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thirdeyephilsophy

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:43 pm


So I'm back after a long hiatus ( even though I bet nobody noticed) crying
I thought y'all would be really interested in this 'cause I remember some discussion 'bout interacial relationships.

WARNING:

VERY LONG POST
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:44 pm


W: White Woman's Opinion of Black Women

White women's opinion of black women & a brother's response. Please
take a moment and read this. Pretty Deep! Thumbs up to this black man.

Enjoy.

It seems that an article was written to Sister 2 Sister magazine by a
Caucasian woman who requested a response from black men. I'm so glad she
got what she asked for (and more) !!!

Dear Jamie:

I'm sorry but I would like to challenge some of your Black male
readers.

I am a White female who is engaged to a Black male-good-looking,
educated and loving. I just don't understand a lot of Black female's
attitudes about our relationship.

My man decided he wanted me because the pickings amongst Black women
were slim to none. As he said they were either too fat, too loud, too
mean, too argumentative, too needy, too materialistic or carrying too
much excess baggage.

Before I became engaged, whenever I went out I was constantly
approached by Black men, willing to wine and dine me and give me the
world. If Black women are so up in arms about us being with their men,
why don't they look at themselves and make some changes.

I am tired of the dirty looks I get and snide remarks when we're out
in public. I would like to hear from some Black men about why we are so
appealing and coveted by them.

Bryant Gumbel just left his wife of 26 years for one of us Charles
Barkley, Scottie Pippen, the model Tyson Beckford, Montell Williams,
Quincy Jones, James Earl Jones, Harry Belafonte, Sydney Poitier, Kofi
Anan, Cuba Gooding Jr., Don Cornelius, Berry Gordy, Billy Blanks, Larry
Fishburne, Wesley Snipes...

I could go on and on. But, right now, I'm a little angry and that is
why I wrote this so hurriedly. Don't be mad with us White women because
so many of your men want us. Get your acts together and learn from us
and we may lead you to treat your men better. If I'm wrong, Black men,
let me know.

Disgusted White Girl, Somewhere in VA

thirdeyephilsophy


thirdeyephilsophy

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:45 pm


RESPONSE

Dear Jamie:

I would like to respond to the letter written by A Disgusted White
Girl.

Let me start by saying that I am a 28-year old black man. I graduated
from one of the most prestigious universities in Atlanta, Georgiawith a
Bachelor of Arts Degree in Business Management. I have a good job at a
major corporation and have recently purchased a house. So, I consider
myself to be among the ranks of successful black men.

I will not use my precious time to slander white people. I just want
to set the record straight of why black men date white women. Back in
the day, one of the biggest reasons why black men dated white women was
because they were considered easy.

The black girls in my neighborhood were raised in the church. They
were very strict about when they lost their virginity and who they lost
it to. Because of our impatience to wait, brothers would look for
someone who would give it up easy without too much hassle. So, they
turned to the white girls.

Nowadays, in my opinion, a lot of brothers date white women because
they are docile and easy to control. A lot of black men, because of
insecurities, fears, and overall weaknesses, have become intimidated by
the strength of our black women. We are afraid that our woman will be
more successful than us, make more money than us, drive nicer cars and
own bigger houses. Because of this fear, many black men look for a more
docile woman. Someone we can control.

I have talked to numerous black men and they continuously comment on
how easy it is to control and walk over their white women. I just want
to set the record straight. I want A Disgusted White Girl to know that
not all successful black men date white women.

Brothers like Ahmad Rashad, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, Morris
Chestnut, Will Smith, Blair Underwood, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds,
Samuel L. Jackson, and Chris Rock all married strong black women And, to
flip the script, there are numerous white men, in and out of the spot
light, who openly or secretly desire black women over white women. Ted
Danson, Robert DeNiro, and David Bowie to name a few.

I just don't want a disgusted white girl to be misinformed Stop
thinking that because you are white that you are some type of goddess.
Remember, when black Egyptian Queens like Hatsepshut and Nitorcris were
ruling Dynasties and armies of men in Egypt, you were over in the caves
of Europe eating raw meat and beating each other over the head with
clubs. Read your history!

It was the black woman that taught you how to cook and season your
food. It was the black woman that taught you how to raise your
children. It was black women who were breast feeding and raising your
babies during slavery.

It is the black woman that had to endure watching their fathers,
husbands, and children beaten, killed, and thrown in jail. Black women
were born with two strikes against them: being black and being a woman.
And, through all this, Still They Rise!

It is because of the black women's strength, elegance, power, love
and beauty that I could> never> date anyone except my black Queen. It is
not just the outer beauty that captivates and draws me to them. It is
not the fact that they come in all shapes, sizes, colors and shades that
I love them.

Their inner beauty is what I find most appealing about black women.
Their strong spirit, loving and nurturing souls, their integrity, their
ability to overcome great obstacles, their willingness to stand for what
they believe in, and their determination to succeed and reach their
highest potential while enduring great pain and suffering is why I have
fallen in love with black women.

I honestly believe that your anger is geared more toward jealousy and
envy more so than snotty looks. If this were not so, then why do you
continuously go to tanning salons to darken your skin? If you are so
proud to be white, then why don't you just be happy with your pale skin?
Why do you continue to inject your lips, hips, and breasts with
unnatural and dangerous substances so you can look fuller and more
voluptuous?

I think that your anger is really a result of you wanting to have
what the black woman has.

BOTTOM LINE: If I were looking for a docile woman, someone I can walk
over and control, I would give you a call. But, unfortunately, I am
looking for a Virtuous Woman. Someone that can be a good wife and mother
to my children.

Someone who can be my best friend and understands my struggles. I am
looking for a soul mate. I am looking for a sister and; unfortunately,
you do not and CANNOT fit the bill.

No offense taken, none given.

Signed, Black Royalty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:50 pm


I like and agree with most of Black Royalty's comments but I kind of resent that he says black men look for a women to control and white women are submissive, personally I know alot of submissive black women and alot of loud opinounated white women, but not only that he also implies that there is no such thing as inter-racial love or that the love isn't real, although I've never really seen an interacial couple last I think alot of them do honestly love each other.

thirdeyephilsophy


Passion_Dragon
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:50 pm


[Well...I commend the man for standing up for black men who prefer black women, and for speaking his mind and defending black couples.

But thirdeye is right, his little "speech" IS hit and miss. Like he says, not all white women are submissive; and not all black men have and do go for white women because they want someone they can control. How dare he say such a thing? Also, why did he bring up the irrelivant opinion that the white woman tans and subjects herself to plastic surgery?? The white woman never said she did. neutral She never implied she wasn't happy with "looking white."

Plus, the black guy goes on and on about completely unfounded statements, like "black women taught you how to cook and season your food." Europeans ate food, right? Africans didn't invent all food and spices.

I like the part that follows, about why he loves his black girlfriend. 3nodding ]
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:22 pm


Unforunately, I kind of agree with the white woman.

My first and second girlfriends were black. With the first one, we CONSTANTLY argued over petty things, and if I tried to walk away from it, she'd continue to call and annoy me. It was just too much stress. The second was just plain mean. I told her I didn't like being hit in the face, and of course, she did it right after I said it. That relationship lasted about a week. It's just too much stress for me to handle.

So, the white woman has a very good point. Most black women are argumentive, loud, and sometimes mean. But the black man has a point, too. White women are very submissive, which means less of a headache for the man. But like previously mentioned there are exceptions to every rule.

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Pentium 6.0


Passion_Dragon
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:45 pm


Pentium 6.0
Unforunately, I kind of agree with the white woman.

My first and second girlfriends were black. With the first one, we CONSTANTLY argued over petty things, and if I tried to walk away from it, she'd continue to call and annoy me. It was just too much stress. The second was just plain mean. I told her I didn't like being hit in the face, and of course, she did it right after I said it. That relationship lasted about a week. It's just too much stress for me to handle.

So, the white woman has a very good point. Most black women are argumentive, loud, and sometimes mean. But the black man has a point, too. White women are very submissive, which means less of a headache for the man. But like previously mentioned there are exceptions to every rule.

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[Exceptions to every RULE? That cliche is totally out of place. A "rule" is, "don't chew with your mouth open." The exception can be an instance where someone can't breathe through their nose due to a cold and therefore must masticate with an open mouth.

But, wow, that was harsh, insinuating that white women ARE submissive. Not "some," not "might be," but ARE. I'm not white and I'M offended...! xd And the bit about "most" black women being loud and argumentative...? Hoshit, that's low...! gonk

I'm sorry you had a "couple" of bad experiences in your YOUNG life, but there's really no sense in those statements. razz

Would you agree, if the script was flipped? If the article was about black women wanting white men because "they are proactive and polite, clean and not lazy?" And that black men are "stubborn and controlling, petty and lazy?" rolleyes

Dayum~! surprised

Think outside the box.]

[EDIT: About my last paragraph asking if you'd agree, I notice you didn't agree with what actually WAS being implied by the black man: that black men are controlling and take advantage of white women who are docile. wink ]
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:04 pm


Whatever happened to love?

Ebony Beauty


Passion_Dragon
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:15 pm


Ebony Beauty
Whatever happened to love?
[ biggrin Love still exists, rest assured, but to be truthful, I don't love everyone I date or date everyone I love. Sometimes it's just not part of the equation. 3nodding ]
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:29 pm


Pentium 6.0
Unforunately, I kind of agree with the white woman.

My first and second girlfriends were black.

So you think that gives you the right to lump us all in one box? I'm sorry, but just because you've dated two black women doesn't mean you know how all of them act.

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With the first one, we CONSTANTLY argued over petty things, and if I tried to walk away from it, she'd continue to call and annoy me. It was just too much stress. The second was just plain mean. I told her I didn't like being hit in the face, and of course, she did it right after I said it. That relationship lasted about a week. It's just too much stress for me to handle.

So don't date girls like that. The end. They're not like that because they're black, they're like that because that's how their personalities are.

Quote:
So, the white woman has a very good point. Most black women are argumentive, loud, and sometimes mean. But the black man has a point, too. White women are very submissive, which means less of a headache for the man. But like previously mentioned there are exceptions to every rule.

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WHAT?!?!?!?! You cannot be serious. Black women are not all the same, so stop trying to make us all out to be monolithic. And ALSO not all white women are submissive. There is no exception to the rule because there IS no rule. Women are not going to act a certain way just because of their skintone. That's just wrong, and not only that but it's rude to come in here and stereotype black women.

ShiaoBella


Pentium 6.0

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:42 pm


True, those are girls and not women, but remember, I'm around black people all the time. Wether they're family, family of friends, people around the neighborhood, or whatever. I have to say that 50-80% of black women ARE loud and argumentive. And just because girls go about things differently than women do, doesn't mean that they don't do the same things in essence.

And you didn't have to look too far into the 'Exceptions to every rule' thing. The bottom line is that you knew what I meant, even if 'rule' isn't the right word to use.

Well, if the shoe fits. The fact of the matter is, white women don't sit there and argue with you over petty things. Black women will. Yes, there are exceptions, but the majority do.

And, yes, a "couple", but I'm happy to say that I haven't had many problems with any of my relationships after those two. That's enough for me.

Yes, I would agree, if the script was flipped. That's how black men are. I don't deny it, as I can be all of the above at times. Though they don't want to admit it, they know they have some of the traits mentioned in the article.

Hell, I was never in the box. I kicked it, stepped on it, and walked all the way around the box. I realize not everyone will agree with my opinions, but that's what I actually feel about the article.

--
It's true, I shouldn't date those kinds of black girls. But out of all the black girls I know (which is a lot of them) I have to say, most of them fit the description (except for the 'mean' part). There really aren't many options at all down here. Of course, I'm going on the girls in the South. I don't know what it's like up North.
--
I never said ALL. When have you ever heard me say the word 'ALL'? Except for just now, that is. I said MOST. MOST. Most can be anything over 50%. I didn't group ALL black women.

EDIT::

What do you mean? We do take advantage of them. We take advantage of their kindness, and usually use them to get what we want. However, we also give them what they want. Companionship. I never said I didn't agree with that comment. Just because I didn't comment on it doesn't mean I don't agree. After all, I didn't comment on the black women being 'fat' and 'materialistic', now did I?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:57 pm


Pentium 6.0
but remember, I'm around black people all the time. Wether they're family, family of friends, people around the neighborhood, or whatever. I have to say that 50-80% of black women ARE loud and argumentive.

[50-80% is still not all. And, what, you think I was raised by white people or in a white neighborhood?? I only have one thing to say to that comment, AND those "statistics": YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE. 3nodding In all honesty and seriousness, if you think that half to most of all black women are loud and argumentative, YOU need to get out and see some of the world. Flat out. wink ]

Pentium 6.0
And you didn't have to look too far into the 'Exceptions to every rule' thing. The bottom line is that you knew what I meant, even if 'rule' isn't the right word to use.

[Uh-huh. rolleyes xd I wouldn't type anything you don't feel like arguing.]

Pentium 6.0
Yes, I would agree, if the script was flipped. That's how black men are. I don't deny it, as I can be all of the above at times. Though they don't want to admit it, they know they have some of the traits mentioned in the article.

[This makes no sense. The statement itself is understood, but what motive would someone have to spend a bunch of time COMPLAINING about how someone else acts if you're going to be a hypocrite?? lol If black men act like black women supposedly do then what the hells the point, again??]

Pentium 6.0
Hell, I was never in the box. I kicked it, stepped on it, and walked all the way around the box. I realize not everyone will agree with my opinions, but that's what I actually feel about the article.

[Are you saying that you agree with NOTHING I said, even after stepping "outside the box?" rolleyes ]

Pentium 6.0
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It's true, I shouldn't date those kinds of black girls. But out of all the black girls I know (which is a lot of them) I have to say, most of them fit the description (except for the 'mean' part). There really aren't many options at all down here. Of course, I'm going on the girls in the South. I don't know what it's like up North.

[It has nothing to do with north or south US, or black Germans or Africans or Jamaicans...! NOW you're admitting that you may not really be sure enough to make that generalization, after standing behind it like you have?? Now you withdraw your so-called "statistics" and confess that you're only going on a small portion of the world's population of black women and there's no real way to make such a ridiculous generalization?? xd

YES, I'm putting words in your mouth. Do you see how I came to that assumption, though??]

Pentium 6.0
EDIT::

What do you mean? We do take advantage of them. We take advantage of their kindness, and usually use them to get what we want. However, we also give them what they want. Companionship. I never said I didn't agree with that comment. Just because I didn't comment on it doesn't mean I don't agree. After all, I didn't comment on the black women being 'fat' and 'materialistic', now did I?

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[I was just making a point of something I found to be funny. biggrin (If you're referring to my edit.) But, have you noticed people are easier to take seriously when they don't come off as the very thing the argument is about? See, in another guild where a friend of mine is a member, someone was trying to prove the point that physical perfection is something women should strive to achieve, for the sake of getting/keeping a man. The person trying to argue their point said, "If u aint got no a** u aint gettin no niggas," or something just as stupid. Of course, everyone who was trying to agrue the opposite point had reason to jump on him and try to argue him into the ground. Why? Because he was the type of person the argument was about.

Now you've just pretty much confessed that you're the type of person THIS argument has come to be about--the black male who DOES think that white women are docile and easy to control and that black women ARE loud and like to b***h all the time. Therefore, it's more difficult for me to feel like my arguing my point to you is worthwhile.

It's like trying to argue to Hitler that he's wrong for wanting to exterminate Jews. 3nodding xd

...So, I'm going to leave it at this. And I want to express again what I said at the very beginning of this terribly long post: You need to get out more. There's more to life than the s**t you think you know. biggrin Trust me; once upon a time I may have believed you; TODAY, there is a REASON I don't.]

Passion_Dragon
Crew


VeryHungry_Pie-raider

PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:52 pm


FIN
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:10 pm


Quote:
My man decided he wanted me because the pickings amongst Black women were slim to none. As he said they were either too fat, too loud, too mean, too argumentative, too needy, too materialistic or carrying too much excess baggage.

THAT'S the reason you get looks and snide remarks. stare Was there NOT a stereotype used against black women that she missed?

(Yes, these same stereotypes in movies and on your T.V. MUST be true of ALL black women! ESPECIALLY if your BLACK husband says so!! rolleyes stare )

Quote:
I would like to hear from some Black men about why we are so
appealing and coveted by them.

My goodness! The modesty of this woman! I want to be white! (yeah RIGHT! rolleyes ) So every black man wants a white woman? (Just because Kobe does it, doesn't mean you should too) Maybe she should reconsider the vice versa. Are white women making themselves mroe available to/throwing themselves at black men just for a thrill? (Yes, it happens. And you usually end up in a whole lot of s**t for it, don't you?)

Quote:
Don't be mad with us White women because
so many of your men want us. Get your acts together and learn from us
and we may lead you to treat your men better. If I'm wrong, Black men,
let me know.

I'm not a man, but your WRONG! You SHOULD be asking black women instead of insulting them. Man, does she have an a** whooping waiting for her from an angry black woman.

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Disgusted White Girl, Somewhere in VA

More like disgusting.

Coffy


Passion_Dragon
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:56 am


RAS-Anjilyn
Quote:
Disgusted White Girl, Somewhere in VA

More like disgusting.

[ 3nodding

This broad has a really skewed sense of the world, doesn't she?? evil ]
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