pig. Only living vamps can really change...but that is from a different book series all together so ignore the living vamp stuff. Look at how the minorities are being treated after all the civil rights movements. But with the women looking for families...is that so bad? I'm not going to agree with Meyer but what is wrong for wanting a big strong man around the house and having children with said man? I'm not saying go look for the overprotective and controlling Edward but there are girls out there who want men like that. But look at the tv girls have to put up with. Granted there are strong women roles but there aren't that many on the tv shows. Every show has a girl falling for the cutest or buffest guy and trying to get his attention.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:35 pm
Renkon Root This pickled vegetable...The blashpheme against vampires? Against vampires!? What about the blaspheme against women!?
What I don't like about the books is that I think they're sexist.
Why? Because every female wants the same thing-- a family, children, a big strong man to love them, and are willing to do unthinkable things for it. ((Well, Meyer never talked about what Jessica and Angela want, but every female she did show wanted the same thing))
Rosalie-- Rosalie wanted someone to love her and babies and a family. Of course, this is also due to the role of women in the time period that she was raised in, but even as she experiences a longer, different version of life that spans seventy years, she still wants children so badly that she will result to MURDER to get a child. Edward and Jacob prove that in BD as Jacob thinks snide thoughts about Rosalie, and Edward reads Rose's thoughts and tells Jacob that he was correct.
She saved Emmett because he remotely resembled the baby of a friend that she used to envy, because that friend had a home, a baby, and a big strong man to provide for her. Emmett goes on to be one of THE strongest vampires. He also is shown later in BD to only talk about Rosalie when he's talking about sex. He never once calls her his angel or anything (like he does in Meyer's outtakes that tell his story about how he was changed)-- I don't think. He might have said something, but if he did, it wasn't anything big enough for me to actually REMEMBER, which proves my point.
Also, she doesn't even really save Emmett, because she does not trust herself to have the self-control to change him. Instead, she takes him to Carlisle, a big strong man with massive amounts of self control, because in Meyer's universe, the only people with self-control are the men.
Jasper has self control because he, although unstable and used to a diet of human blood, is around humans all the time, and even though it's really hard for him, he abstains. Even though there is at least one girl on her period all the time at Forks High (if you think about it), and thus bleeding. Jasper smells the blood, and does nothing, because he has self-control.
And we all know Edward's self-control. He's trained himself to ignore the most potent smell of blood to him ever and be around Bella and love her, and even have sex with her.
Carlisle is the Vampire doctor-- the one who's around blood ALL DAY LONG and has developed huge amounts of self control to deal with this.
None of the girls are portrayed as having self control. In fact, Alice is constantly being shown as having NO control over herself, going overboard, and over the top ALL THE TIME. But I'll get to her later.
Anyways, back to Rosalie. She's shown as only thinking about herself. This is showcased in Midnight Sun where Edward describes her thoughts as being a shallow pool because she is only concerned with how pretty she is. Yeah, I realize that there ARE women like that, but if you couple that with all the other women in the book who are only concerned with clothes and fashion, that really is demeaning.
Alice-- Alice says that in one of the books that the minute she opened her eyes after becoming a vampire, she saw Jasper's face in her mind, and knows she's destined for Jasper, who's a warrior. AKA a big strong man. So she doesn't worry, and instead goes to wait for him, and subsequently, she's waiting for her chance to join a peaceful family led by a big strong man.
Alice shows that all women are supposed to do is sit around like Rapunzel in a tower and wait for a guy to come by and save us. Alice had the potential to be a really cool character, but Meyer turned her into someone who would sit around, waiting for a guy, and when he shows up, she's supposed to reform him and turn him into a good person. After she does that, she, like Rosalie, is concerned about clothes and fashion ALL THE TIME. Her mind is filled with having sleepovers, and throwing parties, and fluff. The only time it's shown that she has something REAL on her mind is at the VERY END of BD, when she goes to help her family.
Esme-- She tries to kill herself because her baby is stillborn. Either that, or it dies shortly after it was born. I think it says somewhere that her husband used to beat her. Or, otherwise, it was in a fan fiction that I read. But let's just go with that, and say that he did beat her. She threw herself off a CLIFF (aka TRIED TO KILL HERSELF) because she did not get the ideal family, husband, and child.
And then Carlisle comes out of no where and saves her and turns her into a vampire, and she lives happily ever after with a bunch of "Kids" who aren't even kids because they're all like 70 years old, which fulfills her desire to be a mother. And it shows that all she wants to do is be a mother figure.
I can understand wanting to be a mom, because I want to be a mom, and I'm sure she's good at it, because she's helped stop these people from murdering innocent humans, along with Carlisle. However, I find it ridiculous that she will KILL herself if she doesn't get to be a mom.
Esme teaches us that "If you don't get your goal, go kill yourself, girls." You don't see any of the men throwing themselves off cliffs if they don't meet THEIR goals. ... could kick your a** !! This! Plus, I have to say that the books aren't at all well written. The characters are shallow at best, all Bella does is fawn over Edwards body and how beautiful he is. Blah, blah, blah. Although I do see nothing wrong with wanting to get married and start a family. That is one the best things in my life is my husband and my baby girl! Quote: I've read them but don't agree with most of the things Meyer has done to the vamp/werewolf image. I mean seriously sparkling vampires? I can understand living on animals. I can understand them coming out on overcast days during the daylight hours. I can also understand them never needing sleep and having special gifts. But if you put a true vampire in direct sunlight, THEY WILL BURST INTO FLAME! I totally agree here too. And maybe I am just biased, but I thought the best vampire, next to Dracula, was the way they were potrayed in the Underworld movies.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:37 pm
pantherdor Every show has a girl falling for the cutest or buffest guy and trying to get his attention. What shows do you watch? neutral
In the shows that I watch women are strong, independent, career driven and intelligent. They date male characters from time to time but their character doesn't revolve around finding a man. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:42 pm
Renkon Root pantherdor Every show has a girl falling for the cutest or buffest guy and trying to get his attention. What shows do you watch? neutral
In the shows that I watch women are strong, independent, career driven and intelligent. They date male characters from time to time but their character doesn't revolve around finding a man. ... could kick your a** !! Unfortunately disney channel, nick, and cartoon network shows. I know biased and run by men but I have younger sibs that like to watch them. I've watched Rosanne, Golden Girls, Castle, NCIS, CSI, Law and Order, some anime, and documentaries. I know not a lot of them are revolved around finding men but the Twilight books were supposed to be like those dumb 10 cent romance crap they sell at any book store.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:47 pm
This pickled vegetable...I watch(ed) Friends, Gargoyles, Psych, Bones, How I Met Your Mother, and a bunch of anime, miscellaneous movies and foreign stuff.
pantherdor Twilight books were supposed to be like those dumb 10 cent romance crap they sell at any book store. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:49 pm
Renkon Root This pickled vegetable...I watch(ed) Friends, Gargoyles, Psych, Bones, How I Met Your Mother, and a bunch of anime, miscellaneous movies and foreign stuff.
pantherdor Twilight books were supposed to be like those dumb 10 cent romance crap they sell at any book store. ... could kick your a** !! Then Meyer is full of crap of that one! Her books are not better than Princess Bride or Pride and Prejudice. Sorry! But those books atleast have structure them. All Meyer's books have is that it's full of stuff that makes little girlies horny for some fictional character named Edward who sparkles in sunlight.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:52 pm
This pickled vegetable...Oh, the woman is most definitely a complete idiot.
She's a mother and yet has no concept of how pregnancy and reproduction work. ... could kick your a** !!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:54 pm
Quote: "Both Rowling and Meyer, they’re speaking directly to young people. … The real difference is that [Harry Potter author] Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and [Twilight author] Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good." - Stephen King tells USA Today Thank you Stephen, thank you. crying
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