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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:57 pm
I know it's stupid for me to ask but can a Buddhist kill? If he know what he is doing and does it, can he?
As it stands at this moment in time I want to join the Royal Marines, probably infantry, and feel I have no problem killing another person. I also feel practicing Buddhism will help me in life.
What should I do? Any advice?
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:03 pm
So that I have come to learn, all life is sacred; all life is precious and everyone has a purpose for being on the planet. Shortening their life is like defeating their purpose. I would advise against it, but that's all that I've known in my life. Maybe you could. *Shrugs* (According to the Dalai Lama, though, killing mosquitos can be an exception ROFL)
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:37 am
I practice Buddhism, but I am also enjoying a bacon sandwich for breakfast...
I wish I could find the quote so I could post the exact words, but either Buddha or a Buddhist teacher once said something along the lines of "choosing not to follow a path just because you can't follow all the guidelines/rules is like being dehydrated and not drinking from a river simply because you can't drink the whole river." In other words, practice what you can apply to your life now regardless of what you can't. Perhaps later you'll decide you do have a problem with killing, and if you're lucky when you join the marines you won't be placed in a situation where it is kill or be killed.
All that said, if for any reason things don't work out with me going to college I will be joining the National Guard and transferring into one of the other branches. With the economy the way it is, no logical(and non-pacifistic) person can really blame you for going military. On top of good pay- you get $200 food allowance, $200 clothing allowance, and you can either live on base or if you are married and want your own home you can get a housing allowance of up $1000 a month. Most of the money you earn can either be put in savings or enjoyed in other ways. Plus, the food allowance goes up and you get a pay bonus for all dependents(spouse and kids), I don't know many if any other places that do that. Considering the fact that there are college graduates working at those fast food restaurants most people would work at part-time while in high school so long ago, the military is not at all a bad choice for someone who needs to make a living.
Besides all that, it is a civic duty to serve for at least six years, but most people don't know that and it isn't really enforced.
EDIT: I just noticed you say "Royal" Marines. From what I have heard before, that refers to the Marines of the United Kingdom. What I said about benefits and civic duty refers to the American military, so that may or may not be different. I don't know, but it's a possibility.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:21 pm
I just thought about something: Many people in the US armed forces are Christian. Christianity has a "Thou shalt not kill" clause. Many Christians in the military still kill people anyway.
Buddhism also has a no killing policy. If a buddhist were to kill some one, it'd be similar to a christian killing some one, in that the "no killing" rule was broken.
I suppose it depends on whether or not you feel you can handle the weight of death on your shoulders...
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Lord Alucard Ere Casanova
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:32 pm
Manguusu I just thought about something: Many people in the US armed forces are Christian. Christianity has a "Thou shalt not kill" clause. Many Christians in the military still kill people anyway. Buddhism also has a no killing policy. If a buddhist were to kill some one, it'd be similar to a christian killing some one, in that the "no killing" rule was broken. I suppose it depends on whether or not you feel you can handle the weight of death on your shoulders... Actually, most branches of Christianity support killing only when necessary for defending your homeland and/or family. In fact, if your family is attacked and you do nothing to try and stop them the Bible says that you are as guilty as those who attacked your family. Christianity also teaches that you should follow the laws of your country. If you are ordered to kill while in the military and choose not to, you are treated as if you broke the law because by being in the military whatever orders you are given is pretty much the law. If I remember correctly, Shaolin Kungfu was developed so the Buddhist monks could defend the local people from bandits and other thugs without killing, however there have been cases of them killing to protect others when necessary. Most pacifistic religions or belief systems place higher value on others than on the individual practicing. A Christian's job is to follow their God and their God supports supporting the country, but if as an individual a Christian were to be slapped they are supposed to turn the other cheek. A Buddhist's job may depend on their sect for specifics, but generally they are to end suffering for all sentient life and not anyone in particular, so they would defend someone who is being attacked and turn the other cheek if they themselves were attacked. Killing for fun, vengeance, experience, money, or any other such reason is not supported by either Christianity or Buddhism. Killing may not be supported in any sect of Buddhism, but defending others is. Defending others is also supported in Christianity and Christianity does support killing when necessary, but only when necessary. EDIT: In the end, it does pretty much come down to whether or not an individual feels they can handle killing. I'll be joining the military when I can as well, but I hope I don't have to kill anyone. I'm sure I could handle it if I have to since I'm not going to kill unless I have to, but that doesn't mean I'll enjoy it.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:35 pm
 Actually, The First precept that Buddhists are encouraged to follow is "I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life." Furthermore, one of the Principals of the Noble Eightfold path, Right Action, involves the body as natural means of expression, as it refers to deeds that involve bodily actions. Unwholesome actions lead to unsound states of mind, while wholesome actions lead to sound states of mind. Again, the principle is explained in terms of abstinence: right action means to abstain from harming sentient beings, especially to abstain from taking life (including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently. heart 4laugh
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:31 pm
Its just something else that we can attach to ourselves. True killing is bad, but it can be worse if it is dwelt on. To kill? To not kill? Don't fill yourself with questions, just be. You know?
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:27 pm
I think it would be best to simply lay out your priorities and decide what is most important to you, or why you want take such actions. Think about how choosing to join the Royal Marines will improve your life, or why it is exactly that you've wanted to do this. From a Buddhist point of view, how will this action benefit everyone around you, as well as yourself? Maybe you'll learn from the experience and be able to relay what you've learned to other people? Also, I know someone who has been with the Royal Marines for a few years. Thankfully they havent had to kill anyone, on the contrary they've actually had the opportunity to help a lot of poor people/help pass food onto people who need it etc. in this way you're being extremely beneficial to other peoples lives.
Putting Buddhism aside, I think the decision all depends on what you hold important and what you want from life. Just think about why you want to do this and how such a big thing as taking another life will affect the reasons you want to join. Whatever views you have on taking a life, it is something that makes a big impact, something you'll really need to be sure/have no conflict about.
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:25 am
While as others have said, if you're prepared for it and it'll improve your life somehow, then go for it. But I'd like to add, if you kill, don't kill in hate. When I was researching about killing and Buddhist (when killing bugs), the answer I got was, first, it's not really good, but try not to kill in hate. And second, the precepts aren't commandments. Buddhists should try to uphold them to the best of their ability, even the Dalai Lama kills mosquitoes as said..
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:49 am
The only time a Buddhist can kill is to eliminate immediate danger for themself or others. For example, killing a black widow inside the house, or a guilty person who is pointing a gun at an innocent person. Buddhists want to minimize suffering. smile
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