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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:01 pm
I have become a fan of this SPIKE show, but do find a pitty that they cant do a Deadliest Toku Warrior Like Kamen Rider Den-O vs. TimeRed or stuff we should do something like that.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:42 pm
Deadest Warrior was okay when I watched it.
The only way something like that would happen is if we (fans) did it. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:21 pm
In my opinion, I think Kamen Rider has it sorted, especially with Decade. The whole thing midway through the season with the Shinkenger team-up.
He could use the powers of any sentai around (in theory!!!).
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:59 pm
I really like the idea of throwing out toku fights we would like to see and then discussing who we think would win. I used to be on a Toho forum that did that. A lot of the fight ideas turned into long and sometimes deep discussions.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:04 pm
Any Kamen Rider, hands down.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:48 pm
Chuck Poon Any Kamen Rider, hands down. Ah but what if its a kamen rider vs a kamen rider? Also there is one sentai that might win against any kamen rider..and that is Shinken Red.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:09 pm
You only raise one question here:
WHERE'S THE EFFIN' POPCORN!?
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:09 pm
It is kind of hard to figure out who would win in a grand battle like that.
Metal Hero has a lot of diversity but not enough to handle what the others can throw out and keep up with them.
Ultraman has power and size, but his time limit kind of screws him over since I can see many of these fights lasting longer than they are granted.
Super Sentai has power, but they need to work as a team to function on that level where as other toku can hold their own in most cases. Their best asset is the giant robots which stomp out the above two to me.
Kamen Rider wins, barely. To me they've always seemed more independent and slightly more creative in the workings of abilities, so they'd have an edge in most battles. The largeness of Ultraman and the mecha of Sentai are something riders don't really have consistently, but more and more they can handle giant monsters so I think they can take on the giants toe-to-toe and in some cases beat them.
Since Kamen Rider to me wins ground combat and can go on par with giant combat I think they'd win in the end.
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:20 pm
In the case of the Metal Hero, Kamen Rider, Sentai, Ultraman fight. Even though I love Kamen Rider I have to say they're outgunned. Only a few Kamen Riders could stand a chance against sentai with their giant robots or any Ultraman with size shifting ability. Those riders being Decade, Diend, J, Arc, Kiva and maybe Kaixa.
I think Riders would stand more of a chance against sentai in one on one melee fights. But throw in the mechs and the riders are screwed. So far as Ultraman Vs. Sentai goes I say Ultraman. I doubt the slow boxy robots could keep up with Ultraman. That's my opinion anyway. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:02 am
I think i'll throw in my own cents here.... : Even Super Sentai has "Basic Characters" that are potential powerhouses in fighting. I think those could take out most Kamen Riders, but would of course still be defeated Decade, and some of the other heavy-hitters.
Ultraman's moveability would indeed let him win over most over the big sentai mecha Robots, but a few of the later ones are really more agile in themselves, and they have firepower to boot.
Then, one might ask about the difference between Ultraman and Kamen Rider J. Decade defeats J, could he do the same with Ultraman?
Speaking of wich, how would Decade fare against the Sentai Mechas? The answer might not be that obvious ..... ?
Essentially, it seems like Decade rules against all of the human-sized, but may be pawned by (some) Giant Robots.
Ultraman might pawn most or even all giant robots due to sheer greater mobility, but if he is too similar to J, he may still be pawned by Decade.
This may result in a Paper-Rock-Scissors effect, but with Decade-Ultraman-Giant Mecha instead.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:18 am
Mr Jes Deadest Warrior was okay when I watched it. The only way something like that would happen is if we (fans) did it. 3nodding I propose a versus section of some sort. lol Then we can discuss all our dream matches. ><
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:12 am
The way I see it with rangers having strong members is that they usually are only strong in conditions. Even the extra rangers who debut with strength behind them get swept up in needing the team eventually. I think they could take some riders, but in most cases a single rider from a show could be on par with a whole group of rangers so a group of riders from one show could take a group of rangers.
With the giant battles going on, Ultraman does have an edge but I still think his timelimit would screw him over in an extended fight and as Tiina said a number of sentai mecha can be quite mobile and strong themselves. I maybe just need to see newer ultramen who might not have it, but that timelimit just keeps coming back into my mind when picturing this sort of thing.
Kamen Riders might not have size and only a handful of late fight giant monsters, but I think a number of their stronger forms could handle it. Rising Mighty Kuuga's kick, Kabutos tachyon blast and a number of other attacks could really mess up a giant fighter, especially sentai mecha that need to be combined. In turn, many giants just need simple attacks to knock out/destroy a rider. In my mind, however, if everyone's using their arsenal of abilities then riders have an edge. Almost every rider has a motorcycle which allows them to be speedy, powerful and a hard to hit target. So while a number of riders might get smashed to pieces by Ultraman and Mecha, I think enough of them have the firepower and speed to avoid attacks and take down large and easy to hit targets.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:12 pm
What would you think of a rough list like this, i start with the ones i estimate as weakest, and continue to the srongest: * Sentai "regular" groupmember. * Several Kamen Riders, Special Sentai groupmembers. * Sentai "Power" Characters * "Clumsy" Giant Robots * Ultraman * "Agile" Giant Robots, Decade + a few other Riders.
Comment to Itami: Yes, several Kamen Riders would easily manage a basic, or even a full Team of Sentai Groupmembers, but so would all those i call Sentai "Power" Characters.
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:42 pm
Tough call, however I agree ultimately with Itami
Size/Mecha In terms of sheer size it would toss up between Sentai and Ultraman. However with Ultraman's time limit on Earth, Sentai would more then likely win a drawn out battle, however this is also one of their weaknesses which I'll address next paragraph. Kamen Riders aren't really included in this, since only a few have access to giant forms or abilities strong enough that can over come this obstacle. Metal Heroes are out since only a few of them had mecha were largely solitary fighters. *Don't quote me on Metal Heroes, I've only know what I've learned form Beetleborgs and what I've read on Wikipeidia when I made this guild. sweatdrop
Diversity in Powers/Techniques This is a tough one.
Sentai have multiple techniques/powers, usually with them having two piece. However like their mecha, they have to be together to be fully effective and when they're not, they usually are defeated if the opponent isn't a run of the mill grunt. Hesei-era Kamen Riders usually have multiple abilities even in their basic form(s). However, Kamen Riders usually work alone and even when two of them (maybe one more) work together, they can still be out numbered if their opponent is sufficently skilled/powerful/has numbers. However, when Riders use their more powerful forms or think strategically, the will often come out victorious.
Breakdown: -Size- Ultraman: Great power, short time limit. Sentai: Multiple forms, no time limit. Winner---Sentai
Technique/Abilites Sentai: Have only a few abilities as individuals. Strong in groups. Kamen Rider: Has multiple forms/powers. Winner---Kamen Rider.
@Rider Punch: Good idea. Make it. mad
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:53 pm
Jes, would it be possible at all to make a sub-forum for it? That way each fight could be a separate topic and things wouldn't get all cluttered.
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